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Are We Nearing the 5th Trump

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Christina, Dec 6, 2006.

  1. HammerStone

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    Well I certainly agree that we don't know the exact hour; I will point out that Jesus gave us a whole bunch of signs leading up to that hour, though. Remember that he said: Matthew 24:36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. The answer to your question is in the context of what Yeshua said. The generation that he was speaking to was not the generation that shall not pass. The generation that shall not pass is the generation of the fig tree - hence the reason he says know it in verse 32 of the same chapter. Kriss has a wonderful topic on the subject and I recommend a search for it.
     
  2. Christina

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    MustafaaThe key here is What Generation is he talking of and how long is a generation?We do not know the hour or the day. But we are told to know the season just as we know spring is coming when we see the signs, We are told to learn the Parable of the fig tree to know when the season is upon us.It is the only parable God told us to learn.Although it is posted several times on this site I will post it below for you. We Are The Generation Of The Fig TreePARABLE OF THE FIG TREE(A Parable God tells Us To Learn)------------------------------------------------Everyday its seems we hear or see somthing else about the "END TIMES".We watch to see if God's prophecy's are being played out on the world stage.God tells us that no one knows the hour or day of the return of Christ.However he tells us we should watch and know the season,just as we know when the leaves turn colors and begin to fall,that the seasons are going to change,God tells us to watch for the season of the "End Times"Matthew 24, Mark 13 ,Luke 21, all tell us of the signs of this season,there will be false prophets,wars,rumors of wars,and earthquakesbut these things have always been so how do we know when we are supposed to start watching for this particular season? When being asked of these things Jesus gave a parableLuke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable;Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;Luke29:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selvesthat summer is now nigh at hand.Luke29:31: So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass,know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.Luke29:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away,till all be fulfilledA parable is simular to a riddle meaning there is a mystery or hidden meaning in the words. It is saying more than the surface words.So what does this riddle say? It has long been understood by biblical scholars that trees represent"Nations" and the "Fig Tree" represents IsraelSo taking this into account the parable would now read:Behold Israel, and all the NationsWhen they come forth,yea shall know the season is at handSo likewise when you see these things come to pass,know that the kingdom of God is close at handI say unto you,This generation shall not pass away till all things be fufilledNow that we know what the parable says lets inspect it futher. Behold Israel.Israel became a nation,for the first time since Christ's time on May 14,1948 (U.N ratified 1947)NationsThese are the nations that the bible says exsist in the end timesGenerationWhat Generation is it speaking of? the generation that see's Israel become a Nation So we can now see that the Parable of the Fig Tree tells us that the generation that saw the 1948 formation of the state of Israel is the generation that will see the "End Time events and the return of Christ.A generation in the bible is 40 years,70 years,or 120 years.Although we can not completely rule out 120 year generation people in our day do not normally live to 120 years old so it would seem that 40 years or 70 years would be more likely however 40 years has already passed, so by process of elimination we are left with 70 year Generation. God does not say he will wait the full 70 years, only that the generation will not all pass away before the end comes.We are fast aproaching the 70th year May14, 2008 will complete 60 years of the 70 year generation.And the 70 years ends May 14,2018There is another important date that we are approaching that may shed more light on where we stand in the time line.East Jerusalem was part of the so called occupied territories untill the Six Day War of June 5,1967. When Israel finally took position of all of Jerusalam.Which completed the current day state of Israel.In June 2007 Israel will celebrate the 40 year aniversery of the possession of Jerusalam.Forty(40) is an important number in Gods word and often signifies completeness or fullness of time.kriss
     
  3. MUSTAFAA

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    How can we ever have peace in the Middle East if we speak of destroying one of the most holiest sites in Islam? Should Muslims just take this as something that deserves to happen to them? Or do you think this will bring about a holy war. And what about people who just want to see blood shed, suppose they take up your idea and destroy the dome of the rock? What will it serve you, to me it’s just idol worship in a way… maybe it be a book, or a tomb of Jesus or a weeping picture. What makes your right to worship it any more valid then the next persons? (No offence intended). I think we have a real problem of looking at things from where we sit… ask people in third world countries if they think were in the end times… AIDS, WEST NILE VIRUS, people dying from sicknesses that we cured years ago. And we sit here in our big chairs 2 and 3 houses, a house just for the summer months! While people sleep in the streets… we live in a very sick world, and we cope with these things by telling our selves that they must not be close to God like I am! They need to pray more and ask for Gods help. Can’t God see what’s going on? Sometime I get so discourage not for myself but for people who just seem to be puppets in somebody else’s “Grand Play” called Religion. I think sometime would I really be happy if I were in heaven and all my close friends and family were sitting in hell? Or maybe I’ll be in hell and turn to my left and see “Hitler” on one side and “jack the ripper” on the other … I just can’t help thinking all I did was cheat on my wife should I really be next to these two in hell? PsThanks for the end time email answers. It really was a help to me. (kriss; SwampFox)
     
