Are you catholic?

[mjrhealth]

Everyone should know by now, that religion does not allow a relationship with God, for to do so, no one would need religion. So every avenue is found to stop one talking to God or there Saviour Jesus Christ, lest you find out that you only need them, and God forbid, you become saved without church.

Exo_9:1 Then the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh, and tell him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

but

Exo_8:32 And Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also, neither would he let the people go.

some things just dont change, How dare we serve God...

 

[aspen]

Yes, I am a catholic Christian

 

[Taken]

Hilarious! Prayers in the imperative mood! In another post you said that prayer is 'asking.' So now prayer is also 'commanding?' You failed to mention that before. The goal posts are on the move.

The goal posts HAVE to move if one is a DEFENDER of Catholics!
What sets a DEFENDER apart from general Catholics IS being skilled in double-speak.

A conversation with a Catholic Defender....

Praying to Mary...?

"It's okay, Just asking her something."

Asking a dead person...?

"It's okay to talk to dead people, Jesus did, when he said to Lazarath, to rise up."

I said Ask something, not talk to....!

"Ya but I can pray to Mary, b-cuz she is holy, she the intercessory to Jesus, she is all peoples holy Mother."

But she is dead. How can you talk to dead people?

"By praying to her to intercede for me".

But she is dead.

"Jesus talked to dead people"

Jesus was not ASKING dead people to intercede for Him.

You are directly calling to and soliciting a dead person, to do something for you,
which is not Biblical.

"Your're a;
Troll,
Arrogant,
Wrong,
Ignorant,
Liar,
Hostile,
Hater,
Against "THE" Chruch,
Anti-Catholic.

LOL.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Can you at least admit that your church is an exeption?

No.
This is going on ALL over the Unites States.

The Authority for this practice was proclaimed by St. John Paul II. and is available worldwide.
What YOU claimed was false.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What is wrong with you?
No I did not say ASKING!
I said, praying TO someone other than the Father is VAIN!
Your very first example....of Jesus supposedly praying TO people.....said NOTHING whatsoever about Jesus praying TO people.
You play a little word game, with your carnal thoughts.
Scripture is clear, Prayer in Scripture is always taught a request made specifically TO GOD.
You should know the difference between politely asking someone a question....
Pray, adverb.
And asking God, DIETY, for intervention in your life.
Pray, verb.
Pretending otherwise, so it appears you are instructed to PRAY TO dead people, on your behalf, is not Biblical.
Jesus instructed men...when ye PRAY, pray "OUR FATHER."
When Jesus PRAYED...He PRAYED, "MY Father".
He did not INCLUDE pray "TO" dead people or living people.
Why is applicable Scripture as it stands, simply NOT satisfactory to the Catholics?

This entire psychotic rant is based on YOUR personal ignorance of linguistics.

You want to change the definition of "Pray" but you can't. I had to show you that "Pray" simply means to "ASK" - and you still reject it. It is legal, juridical language that is used in court documents and police reports - and ALWAYS refers to inquiries.

The bold RED text above is YOU praying to ME . . .

 

[Taken]

This entire psychotic rant is based on YOUR personal ignorance of linguistics.

Jesus does not want you to be ignorant, but if you INSIST, then so be it.

You want to change the definition of "Pray" but you can't.

I am not wanting to or trying to change the definition of PRAY.

I am point out, we have thousands of words in general use language.....And those same words have a totally different meaning when stepping out of your Carnal mindset, and jumping into Spiritual thoughts of ones spirit.

I had to show you that "Pray" simply means to "ASK" -

No, you did not need to "SHOW" me the Carnal minded meaning of PRAY.

You were speaking of Spiritual things....
You know, dead saints, in heaven..Mary in heaven. That which is IN HEAVEN, invokes a Spritual conversation, about something IN Heaven, with a Spirutal understanding.

Then you speak of an earthly living man, with a carnal language of "asking". No big deal.
That is what earthly living men do. They ask other earthly living men questions, favors, opinions, ideas, etc.
Earthly men also make FORMAL requests, asking for something, by saying I PRAY "you".... the YOU, typically has to do with a LEGAL AUTHORITY.
So that is beyond general conversation between men.
Legal Authority can be an INDIVIDUAL, or an OFFICE, of Legal Authority.

