Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

[Wrangler]

I might start a thread to examine some of the more important ones

Excellent idea!

 

[Wrangler]

Do you grasp how ridiculous your doctrine is?

The fully indoctrinated never realize how ridiculous what they're indoctrinated to accept.

 

[Wrangler]

LOL....you cannot see how this applies to your own teachers?
What JW's do is to try and tell the truth so that honest hearted people can see through the devil's counterfeit.
Look at Christendom as a whole and tell me honestly that Christ is teaching them......what a joke!

I do not think they do see how it applies to their own teachers. The log in their eye ...

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No sorry, those who chose to question the doctrines of Christendom carefully searched the scriptures to see if Christendom's doctrines were scripturally sound, and found to their amazement that NONE of them originated from the Bible but were grafted in later, over ambiguous verses which were never intended to bear the meaning that "the church" gave to them.

Do you have any idea how much of what you accept as truth, is nothing of the sort.....?

I might start a thread to examine some of the more important ones...

that is what you choose to believe- even the supposed "faithful and discreet slave class" said by searching the scriptures, people will come to teh doctrines of whast they call "apostate christendom".

Please do start a thread. I would like to see which ones you define as the more important to see if they really are more important or just peculiar to particular sects.

So are you saying that the bread IS Jesus' body....and the wine IS Jesus' blood????
For a Jew that would break God's law. At the time of his death, he only preached to his fellow Jews. Drinking blood was an offense punishable by death. Eating human flesh is right up there on the "eeeewe" scale as well. How disgusting!
Since the bread and wine are clearly symbols of his sacrifice...."means" is the only appropriate translation....."IS" makes it an abomination.

No I am not. I am following the literal /.historical/grammatical methos of knowing Scripture and seeing the who what where when why and hows of grammar.

Jesus was expalining a particulat piece of bread and a certain cup of wine at teh passover meal. As all parts of the meal are symbolic to represent certain things, Jesus was merel;y explaining the middle pita, and the fourth cup of wine and telling them what they stood for!

 

[marks]

And that is what makes this so so so sad!

Yes!

And as I read this thread . . . like so many others . . . I could spend my entire day deconstructing the logical fallacies that I see in so many posts. I've even do that sometimes on particularly slow days. The only benefit I could see was just filling empty hours, and giving myself some mental stimulation. Those who don't see it, still don't, and the rest do.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If Jesus is God, why would he need the holy spirit to teach him anything? God is all knowing (omniscient) so how could Jesus need to be taught by his other self, something he didn't already know? Do you grasp how ridiculous your doctrine is?

Phil 2 and Hebrews explain that fully. He emptied himself and became just like a man- in order to be a compassionate high priest!

And yet Jesus went to great pains to make sure his apostles understood what he meant.
e.g.....the parable of the "wheat and the weeds" is a good one.....
Matthew 10:36-42....
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"

How succinct would you like him to be? He identified the devil as the sower of fake "Christianity" in a field that was "the world". The harvest time is fast approaching when the reapers (angels) will gather up those "weeds" and dispose of them permanently....what a large wailing and gnashing of teeth will be seen when the majority who fell for the devil's counterfeit realize too late that they were suckers for the devil's lies.
"Few" are on the road to life for a very good reason. (Matthew 7:13-14) The truth just passes them by....

first it is Matt. 13. and you conveniently ignore the fact that this was teh very first time Jesus spoke in parables.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Now if you are implying that teh whole bible is written in parables, I await your evidence.

LOL....you cannot see how this applies to your own teachers?
What JW's do is to try and tell the truth so that honest hearted people can see through the devil's counterfeit.
Look at Christendom as a whole and tell me honestly that Christ is teaching them......what a joke! He must speak with a forked tongue.....
Oh wait a minute...its the other guy who does that....

Well if you knew me you would know I have called out many "preachers and teachers" in christendom for the same hypocrisy as I do the Watchtower.

I am no there to defend all of Christendom- I know that the external structure is sad. Many portions of Christendom are apostate. But Christians are those believers found in the tree of Christendom.