  4. Christina

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    We will not have peace in the middle east until Anti-christ comes and declares he is Christ here to bring peace. God says he will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone to the world.He also tells us that there will be wars and rumors of wars. To answer your other questions Muslims to not worship our God.Allah is not our god.Mohammed is not our prophet.I do not think the Jews will ever destroy the mosque it will either be destroyed by natural causes(like an earthquake) or by war.The world is the way it is because we are nearing the end times and will only get worse.Why?Because most of the world believes they do need God that man can do it. So see what we have done by not following his laws(commandments) we have made money and greed our god. If you repented from your heart for cheating God has forgiven you there is only one unforgivable sin and it can not be committed till Anti-chriist is on earth and sense he isnt here yet the unforgivable sin can not be committed. So as far as God is concerned you have a clean slate.You won't be sitting next to Hitler who never repented you will be next to the rest of us sinners none of us are without sin.Thats why Christ died so we could be forgiven if we ask from our heart.We are Bible students/teachers for the most part here we do not represent any particular religion We teach only the Bible. Religion is made for man by man although all religions are welcome here.Gods word is the final authorityand lastly the parable I gave you above is not my/our time table it is the Word of God hope that covered all the questions in your post .
     
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    I would like to add : I believe that when Paul spoke in ICor. saying" Do you not know that your body is the temple of God" it put in perspective this question of the 3rd Temple... I do not believe a Temple will be built... I believe that we are the Temple and the question is who sits in your temple? Is is the true Christ or the "instead of Christ"? Any Temple built now will be Satans temple any way and he can occupy the Dome of the Rock to declare himself god or build one supernaturally there to wow the world into belief... HE WILL HAVE SUPERNATURAL POWERS... HE IS A SUPERNATURAL BEING ,NOT FLESH... HE WILL NOT BE BORN OF WOMAN...HE WILL COME AND ASTONISH THE WHOLE WORLD EXCEPT FOR A VERY FEW...
     
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    We are at the 6th seal, infact we are halfway through it.We are at the 6th Trumpet/2nd woe.We are in the 6th antitypical feast day - Day of atonement (Judgment)The next event is for the Lamb-like beast to pass laws and enforce "Christianity"The Lamb-like beast has already formed the image of the beast, they have merged church and state.We are in the 7th and last church, laodicea, which means "a people judged".we have now left to go, the mark of the beast, the 7 last plagues, and then the 2nd coming of Jesus.The Jesuit doctrine however has us believing that most of Revelation has not yet happened. I tell you friend it has [​IMG]God bless!
     
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    Okay!! so who is the Antichrist?
     
  8. kendal

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    the book of Revelation never uses the word antichrist,but you could call the first beast of revelation the antichrist - church of Rome
     
