Archaeological proof of Christ's AD 70 bodily return

[3 Resurrections]

So,if the second coming has already occurred, what's next after all these many centuries?

I firmly believe that Scripture lays out a pattern of no less and no more than seven millennial ages for fallen mankind until the final judgment with its third resurrection event. Since we are given the exact year when the fourth millennium ended (the Rev. 20 millennium which ended in AD 33 with the "First resurrection" of Christ and the resurrected Matt. 27:52-53 saints), that means we at present are coming up on the close of the sixth millennium of fallen mankind's history. It will transition over to the 7th millennium, beginning in 2033. If you want to give it a nickname, this year will be "God's Y2K" - exactly 2,000 years since His bodily resurrection in AD 33.

The number "seven" in Scripture is usually associated with fallow, Sabbath periods of imposed rest, for the good of humans and beasts, as well as the viability of the dirt itself under our feet. Just how God will impose a rest period during this approaching 7th millennium for humanity remains to be seen. I do note that it's reported that we are currently about three years into a lengthy period of reduced sunspot activity, which means another cycle of a mini ice age coming up. That will bring slightly reduced crop yields, as has happened before in previous cycles. God can bring "rest" by any means whatever - whether in the aftermath of catastrophes, or by a vast increase in evangelistic growth among the nations. All I know is that His "rock" kingdom is promised to increase in size until it becomes a "great mountain" that will fill the whole world with its effects.

God has poured out blessings exponentially on this sixth millennium, ever since history transitioned out of the Dark Ages until now. You name it, we have been given blessings without number during this sixth millennium. The number six is associated in Scripture with a double blessing, in order to carry over enough surplus provisions for a 7th fallow, Sabbath period - which I believe is rapidly approaching with the coming transition to the 7th millennium in 2033.

 

[WPM]

Thanks for taking the time to create this thread. I can’t argue against anything you said.

I guess unless someone can produce reasonable evidence of human remains of a believer who died before 70AD, then, as you point out, the lack of physical human remains points us in the direction of there being a resurrection.

What nonsense. This is delusional.

 

[WPM]

By now I am used to ad hominem attacks such as this one, which do not at all address the evidence brought forth. It's an empty debate tactic.

You are a heretic.

 

[David in NJ]

I have concentrated the better part of 13 years to studying and praying about the subject of the resurrection as presented in Scripture. Hence my username of "3 Resurrections".

i have been praying, studying and receiving from the LORD Jesus Christ for the past 40 years on the subject of Truth.

God does not contradict Himself, neither has HE changed His mind on His Second Coming and the First Resurrection

 

[PinSeeker]

...It will transition over to the 7th millennium, beginning in 2033...

Ohhhhh... boy. <smile> No, God's millennium, this present age, will come to a close when His Israel is complete. Then Jesus will return, and in short order will win the final victory, execute the final Judgment, and finally usher in the Kingdom in its fullness... and earth and heaven will be one, as the old hymn goes. All things will be made new, and eternity will begin... and have no end.

Grace and peace to you, 3R.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Where is the verse, the epistle, whereby John said.....>"I saw the Lord, He is so beautiful, He came back just like He said"..

The "disciple whom Jesus loved" was Lazarus. Lazarus was bodily resurrected to an immortal and incorruptible condition by Christ in the gospel attributed to John. Nobody dies twice, according to Hebrews 9:27. Not Lazarus, or anybody else bodily resurrected in Scripture. This beloved disciple Lazarus / John Eleazar "tarried" on earth until Christ's bodily return in AD 70, (as Christ predicted) at which time he and all the rest of the bodily-resurrected saints were caught up together to meet the Lord in the air, and returned to heaven with Him. The resurrected author of Revelation left this planet in AD 70 at Christ's second coming return. He wasn't on earth to write a single line to anyone after that.

"John surnamed Mark", the young man who was sister's son to Barnabas, continued to live and serve in the early church AFTER AD 70. NONE of the Christians were eye-witnesses of Jesus's second coming return because they obeyed His warning to leave Judea and Jerusalem and "flee to the mountains" when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies, to avoid the plagues that were poured out on Judea and Jerusalem in particular in the "days of vengeance" from AD 66 until AD 70.

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

Well, did you notice that Christ gave His mother Mary into the keeping of the beloved disciple at the crucifixion site, and that the disciple took her "that same hour" into his own home?

