Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

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Everyone knows what an image is. Not the real thing. If you shoot the image in the
mirror, you do away with the image, not the real thing.

The "exact representation" spoken of by Heb 1:3 is neither a reflection nor a
photograph, nor a petro glyph, nor a stone monument. The Greek word
pertains to copies and duplicates; which in the Son's case, is a sentient
being rather than an inanimate object.

• Col 2:9 . . It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells
bodily.

The Greek word for "divine quality" is theóteetos which means: divinity

Seeing as how theóteetos is modified by the Greek definite article "teés"
then what we're looking at here in Col 2:9 isn't nondescript divinity, rather
the divinity. In other words: we're looking at all the fullness of Jehovah's
divinity.

The Son then, is a living replica of his Father, i.e. were the two stood side
by side, so to speak, you would not be able to tell which was which because
they are so identical.
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The passages below are paraphrased in harmony with the NWT's translation
of Colossians 1:16-17

» John 1:1-3 . . In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All other
things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one
other thing came into existence.

» Genesis 1:1 . . In the beginning, a god created the heavens and the earth.

» Hebrews 3:4 . . Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he
that constructed all things is a god.

I deliberately revised the text of those passages to illustrate how it looks to
relegate the Word to the status of a tin God.

The Greek translated "Word" pertains to speech; so we could paraphrase
Genesis 1:3 like this:

"And the Word proceeded to say: Let light come to be."

In order to comply with the Watchtower Society's teachings related to the
creation story, we would have to be constantly making mental word
substitutions when ever and where ever "God" appeared in order to be
consistent with the NWT's rendering of John 1:1-3, especially the
creation of human life.

» Genesis 2:7 . . And the Word went on to say: Let us make man in our
image, according to our likeness

And the sabbath too.

» Genesis 1:31 . . After that the Word saw everything he had made and,
look! it was very good. And there came to be evening and there came to be
morning, a sixth day.

» Genesis 1:2-3 . .Thus the heavens and the earth and all their army came
to their completion. And by the seventh day the Word came to the
completion of his work that he had made, and he proceeded to rest on the
seventh day from all his work that he had made. And the Word proceeded to
bless the seventh day and make it sacred, because on it he has been resting
from all his work that the Word has created for the purpose of making.

Now; the NWT's translation of Genesis 2:4 credits Jehovah God with the
creation of the heavens and the earth; when all along it was actually the tin
God depicted in its translation of John 1:1-3
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[Ronald Nolette]

On sundays we get a local needs talk, then the watchtower study. Worldwide the JW,s get the same spiritual feeding in over 800 languages by using the watchtower. Keeps us unified in thought-1Cor 1:10.

Just like the RCC people! INdoctrinated and mind numbed! Other than Rome and the Watchtower there are no bible believing churches where every assembly across the globe reads the same materials every Sunday.

All the believing churches I know speak just from Scripture. Not from a magazine from a central location. the church doesn't need the Watchtower forced fed unification. Believers are unified in the spirit- even if we are not unified in everypoint. And there is a huge difference between being unified and being in unity.

 

[Keiw]

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The "exact representation" spoken of by Heb 1:3 is neither a reflection nor a
photograph, nor a petro glyph, nor a stone monument. The Greek word
pertains to copies and duplicates; which in the Son's case, is a sentient
being rather than an inanimate object.

• Col 2:9 . . It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells
bodily.

The Greek word for "divine quality" is theóteetos which means: divinity

Seeing as how theóteetos is modified by the Greek definite article "teés"
then what we're looking at here in Col 2:9 isn't nondescript divinity, rather
the divinity. In other words: we're looking at all the fullness of Jehovah's
divinity.

The Son then, is a living replica of his Father, i.e. were the two stood side
by side, so to speak, you would not be able to tell which was which because
they are so identical.
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Yes the exact representation. He lived 24/7 365 to do his Fathers will-John 5:30-- He showed the world Gods loving side, At Armageddon he will show the world the God of armies side, they wont like that side.

 

[Keiw]

Just like the RCC people! INdoctrinated and mind numbed! Other than Rome and the Watchtower there are no bible believing churches where every assembly across the globe reads the same materials every Sunday.

All the believing churches I know speak just from Scripture. Not from a magazine from a central location. the church doesn't need the Watchtower forced fed unification. Believers are unified in the spirit- even if we are not unified in everypoint. And there is a huge difference between being unified and being in unity.