  9. betchevy

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    Kendal Revelation does use these terms to describe the king who will set up a false kingdom for a short time the instead of Christ...Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them which is the angel of the bottom less pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Ababdon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Appolyon. It goes on to say one woe is past and behold there come two woes after.This is an absolute discription of an angel...one who is not born of woman... it describes further he reigns on the earth.Rev.13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.This is a description of a supernatural being, not a human flesh man.The author of Revelation wrote in 1st John 2:22...Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son.He spoke several time of the spirit of antichrist coming in those who deny Christ....The last I heard the Roman Catholic Church does not deny Christ is the son of the Eternal God , the Father....If you are expecting Christ to break through the clouds any day and do not realize that Satan as the "instead of Christ" is going to come first as stated by Paul Thess. 2: 3 let no man decieve you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition: who opposeth and exalteth himself above all the is called God or that is worshipped; so that he is as God sitteth in the templeof God shewing himself that he is God.Then you will be among those who when Christ does appear...cry our for them rocks to fall on them.....out of shameI write this to you because of the fact that you obviously have been taught that Christ is the next to arrive on the scene. Should you fall into a trap set by the evil one to snare those who believe they are worshipping Christ but in stead find they have become unfaithful brides... I can tell you are faithful to a church and therefore believe you are faithful to God. But the Word does not agree with the things you believe. I am truly concerned for you. I do believe you are a very sincere woman who only desires to serve God...I too belonged to a church whos teachings I had to unlearn because they were false... I praise God for leading me to the Word and giving me a desire to learn the the whole word for myself and not be fed like a baby on pablum having someone to chew up and put their spin on what I took in l. I learned to use a Strongs concordance and check out the original languages ....wow what a difference that made.We have alot in common . You do not know anything about me. I am a Jewish Christian who keeps Sabbath on Sabbath and keep kosher( I miss those gummy bears). I don't want you to feel as if I am "attacking you" that is not my desire. My desire is to keep you form making a huge mistake that I know you will regret. I also think that the time is close for the evil one te set up his kingdom ; that is why it is so important for us to bring truth here to all who participate and those who read and never "show their face" We have a responsibility to one another and will answer for every word.I say these thing in love and hope this will be a begining of a freindship and not a challenge. Lets talk about what the Word says..okay? I am praying as I hit this post button that you will recieve this in the spirit that it is sent in.
     
  10. Christina

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    Kendal I must agree with Betchevy Please understand that know one here wants to attack or be argumentitive with you. I do not know what church you attend but most all churchs are subject to traditions of and men created by men. We here at CB are Bible students we use the Bible as our final authority.Unfortunatley for those of you who have been taught in a church or certain religions this sometimes causes some disagrement and conflict because of the teachings of men that have crept into the churchs. Im sure you have seen an example of this with the Rapture Theroy that most churchs teach, yet it is not in Gods word. It is so with many church teachings. So please understand when you post teachings of a certain church/religion if it does not agree with the word of Bible as understood thru the original lanuages, as opposed to being filtered through a relgious belief we will disagree with you at times. Hopefully to bring about dialoge and truth of the Word. As Bet said hopefully this will lead to a great friendship and sharing.We are not here to attack you, your church or religion but we will have to tell you when a religious teaching of men and men traditions does not agree with scripture.
     
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    To be honest with you I would think that Jesus 11 original followers would have thought he would come back to earth in their time… this belief would be in place before we had the bible (New Testament). I’m not talking about the resurrection but after that when he would come back to judge the world. If we are only going except what the bible (New Testament) says then what about a time before the New Testament was written, and what about the books that did not make it into the bible (New Testament)? Do you believe that we can find anything of value in them? I would also think that we had different religious camps with opposing views about what should be in the bible and what should be kept out. This would in my opinion, be why you have such strong conflicting views on certain subject. Like the divinity of Jesus, where some say when he says “to see him is to see the father” and “he and the father are one”. Some say this is a clear statement of Jesus saying that he is God, yet some point to him saying “for I have not yet ascend to my father and your father, my God and your God” and him saying “that the father is greater then him” this to them is a clear statement of Jesus saying that he is not God… This leads to my last question do you believe that the bible is “infallible” and what version would you say is “infallible”?
     
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    Who says we are only listening to the new testament the Old testament is as much a part of Gods word as the New testament The OLD TESTAMENT is the NEW TESTAMENT concealed.....The NEW TESTAMENT is the OLD TESTAMENT revealed.Mustafaa you seem to be letting your confusion on one point be influencing your entire perspective of the Bible if you as yet can not understand it you need to put it on the shelf. Concentrate on your learning and building of your faith till God gives you better understanding much of what you desire to know is found in FAITH ..the ability to believe what you can not see and can not prove to be true by other means.
     
