Are God’s CHOSEN living up to His expectations?

[soul man]

War may be the nature of Ishmael but the Old Testament is full of verses where the Lord instructed the Israelite's to love the stranger as they love thyself. There is a long series of verses telling them how to accomplish this. If you ask I would be happy to provide them.

As for war, during my research of the Old Testament I found no references where God told them to go to war. The act of war is contrary to the teachings of God as retold throughout the Old Testament. There may be other folks lingering in the Old Testament who called for war but those words were and remain contrary to the Lord's teachings.

in my view of things

I totally agree it would be nice to see some love come from a people that are chose by God.
I agree with your whole post, I was just stating a fact of the culture of the region, it has been going on since creation.

 

[soul man]

You are wrong, war is not the nature of Ishmael. It was Moses who whipped out entire tribes, not Ishmael.

Moses wiped out almost all non-Ishmaelite Arabs​

Ishmael

According to the Book of Genesis, Ishmaelites (Arabic: Bani Isma'il, Hebrew: Bnai Yishma'el) are the descendants of Ishmael, the elder son of Abraham and the descendants of the twelve sons and princes of Ishmael.

In the Quran; "God has gifted all of Ishmael, Elisha, Jonah and Lot a favour above the nations".[1] "With some of their forefathers and their offspring and their brethren; and We chose them and guided them unto a straight path".[2]

After Abraham pleaded with God for Ishmael to live under his blessing, Genesis 17:20 states, "But as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: behold I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve rulers shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation."

Maqrizi says that Moses wiped out almost all non-Ishmaelite Arabs such as Amaleq and Midianites,[17] and by the time of Muhammad all Arabs were descendants of Ishmael according to historians Hisham Ibn Al-Kalbi and al-Sharqi who believed that all Arabs were descendents of Ishmael including the Qahtanites.[18]

Ishmaelism in this more limited definition holds that Ishmael was both an important religious figure and eponymous ancestor for some of the Arabs of western Arabia.[28] Prominence is given in Arab genealogical accounts to the first two of Ishmael's twelve sons, Nebaioth (Arabic: نبيت‎, Nabīt) and Qedar (Arabic: قيدار‎, Qaydār), who are also prominently featured in the Genesis account.[28] It is likely that they and their tribes lived in northwestern Arabia and were historically the most important of the twelve Ishmaelite tribes.[28]

It is believed that the first person to speak Arabic clearly was Ishmael from Greek literature sources: "Isma’il grew up among the Jurhum tribe, learning the pure Arabic tongue from them though the Jurhum spoke an ancient form of Aramaic. When grown up he successively married two ladies from the Jurhum tribe, the second wife being the daughter of Mudad ibn ‘Amr, leader of the Jurhum tribe. Isma'il could speak only ancient Egyptian and Hebrew of his parents before his marriage into the Jurhum tribe whence he spoke a language derived from all three languages which sounded better than all three and became God's language."[29]​

soul man, thanks for bring this up. Until now I did not know Ishmael, (who was an Arab); now I do
again, thanks

Ishmael was fit into the plan of of God, he was not the promise child he was of the bond servant. Never said he was evil, look at their problems and try to reconcile what goes on in that part of the world, you will be hard pressed to make a gospel out of it, which seems to be the case. God will use all things for His glory, look at our own lives as Christians. There was no glory in humanity until the cross of salvation, He made it work in the OT it was not His plan, humanity failed and still fails. The difference now is "we have a cross."

 

[soul man]

"Personally, I would like to see the Israeli people change their ways by embracing the stranger (Palestinian) and treat them as one of their own just as the Lord instructed them to do. I truly believe this “example” would create a wave of peace across the middle east."

Maybe, at least for a short while (or to appear to rather seem peaceful)

"Their government's may sign some kind of treaty..."

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3

Peace and blessings
-nancy

Yes, I too as well, I believe it will happen according to Thessalonians, "peace and safety and then the end comes." It is the perfect set-up for an anti-Christ to come on the scene.

 

[Nancy]

Yes, I too as well, I believe it will happen according to Thessalonians, "peace and safety and then the end comes." It is the perfect set-up for an anti-Christ to come on the scene.