As John said- those who don't know Jesus--"they went out from us for they were never of us". Watchtower folk leave the teachings of the bible to follow the subtly and not so subtly teachings of doctrines of demons.

So you know; I do not think JW's are people who are evil. all I have met are very polite, cordial, hard workers, pleasant, honest , etc. I have seen Christians the same and teh exact opposite.

What separates the saved Christians from the JW's is the most critical truth.

Because JW's reject teh physical resurrection of Jesus from th edead, they are forever lost as long as they believe that!

YOu can be perfect in every single area of your life, but if you deny Jesus physically rose form teh dead, as Paul said your faith isin vain and you are still in your sin.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes!

And as I read this thread . . . like so many others . . . I could spend my entire day deconstructing the logical fallacies that I see in so many posts. I've even don't that sometimes on particularly slow days. The only benefit I could see was just filling empty hours, and giving myself some mental stimulation. Those who don't see it, still don't, and the rest do.

It's like we've become a blend site, no longer purely Christian.

Much love!

Well for me that is okay- any opportunity to teach one who is enslaved by lies, the truth of Gods Word is fine by me.

 

[marks]

So are you saying that the bread IS Jesus' body....and the wine IS Jesus' blood????
For a Jew that would break God's law. At the time of his death, he only preached to his fellow Jews. Drinking blood was an offense punishable by death. Eating human flesh is right up there on the "eeeewe" scale as well. How disgusting!
Since the bread and wine are clearly symbols of his sacrifice...."means" is the only appropriate translation....."IS" makes it an abomination.

At the end of the day, this sort of thinking led someone to mistranslate the passage. Adding "means" adds a word that isn't there, changes the meaning of the saying, without textual support.

You've changed the Word of God without cause, to fit your sense of reason.

Better to deal with what is written then to change it at your whim.

Yeah, there were others who were disgusted at the idea of eating Jesus flesh and drinking His blood, and they left en masse. Jesus explained how His Words were spiritual, but that doesn't give you the right to change them.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Well for me that is okay- any opportunity to teach one who is enslaved by lies, the truth of Gods Word is fine by me.

We follow where He leads!

Much love!

 

[Keiw]

And Jesus real teacher is the Holy spirit.

Teh words written and are plain and need no long philosophical explanations like the Watchtower gives.

We need teachers to show us How to apply these to our lives, but not what the Word of God means.

And you do not know me and your sinful presumptiousness is a badge of honor.

I attended different trinity religions in my day. The teachers were paid to teach their brand of dogma and little of what Jesus actually taught. I presume nothing, i share fact. John 5:30 is clear-Jesus teaches what his Fathers will is.

 

[Keiw]

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• Heb 1:3 . . He is the reflection of His glory and the exact representation of
His very being, and he sustains all things

The Greek word translated "exact representation" pertains to duplication, i.e.
a perfect copy which is quite a bit different than Adam's description.

• Gen 1:27 . . And God proceeded to create the man in His image, in God’s
image He created him

The Hebrew word translated "image" pertains to shadows, i.e. silhouettes,
rather than a copy and/or a duplicate.

BTW: Heb 1:3 is the only place in the entire New Testament where the Greek
word for "exact representation" occurs.
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Coll 1:30--Jesus is Gods image-- that is how he is the exact representation. Yet no image is ever the real McCoy.

 

[amigo de christo]

We follow where He leads!

Much love!

And we all know JESUS Dont lead us into sin or the accepantance of sin either .
IF anyone is following a Jesus that accepts gay marriage , or the love of money , or abortion or any sin
I got bad news , IT AINT JESUS being FOLLOWED , ITS THE FLESH .

 

[amigo de christo]

We follow where He leads!

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I attended different trinity religions in my day. The teachers were paid to teach their brand of dogma and little of what Jesus actually taught. I presume nothing, i share fact. John 5:30 is clear-Jesus teaches what his Fathers will is.

Well in this age of Laodicea that is not surprising. Formal denominations tend to teach what they are told to rpeach. Just like the Watchtower- they have their calendar of what they teach on Sundays. But believing churches tend to have their pastors free to preach what God is directing that local assembly to do in HIs name.