No, I didn't. I mean, why would I notice something that the Bible does not say. You have conveniently added the word "same" while altering the meaning of the text.

Here. Try these on for size:

New International Version
and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

New Living Translation
And he said to this disciple, “Here is your mother.” And from then on this disciple took her into his home.

English Standard Version
Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

Berean Standard Bible
Then He said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” So from that hour, this disciple took her into his home.

Berean Literal Bible
Then He says to the disciple, "Behold, your mother." And from that hour the disciple took her to the own.

King James Bible
Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

New King James Version
Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.

New American Standard Bible
Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her into his own household.

NASB 1995
Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.

NASB 1977
Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her into his own household.

Legacy Standard Bible
Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his home.

Amplified Bible
Then He said to the disciple (John), “Look! [here is] your mother [protect and provide for her]!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own home.

Christian Standard Bible
Then he said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then He said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.

American Standard Version
Then saith he to the disciple, Behold, thy mother! And from that hour the disciple took her unto his own home.

Contemporary English Version
Then he said to the disciple, "She is now your mother." From then on, that disciple took her into his own home.

English Revised Version
Then saith he to the disciple, Behold, thy mother! And from that hour the disciple took her unto his own home.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Then he said to the disciple, "Look, here's your mother!" From that time on she lived with that disciple in his home.

Good News Translation
Then he said to the disciple, "She is your mother." From that time the disciple took her to live in his home.

International Standard Version
Then he told the disciple, "Here is your mother." And from that hour the disciple took her into his own home.

NET Bible
He then said to his disciple, "Look, here is your mother!" From that very time the disciple took her into his own home.

New Heart English Bible
Then he said to the disciple, "Look, your mother." From that hour, the disciple took her to his own home.

Webster's Bible Translation
Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.

Weymouth New Testament
Then He said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that time the disciple received her into his own home.
Majority Text Translations

Majority Standard Bible
Then He said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” So from that hour, this disciple took her into his home.

World English Bible
Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour, the disciple took her to his own home.
Literal Translations

Literal Standard Version
afterward He says to the disciple, “Behold, your mother”; and from that hour the disciple took her to his own [home].

Berean Literal Bible
Then He says to the disciple, "Behold, your mother." And from that hour the disciple took her to the own.

Young's Literal Translation
afterward he saith to the disciple, 'Lo, thy mother;' and from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

Smith's Literal Translation
Then says he to the disciple, Behold thy mother And from that hour the disciple took her to his own.
Catholic Translations

Douay-Rheims Bible
After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.

Catholic Public Domain Version
Next, he said to the disciple, “Behold your mother.” And from that hour, the disciple accepted her as his own.

New American Bible
Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.

New Revised Standard Version
Then he said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his own home.
Translations from Aramaic

Lamsa Bible
Then he said to the disciple, Behold your mother! And from that very hour the disciple took her with him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
He said to that disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour that disciple received her to himself.
NT Translations

Anderson New Testament
Then he said to the disciple: Behold your mother. And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.

Godbey New Testament
Then He says to the disciple, Behold, thy mother. And from that hour that disciple received her into his own home.

Haweis New Testament
Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour the disciple took her unto his own home.

Mace New Testament
then he said to the disciple, behold thy mother, and from that time the disciple took her to his own home.

Weymouth New Testament
Then He said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that time the disciple received her into his own home.

Worrell New Testament
Then saith He to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her into his own home.

Worsley New Testament
and then saith to the disciple, Behold thy mother. And from that hour the same disciple took her to his own home.

What the Bible actually says is that this disciple took her FROM THAT HOUR, or FROM THEN ON, or FROM THAT TIME, or FROM THAT VERY TIME, or FROM THAT VERY HOUR. This does not necessitate that they arrived at his home within one hour of Jesus' words.

Anyhow, are you ready to prove that Lazarus was at the Last Supper?

Jhn 13:23
Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

This ought to be good...

 

[3 Resurrections]

Ohhhhh... boy. <smile> No, God's millennium, this present age, will come to a close when His Israel is complete.

The Rev. 20 millennium is a hotly debated subject, for certain. But Scripture gives us the literal "expiration" date for this particular millennium. It ended with the "First resurrection", when a "remnant of the dead" came to life again. That "remnant" who were "blessed and holy" participants in that event were the many Matthew 27:52-53 saints which came out of their graves in AD 33 on the same day as "Christ the FIRST-fruits". The "FIRST-fruits" WAS the "FIRST resurrection" event, which ended that Rev. 20 millennium. It's long past.