  13. betchevy

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    Genesis is the beginning of the teaching for the end of days... in the beginning we find out the start of the plan God has for his children... IN chapter 5 you find the generations of the children of Adam who by the way in Hebrew is called Eth Ha Adam and is created after the day God rested ...to abide in the Garden and keep it : unlike the creation of the sixth day who were fishers and hunters and in Hebrew called only adam. no eth(imphatic) or Ha(the)... but back to the chapter 5 and the generations....Cain is NOT THERE....This is a key to the end of days and the fight between God and Satan over the souls God created in the very beginning.... the eloheem. Cain has a seperate geneology....because he has a different father.... these are the creators of the Beast of Revelation and Cain's father is the antichrist himself.IN the Psalms there are so many teachings from David who was a great prophet of the end of days...37:34Wait on the LORD and keep His wayand he shall exalt the to inhert the land: when the wicked are cut off thous shall see it.Daniel gives us the time line and dates the season we expect the antichrist to enter the earth's scene, 11:31-32 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sancutary of strength and shall tke away the daily sacrifice and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.And shuc that do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries but the people that do know theri God shall be stong and do exploits.Jeremiah is a word for word copy of what the expect and how to react during the time of the anitcrist on earth...Nebucahnezer is a prototype of antichrist32:38,39 and 40 Speaks of the time after anichrist is cast into enternal death and we are His forever. And they sahll be my people, and I will be their God:And I will give them one heart and one way that theymay fear me forever, for the good of them and their children after them. Ezekial goes even farther than Revelation and the last chapters tell us more about the millenium that any other book in the Word and example of the end of days is....39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, phophesy against Gog, and say. Thus saith the Lord God Behold I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meschech and Tubal(antichrist)Joel 2:the whole chapter but 11 and the LORD shall utter his voice before his army;for his cmp is very great,...... for te day of the LORD is great and terrible, sho can abide it? Zechariah,14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jererusalem on the east and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west and there shall be a great valley; and half of the mountain shall be removed toward the north and half of it toward the south .Amos...9:13 Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed: and the mountaiins shall drop sweet wine and the hills shall melt.THE POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS YOU NEED TO KNOW THE WHOLE WORD OF GOD, YOU NEED TO USE A STONGS CONCORDANCE TO SEE WHAT THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE USED ACTUALLY MEANT AND DO NOT TRUST THE STORIES YOU LEARNED IN SUNDAY SCHOOL. BUT LEARN THE WHOLENESS OF THE WORD, EAT IN ALL, AND LEARN THE KEY TO WHY YOU WERE BORN DURING THESE DAYS. LOVE GOD AND LEARN ALL OF THE LETTER HE GAVE YOU FOR YOURSELF . IT IS TOO IMPORTANT TO TRUST SOMEONE ELSE TO FEED IT TO YOU IN THEIR WORDS AND CONCEPTS... YOU NEED TO BE A GROWN UP AND LEARN TO EAT MEAT....
     
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    Hi there,I'm new to this forum, this being my first post.I'd like to share with you, an experience I had. Some of you it might offend and some of you might be enlightened.I am not a practising religious person though I've always had a personal belief in God. I have had many spiritual experiences throughout my life, you could say I've been to the bottom of the sea and climbed the highest mountain. With that in mind I'd like to share one of these experiences with you.I was lifted out in spirit by the heavenly father who told me to come out of her. His appearance was in a kind of red orb, its difficult to describe. To his right hand side there was a female in a green orb. She said to me, do you see what I'm up against now? I pondered there for a second contemplating my next move. I said to myself I should just be myself. As soon as I thought it I found myself at the right hand side of the father in a blue orb then I found myself coming out of this orb and ascending between the father and mother into a different part of space. There was a lady in white pointing to three large eggs, I approached the nearest one to me and entered through the top, there I found myself repeating what I had already done, meaning I sat myself down in the blue orb that was at the top of this egg along with the red and green orb, the father and mother. I came back out of this egg after just a few seconds and went back into the original part of space back into the first blue orb.To the right of me appeared another lady, this time she appeared in human form, dark in appearance, she told me I had opened the 5th seal and and asked me what I would like to do with the rest, so I told her she could have them, not really thinking anything about it, just going with the flow. She told me I had to fall and give my love to the Queen in the south. As I started to fall towards the earth I can remember hitting the upper atmosphere then a blank until just a few feet off the floor where I landed. It was on some dusty road in South Africa. I was surrounded by a number of people who seemed shocked to see me, then the experience endedQuite shocked at this experience I looked up the position of the planets at the time of this experience, the date was 3rd December 2002 when Mars Venus and Mercury were in the constellation of Virgo. The red orb I believe to be mars, the green orb, Venus, and the blue orb Mercury.I could go into other things that connect to world events but I'd only be going off track and too deep for those who are not of the spiritI know some might think its kind of blasphemy to tie in astrology with religion but its the only way and the only explanation is just to tell it how I experienced it and for you to come to your own conclusions. There was a long path of experiences and ups and downs before me finally taking flight in spirit., some very unpleasant but I suppose thats what you call bearing fruit.Do you think this experience is tied into the same described in the bible of the spirit opening the 5th seal towards the end of time? Or do you think this is something entirely different?
     