 

[farouk]

Well in this age of Laodicea that is not surprising. Formal denominations tend to teach what they are told to rpeach. Just like the Watchtower- they have their calendar of what they teach on Sundays. But believing churches tend to have their pastors free to preach what God is directing that local assembly to do in HIs name.

@Ronald Nolette Sad when business plans and organization replace by degrees conviction in the Scriptures.............

 

[Keiw]

Well in this age of Laodicea that is not surprising. Formal denominations tend to teach what they are told to rpeach. Just like the Watchtower- they have their calendar of what they teach on Sundays. But believing churches tend to have their pastors free to preach what God is directing that local assembly to do in HIs name.

On sundays we get a local needs talk, then the watchtower study. Worldwide the JW,s get the same spiritual feeding in over 800 languages by using the watchtower. Keeps us unified in thought-1Cor 1:10.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Coll 1:30 Col 1:15 --Jesus is Gods image-- that is how he is the exact representation.

The Greek word for "image:" in 2Cor 4:4 and Col 1:15 pertains to
likenesses, i.e. statues, profiles, representations and/or resemblances. It's
used something like 23 times in the New Testament. From what I gather,
eikon never refers to copies and/or duplications like the Greek word for
"express image" in Heb 1:3, which is used but one time only in the entire
New Testament.

I'm informed by John 4:24 that God isn't flesh and blood; so the duplication
we're looking at in Heb 1:3 isn't speaking of something physical, rather, it's
speaking of something supernatural-- very supernatural.

I can only guess as to how God might duplicate Himself except to think of
the procedure as something similar to that of single-cell life forms like
amoeba; but instead of producing daughter cells, God produced Father and
Son cells (so to speak)

We think we know all there is to know about our maker by means of Bible
study, but I've been at this practically non-stop since 1968 and still haven't
figured out how a father God produced a son without the assistance of a
mother God; but I know for sure He did because the Son is spoken of as
God's biological descendant no less than six times in the New Testament.
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[Webers_Home]

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Continued From No.1177

On sundays we get a local needs talk, then the watchtower study. Worldwide the JW,s
get the same spiritual feeding in over 800 languages by using the watchtower. Keeps us
unified in thought-1Cor 1:10.

The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in
doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watchtower
Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists
adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did
not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.

(¶ 12, under the heading; "Who is leading God's People today?" of the Feb 2017 Watchtower--Study Edition)
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[Keiw]

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Continued From No.1157


The Greek word for "image:" in 2Cor 4:4 and Col 1:15 pertains to
likenesses, i.e. statues, profiles, representations and/or resemblances. It's
used something like 23 times in the New Testament. From what I gather,
eikon never refers to copies and/or duplications like the Greek word for
"express image" in Heb 1:3, which is used but one time only in the entire
New Testament.

I'm informed by John 4:24 that God isn't flesh and blood; so the duplication
we're looking at in Heb 1:3 isn't speaking of something physical, rather, it's
speaking of something supernatural-- very supernatural.

I can only guess as to how God might duplicate Himself except to think of
the procedure as something similar to that of single-cell life forms like
amoeba; but instead of producing daughter cells, God produced Father and
Son cells (so to speak)

We think we know all there is to know about our maker by means of Bible
study, but I've been at this practically non-stop since 1968 and still haven't
figured out how a father God produced a son without the assistance of a
mother God; but I know for sure He did because the Son is spoken of as
God's biological descendant no less than six times in the New Testament.
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Everyone knows what an image is. Not the real thing. If you shoot the image in the mirror, you do away with the image, not the real thing.

 

[Keiw]

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Continued From No.1177


The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in
doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watchtower
Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists
adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did
not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.

(¶ 12, under the heading; "Who is leading God's People today?" of the Feb 2017 Watchtower--Study Edition)
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Of course imperfect men err. But to make correction in front of all creation proves 100% truth is what they want. Every religion has made errors, never has it been heard of another making corrections. Instead someone sees something wrong and begins a new religion, and that has happened hundreds if not thousands of times in the trinity religions. They NEVER get it right, because their top teachings are all error.