Yes! I see it that way too! :)
And...can't wait for it all to take place.

 

[soul man]

Yes! I see it that way too! :)
And...can't wait for it all to take place.

I wouldn't doubt if it happens in out life time

 

[Nancy]

I wouldn't doubt if it happens in out life time

Yes, very possible. I just have to read 2 Tim:3 to see it.

3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. <---Is not all of this going on more than ever? It get's worse and worse with the lost. We as The Church truly need to get on our knees and lift up fervent prayer to God Almighty, now more than ever.

 

[tooldtocare]

17 "And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the Lord: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that were sent. "

Sadly, the above is shocking similar to the following:

Exo 12:21 KJV) Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.

(Exo 12:26 KJV) And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?

(Exo 12:27 KJV) That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.

(Exo 12:28 KJV) And the children of Israel went away, and did as the LORD had commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they.

(Exo 12:29) And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that {was} in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

(Exo 12:30 KJV) And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.

The eight-day festival of Passover is celebrated in the early spring, from the 15th through the 22nd of the Hebrew month of Nissan, April 10–18, 2017.

Whomever would celebrate the murder of men, women and children do not do this for the Lords' sake, they do it for the Devil that they worship day in and day out
ByGrace, of all the posters here, I could not have guessed that you would be the one to post death on this internet?
no animosity intended or implied

 

[Dcopymope]

Why I am here

I have a personal attachment to the Old Testament and the verses contained therein. This includes the verses where the Lord talked directly to the Israelite people. In this one-way discussion the Lord laid out directives for them to follow and the blessing they would get if they followed His commandments. I took these directives and compared them to historical events and found them wanting. Personally, I would like to see the Israeli people change their ways by embracing the stranger (Palestinian) and treat them as one of their own just as the Lord instructed them to do. I truly believe this “example” would create a wave of peace across the middle east.

This is the biggest reason I am here; but there are others

Why are you here-?

Ok, please answer this forums topic--

Are God’s CHOSEN living up to His expectations?​

......"Gods chosen"? You mean the Europeans currently occupying Israel, who say they are the descendants of the original Israelite's but are not? This is why I can't really answer your question...since the real history of Israels "chosen" have been hijacked..sorry.

 

[soul man]

Sadly, the above is shocking similar to the following:

Exo 12:21 KJV) Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.

(Exo 12:26 KJV) And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?

(Exo 12:27 KJV) That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.

(Exo 12:28 KJV) And the children of Israel went away, and did as the LORD had commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they.

(Exo 12:29) And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that {was} in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

(Exo 12:30 KJV) And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.

The eight-day festival of Passover is celebrated in the early spring, from the 15th through the 22nd of the Hebrew month of Nissan, April 10–18, 2017.

Whomever would celebrate the murder of men, women and children do not do this for the Lords' sake, they do it for the Devil that they worship day in and day out
ByGrace, of all the posters here, I could not have guessed that you would be the one to post death on this internet?
no animosity intended or implied

I think you do understand the Old Testament is not written to christians. The OT is written "after the beginning" of all things created. The Christian message is a "before the beginning" message, Ephesians 1:4.

 

[Nancy]

Yes, I too as well, I believe it will happen according to Thessalonians, "peace and safety and then the end comes." It is the perfect set-up for an anti-Christ to come on the scene.

BTW Soulman-the original post you have here was not mine...it was one I commented on.. have a blessed day!

 

[tooldtocare]

I think you do understand the Old Testament is not written to christians. The OT is written "after the beginning" of all things created. The Christian message is a "before the beginning" message,

You began responding to this thread somewhere close to the end. It is you who doesn't understand.

Post No. 1:
I have a personal attachment to the Old Testament and the verses contained therein. This includes the verses where the Lord talked directly to the Israelite people. In this one-way discussion the Lord laid out directives for them to follow and the blessing they would get if they followed His commandments. I took these directives and compared them to historical events and found them wanting. Personally, I would like to see the Israeli people change their ways by embracing the stranger (Palestinian) and treat them as one of their own just as the Lord instructed them to do. I truly believe this “example” would create a wave of peace across the middle east.

This is the biggest reason I am here; but there are others

Why are you here-?