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    No version of the Bible is completely 100% infallible, but the best version which presents the Textus Receptus the received text by the reformists is the King James Version of the Bible.You must understand, Jesus was 100% man while he was on this earth, he had the same tendencies to sin as we did, but he overcame them by the faith in his Father, he did not have access to anything that we don't. Of course he is 100% God as well, God the Son became man, Jesus has always existed, but as a man he was a man, and God is greater then him. You must really study the divinity and humanity of Christ, to understand the great work of atonement.God bless!!
     
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    PS ;The Messenger,This is spiritualism and condemned in the Bible, and for good reason, because God knows that man can be deceived thereby, because it seems real, be careful friend God bless!!We are in the 6th seal, the next event is the return of Jesus.First; ‘a great earthquake’. This earthquake was real and hit Europe on the 1st of November, 1755. It’s center was in Lisbon, Portugal, where the headquarters of the terrible inquisition had been. It hit on a ‘Holy day’ and all the churches were destroyed and thousands were killed. They ran screaming, carrying their images of saints and crucifixes and clung to the altars in the churches, but all in vain. People and priests perished together. The earthquake affected at least four million square miles of the earth's surface. The sun was darkened May 19, 1780. "Candles were lighted in many houses. Birds were silent and disappeared. Fowls retired to roost. It was the general opinion that the day of Judgment was at hand." "It was midnight darkness at noonday. . . . Thousands of people who could not account for it from natural causes, were greatly terrified; and indeed, it cast a universal gloom on the earth. The frogs and night-hawks began their notes." The moon refused to give her light the following night; and when it did appear, it bore the appearance of blood as described in this prophecy. The stars of heaven fell Nov. 13, 1833. Other meteor showers have been seen at different times, but this was the most remarkable and extensive.www.presenttruth.org
     
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    We are in the 6th seal, the next event is the return of Jesus.First; ‘a great earthquake’.--------------------------------------The magnitude 9.0 undersea megathrust earthquake struck off the western coast of Sumatra, Indonesia on December 26, 2004, could this have been the 6th seal?Has the 7th Angel of Revelation, presided over the opening of the 7th Seal of Revelation?Which has brought forth the opening of the Book of Life?Has it all happened right before our eyes?And this the 7th seal Eta Carina ?
     
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    You must understand, Jesus was 100% man while he was on this earth, he had the same tendencies to sin as we did, but he overcame them by the faith in his Father,-------------the spirit of the father/ MARS was Father Urbain Grandier, He was the parish priest of St.-Pierre-du-Marché of Loudun, France
     
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    Hello,You did not say if you were sleep or wake when this happen to you. [/COLOR]Your story reminds me of something a friend once told me, he was telling me that the bible and revelations was complete and that if we were still receiving revelations from God then we would have to add them to the Bible. This would make some sense to me in the fact that we can’t have people saying… “This just in late breaking news from God, we should now all shave our heads and wear sack clothe for 30 days”. How can we know if a dream or revelation is truly from God? I’m not saying this to challenge your story just to give you a different view. This is why I think that it’s hard for many christens to except later religions like Islam for example and to see another messenger coming with no end in site. I know the Bible says that in the last days we will see many false prophets, but what about real prophets from God. Can we expect any more to come… just asking.
     
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    You did not say if you were sleep or wake when this happen to you.----------------------------------I was wide awake at the time and had a number of guests round for company also. But one thing I've noticed on all experiences, when the spirit leaves the body its like something starts to shake from the inside then cascades all over the body then out you go like seals being opened and freeing the spirit.And for the rest of your questions, I cannot answer that, thats for the experts to come to their own conclusions.But in the bigger picture it has given me a kind of blueprint of world activities relating to these celestial influences. For instance, the middle east is being represented by mars, spectrum red. The West represented by venus, spectrum green, and blue for European represented by mercury and the south, purple, represented by virgo/the moon.I feel like the process I followed or the events that happened to me have a mirror process on a global scale. when the west, venus strips the middle east mars the father and forces it to bear fruit it'll be left with the core nature of the north which gives light to the south, a conscious poleflip out of the physical mind, into the spiritual mind. I hope that makes a bit more sense
     
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