Not 1 church listens to Jesus, they dont even know what he actually teaches. No members of the church do. Here is a super important teaching from Jesus every true follower already knows by heart= Matt 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)-- Trinity religions teach to seek Jesus righteousness, Jesus teaches to seek Jehovahs righteousness--All can see clearly who listens to Jesus--When ones teachers do not match Jesus teachings, the best avenue is to RUN FROM THEM.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not 1 church listens to Jesus, they dont even know what he actually teaches. No members of the church do. Here is a super important teaching from Jesus every true follower already knows by heart= Matt 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)-- Trinity religions teach to seek Jesus righteousness, Jesus teaches to seek Jehovahs righteousness--All can see clearly who listens to Jesus--When ones teachers do not match Jesus teachings, the best avenue is to RUN FROM THEM.

wow diviniation condemns you!

You have gone to every single church and proven that nonne of them listen???? Wow you must be speedier than the Flash!

And I agree when ones teachers do not match Jesus teachiongs- you should flee from that organization.

That is why I encourage people in dead churches to leave. and I encourage all JW's to flee that fa;lse teacher organization! What is so generous of the Watchtower is they left a huge huge paper trail of why they are false teachers!

 

[Keiw]

wow diviniation condemns you!

You have gone to every single church and proven that nonne of them listen???? Wow you must be speedier than the Flash!

And I agree when ones teachers do not match Jesus teachiongs- you should flee from that organization.

That is why I encourage people in dead churches to leave. and I encourage all JW's to flee that fa;lse teacher organization! What is so generous of the Watchtower is they left a huge huge paper trail of why they are false teachers!

They did make errors, every religion on earth has errors. The JW,s proved truth is what they want by correcting their errors, the trinity religions major teachings are all error.
1) there is no trinity God
2) There is no literal eternal suffering
3) The holy spirit is not a living being.

 

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Yes the exact representation. He lived 24/7 365 to do his Fathers will-John 5:30

The Greek word located in Heb 1:3 doesn't pertain to piety, nor to imitators,
nor to ambassadors, nor to servants. It pertains to precision copies and
duplicates. It's a very unique word found nowhere else in the entire New
Testament.

Think about it: God's son committed not one single sin his entire lifetime of
30+ years; not one. There was never once an incident in all that time when
God was disappointed with His son's performance. No man had ever been
100% perfect, and no man since.

• Mark 10:18 . .Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one: God.
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Is there a meaningful difference between Spirit birth (John 3:3-8) and Spirit
baptism (1Cor 12:13) and need John Que and Jane Doe JWs be concerned?
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[Ronald Nolette]

They did make errors, every religion on earth has errors. The JW,s proved truth is what they want by correcting their errors, the trinity religions major teachings are all error.
1) there is no trinity God
2) There is no literal eternal suffering
3) The holy spirit is not a living being.

Says you rindoctrinated mind filled with watchtower stuff. Teh bible shows very different.

And I agree with you- the Watchtower shows truth is what THEY want it to be and not what is actually truth!

 

[Keiw]

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The Greek word located in Heb 1:3 doesn't pertain to piety, nor to imitators,
nor to ambassadors, nor to servants. It pertains to precision copies and
duplicates. It's a very unique word found nowhere else in the entire New
Testament.

Think about it: God's son committed not one single sin his entire lifetime of
30+ years; not one. There was never once an incident in all that time when
God was disappointed with His son's performance. No man had ever been
100% perfect, and no man since.

• Mark 10:18 . .Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one: God.
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You dont listen to Hebrews-Verse 4 assures if Jesus didnt get a name above other names, he was equal to the angels.

 

[Keiw]

Says you rindoctrinated mind filled with watchtower stuff. Teh bible shows very different.

And I agree with you- the Watchtower shows truth is what THEY want it to be and not what is actually truth!

You will find out as God said in Ezekial 20x-- about then and these last days--They will have to know-i am YHWH(Jehovah)

 

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the Watchtower shows truth is what THEY want it to be and not what is actually truth!

Religion and Politics tend to be quicksands of subjective truth. Take for
example Dr. Anthony Fauci's mantra "Follow The Science". Well; of course
Fauci meant his science alone rather than all science. These past two years,
any and all data disproving and/or dissenting with the good doctor's science
has been consistently demonized as misinformation.