Satan was cast out of heaven down to earth on Christ's resurrection day, and John 12:12 gave the believers a warning that the Devil had already come down unto them in great wrath, knowing he had but a "short time". That "short time" of Satan's release was the same as the "little season" when Satan was released at the end of the Rev. 20 millennium. In other words, the literal thousand year millennium of Rev. 20 had already "expired" and was "finished" even before John put pen to parchment in AD 59 / 60.

 

[3 Resurrections]

What the Bible actually says is that this disciple took her FROM THAT HOUR, or FROM THEN ON, or FROM THAT TIME, or FROM THAT VERY TIME, or FROM THAT VERY HOUR. This does not necessitate that they arrived at his home within one hour of Jesus' words.

Sure it does. Lazarus' home in Bethany was where he took her to within that hour. Mary did not return to Galilee with the son of Zebedee to his home far distant from Jerusalem.

Christ had promised that John the son of Zebedee and his brother James would drink from the same cup that He drank from. In other words, they would suffer a martyr's death. James was early on slain by Herod's sword in the book of Acts. John his brother would follow afterward. Why would Jesus consign the care of His mother into the hands of a man who would shortly be slain? It only stands to reason that Jesus put the care of His own mother into the hands of a man who would never die again, get injured, get sick, starve, or commit a sin ever again. All the features of a glorified resurrected person were available for Lazarus to use in caring for Christ's mother until her death. You couldn't ask for a better "retirement" package.

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

Sure it does. Lazarus' home in Bethany was where he took her to within that hour. Mary did not return to Galilee with the son of Zebedee to his home far distant from Jerusalem.

Christ had promised that John the son of Zebedee and his brother James would drink from the same cup that He drank from. In other words, they would suffer a martyr's death. James was early on slain by Herod's sword in the book of Acts. John his brother would follow afterward. Why would Jesus consign the care of His mother into the hands of a man who would shortly be slain? It only stands to reason that Jesus put the care of His own mother into the hands of a man who would never die again get injured, get sick, starve, or commit a sin ever again. All the features of a glorified resurrected person were available for Lazarus to use in caring for Christ's mother until her death. You couldn't ask for a better "retirement" package.

Blah. blah, blah.

Where is your proof that Lazarus was at the Last Supper?

Psst. None exists BECAUSE HE WAS NOT THERE.

 

[3 Resurrections]

You are a heretic.

More ad hominem, without addressing the particulars of anything I have said by particular Scripture arguments to counter my specific points. I have lived for years with a spouse which considers me a heretic, also without addressing anything I say with particular Scripture arguments to counter my specific points. No discussion whatever. I'm used to this type of attack by now. It doesn't mean anything to me.

 

[Behold]

The "disciple whom Jesus loved" was Lazarus.

Read the account of the Last Supper.
The Disciple who put His head on Jesus's Chest, is the Disciple whom Jesus loved.

NONE of the Christians were eye-witnesses of Jesus's second coming return because they obeyed His warning to leave Judea and Jerusalem and "flee to the mountains"

Peter went to Rome.
The other 10 apostles went all over the place.

Now, had Jesus Returned, then John would have told you., as He only had 30 YRS - 1.......to REPORT IT.
IN Fact the 2nd Coming of Jesus would have made the History Books at the time.
He didnt make the AD70 history books and John never wrote a LETTER to any church For 30 yrs after AD70, because Jesus has not returned yet.

"but Behold......John probably never knew it"...

Uh huh.

So, You can believe that this "Jesus has returned" Information would have been widely known.
Common sense tells us this......as what could be more obvious.
Preterism is just one more "doctrine of Devils"...that deceives people who are easily deceived... Hebrews 13:9 (KJV).

 

[3 Resurrections]

Where is your proof that Lazarus was at the Last Supper?

Psst. None exists BECAUSE HE WAS NOT THERE.

Lazarus was the "disciple whom Jesus loved" leaning on Jesus's breast at the Last Supper. Lazarus was widely known among Christ's followers as "He whom thou lovest".

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

Then you are calling Christ Jesus a liar in Matthew 16:27-28 when He promised that He would return in the glory of His Father with the angels, to give rewards to everyone according to their works, and while some of those standing in front of Him at that moment were still remaining alive to see that happen. I believe Jesus - not how I was taught from infancy. And I am perfectly willing to be considered a fool for Christ's sake. I'm in good company.