The same demonization goes on all the time in hierarchical forms of religion;
especially cults. Not long ago I heard tell of the experiences of a newbie in
Scientology. He was curious about Christianity so took the initiative to look
into it. During an E-meter session, what he did came out. The auditor was
baffled why anyone would look into Christianity because he was confident
that L.Ron Hubbard's association has the truth and there's no need to look
elsewhere.
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.Is there a meaningful difference between Spirit birth (John 3:3-8) and Spirit baptism
(1Cor 12:13) and need John Que and Jane Doe JWs be concerned?

From p.56, of Reasoning From The Scriptures, under the heading: Who is
baptized with holy spirit? comes the excerpt below.
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"To you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be
holy ones" (1Cor 1:2)

"For truly by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or
Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink one spirit."
(1Cor 12:13)

"Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John
3:5)

A person is "born from spirit" at the time with his baptism with that spirit.
Luke 12:32 shows that only a "little flock" have that privilege. See
Revelation 14:1-3
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John Que and Jane Doe rank and file JWs need to be very concerned about
the ramifications of that teaching because it's saying that only those who've
undergone both the spirit birth and the spirit baptism are in union with Christ
Jesus. That's verified by 1John 2:27. Well; the only other option for the rank
and file is union with the flesh; which according to Romans 8:1-9 is a really
bad situation.

1» They are in grave danger of condemnation.

2» They are in the grip of death.

3» They are at odds with God.

4» They cannot please God.

NOTE: I don't recommend discussing this issue with rank and file JWs
because according to 1Cor 2:10-16 they very likely won't be persuaded.
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[Ronald Nolette]

You will find out as God said in Ezekial 20x-- about then and these last days--They will have to know-i am YHWH(Jehovah)

I agree! MOst people know God the Father is God.

But interestingly enough, the majority of people who call themselves evangelicals do not believe Jesus is God!

In all the world, it is only followers of Jesus Christ and believe th eBible is the literal word of God given to ALL mankind, that believe in the deity of Jesus.

 

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Religion and Politics tend to be quicksands of subjective truth. Take for
example Dr. Anthony Fauci's mantra "Follow The Science". Well; of course
Fauci meant his science alone rather than all science. These past two years,
any and all data disproving and/or dissenting with the good doctor's science
has been consistently demonized as misinformation.

The same demonization goes on all the time in hierarchical forms of religion;
especially cults. Not long ago I heard tell of the experiences of a newbie in
Scientology. He was curious about Christianity so took the initiative to look
into it. During an E-meter session, what he did came out. The auditor was
baffled why anyone would look into Christianity because he was confident
that L.Ron Hubbard's association has the truth and there's no need to look
elsewhere.
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Yes but only Jesus made absolute claims! All other beliefs other than belief in the Word of God as inspired teach of second chances in eternity.

Only Jesus claimed to be teh only way truth and life to the Father!

 

[Triumph1300]

They did make errors, every religion on earth has errors. The JW,s proved truth is what they want by correcting their errors, the trinity religions major teachings are all error.
1) there is no trinity God
2) There is no literal eternal suffering
3) The holy spirit is not a living being.

There you have it.
This sounds exactly like something satan would say.

 

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Jesus made absolute claims!

Jesus claimed to be teh only way truth and life to the Father!

In the opinions of Wokes and Progressives: Jesus was an extreme right-wing
intolerant bigot, and a purveyor of misinformation.
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[Ronald Nolette]

They did make errors, every religion on earth has errors. The JW,s proved truth is what they want by correcting their errors, the trinity religions major teachings are all error.
1) there is no trinity God
2) There is no literal eternal suffering
3) The holy spirit is not a living being.

Well those are the biblical truths. UNless of course you reinterpret the bible to suit your agenda.

But those are the more minor of false teachings the Watchtower holds to.

The big one that sends all JW's to the lake of fire to suffer for all eternity is the fact they teach you Jesus did not rise from the daed!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

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In the opinions of Wokes and Progressives: Jesus was an extreme right-wing
intolerant bigot, and a purveyor of misinformation.
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Doesn't matter what they think- Who do they think they are anyway? they think they can condemn God the Son?

I hope they learn before death. for if they die thinking that. They will bow before the one they call an intolerable bigot and acknowledge Him as Lord before being cast into the lake of fire.