Jesus promised no such thing, so you are the liar, and not me. This is what Jesus actually said:

"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." (Mat. 16:27-28)

It's amazing (and horrifying) how you love to change the words of Jesus to support your heresy. Whereas you erroneously claim that Jesus told some of those standing in front of him at that moment that they would remain alive to see the above happen, in reality, Jesus said that there were some standing there who would not taste of death until they saw him coming in his kingdom. Your problem is that you don't understand what the Bible means when it talks about "tasting death."

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death." (John 8:51-52)

Jesus said that those who keep his sayings "shall never see death" or "shall never taste of death." He could not have been talking about physical death because his followers have been physically dying for thousands of years.

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." (Heb. 2:9)

Jesus has "tasted death for every man" in that he bore the punishment for our sins that will lead to "the second death" (Rev. 2:11, 20:6, 14, 21:8) unless they are atoned for. Unfortunately, many will reject Christ's atoning sacrifice on their behalves, and they will ultimately "taste of" this "second death" after Christ returns. At the same time,, no Christian will ever "taste death" in this manner because Jesus already bore the punishment for our sins that leads to it.

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

Lazarus was the "disciple whom Jesus loved" leaning on Jesus's breast at the Last Supper. Lazarus was widely known among Christ's followers as "He whom thou lovest".

Keep repeating that fantasy to yourself.

Here is who was at the Last Supper with Jesus:

"Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve." (Mat. 26:20)

"And in the evening he cometh with the twelve." (Mark 14:17)

"And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him." (Luke 22:14)

Your turn.

Show me/us, IN SCRIPTURE, where Lazarus was at the Last Supper.

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

It only stands to reason that Jesus put the care of His own mother into the hands of a man who would never die again get injured, get sick, starve, or commit a sin ever again.

Huh?

Are you suggesting that Lazarus never died again?

The chief priests wanted to kill him, and you have him at the crucifixion site in your fantasy.

"Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead. But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus." (John 12:9-11)

 

[grafted branch]

What nonsense. This is delusional.

Statement A) There is no physical evidence of alien life from outer space on this planet.

Statement B) There is no physical evidence of dead believers, who died before 70AD, on this planet.

Tell me, would I be delusional if I didn’t believe in space aliens? Where is the archaeological evidence that can show how this thread is nonsense?

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

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[pandaflower]

Lazarus was the "disciple whom Jesus loved" leaning on Jesus's breast at the Last Supper. Lazarus was widely known among Christ's followers as "He whom thou lovest".

This has been debated for years.

John is usually the one referred to as the disciple Jesus loved.

However, Lazarus , being the cousin of Jesus, is often thought to be the disciple Jesus loved.

The biblical evidence – The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved

thedisciplewhomjesusloved.com

Then there are others who think the disciple Jesus loved was Mary of Magdala.

And further, in the story of the wedding at Cana it is believed that was his wedding and marriage to the Magdaline.

Which is why Mary,the mother of Jesus, told him the wedding feast had run out of wine.

Wine in 1st century was kept in wineskins,or clay jars.

Stone jars were a luxury item only the rich could afford.
Or,bring Jesus was a carpenter he also was a Tekton. From the Greek language and translated as craftsman or worker.

The Forgotten Jesus part 2: Was Jesus a Carpenter or a Stonemason? - Lifeway Leadership

by Robby Galatty For centuries, Western Christians have associated Joseph, Jesus’s earthly father, with carpentry. For many of us, we read children’s Bibles that show him teaching young Jesus how to saw, hammer nails, and create wooden joints. But was this the type of work that Jesus was engaged...

leadership.lifeway.com

The majority of homes in Israel, as noted by Hebraic scholar James W. Fleming, are constructed with stone. Fleming explains: “Jesus and Joseph would have formed and made nine out of ten projects from stone either by chiseling or carving the stone or stacking building blocks.”The Forgotten Jesus part 2: Was Jesus a Carpenter or a Stonemason? - Lifeway Leadership Does this mean that Jesus never worked with wood? While we can’t say conclusively one way or the other, the fact is that a man attempting to make a living as a wood carpenter would have had a challenging time because trees were, and still are, relatively scarce in that region.


The Last Supper

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

This has been debated for years.

The debate is over...unless somebody can prove, from scripture, that anybody other than Jesus and the twelve apostles were present at the Last Supper.

"Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved." (John 13:23)

Any takers?