Then comes the CONFUSION.

You are claiming, YOU, a living man, SOLICITE and CALL ON specific DEAD PEOPLE, to ASK them to DO something FOR you.

WHERE IN ALL OF SCRIPTURE, are you Taught, FOR LIVING MEN CALL ON DEAD PEOPLE to "ASK" THEM "TO DO" something FOR YOU?

and you still reject it.

You have quoted umpteen scriptures, NONE reveal what you claim you do.

You have yet to SHOW ANY SCRIPTURES that reveals LIVING MEN SHOULD CALL ON DEAD PEOPLE TO ASK THEM TO DO SOMETHING FOR YOU.

It is legal, juridical language that is used in court documents and police reports - and ALWAYS refers to inquiries.

Thanks for telling me what I just said.

The bold RED text above is YOU praying to ME . . .

No, Learn the difference between general conversation of Asking, and Praying Spiritually.

So, I'll wait for your scripture that reveals a living man should ASK Dead People to do something FOR them.

 

[aspen]

The goal posts HAVE to move if one is a DEFENDER of Catholics!
What sets a DEFENDER apart from general Catholics IS being skilled in double-speak.

A conversation with a Catholic Defender....

Praying to Mary...?

"It's okay, Just asking her something."

Asking a dead person...?

"It's okay to talk to dead people, Jesus did, when he said to Lazarath, to rise up."

I said Ask something, not talk to....!

"Ya but I can pray to Mary, b-cuz she is holy, she the intercessory to Jesus, she is all peoples holy Mother."

But she is dead. How can you talk to dead people?

"By praying to her to intercede for me".

But she is dead.

"Jesus talked to dead people"

Jesus was not ASKING dead people to intercede for Him.

You are directly calling to and soliciting a dead person, to do something for you,
which is not Biblical.

"Your're a;
Troll,
Arrogant,
Wrong,
Ignorant,
Liar,
Hostile,
Hater,
Against "THE" Chruch,
Anti-Catholic.

LOL.

That reminds me - saturday is when I pray with Mary - sorrows, and undoer of knots. Thanks! Got my days mixed up

 

[Taken]

That reminds me - saturday is when I pray with Mary - sorrows, and undoer of knots. Thanks! Got my days mixed up

What if she is busy and can't participate, how would you know?

 

[aspen]

What if she is busy and can't participate, how would you know?

How do you know the sun will rise tomorrow? Experience

 

[Stranger]

One reason is that it takes too long.
Another reason is that everyone drinks from the same cup and it's not sanitary.
I like how little paper cups are used in most Protestant churches.

I don't think length of time should be a reason not all the believers to partake of the wine. Yes, individual cups provide an answer for sanitary.

Surely there is another reason for the priest being able to drink of the wine and blood, but not the saints.

When was such an action taken and by whose authority I wonder. I am sure tradition will be cited as it is not in Scripture.

Stranger

 

[Taken]

I don't think length of time should be a reason not all the believers to partake of the wine. Yes, individual cups provide an answer for sanitary.

Surely there is another reason for the priest being able to drink of the wine and blood, but not the saints.

When was such an action taken and by whose authority I wonder. I am sure tradition will be cited as it is not in Scripture.

Stranger

I find in Scripture the disciples being told to do this (drink from this cup, and eat this bread), in remembrance of me (Jesus); and they did.

ONCE. But find no reoccurance of them doing that again. Do you?

 

[Stranger]

I find in Scripture the disciples being told to do this (drink from this cup, and eat this bread), in remembrance of me (Jesus); and they did.

ONCE. But find no reoccurance of them doing that again. Do you?

No, I don't know of any re-occurrence. Paul is clear in (1 Cor. 11:24-24) that as often as we do the Lord's Supper, it is in remembrance of Him.

Stranger

 

[GodsGrace]

I don't think length of time should be a reason not all the believers to partake of the wine. Yes, individual cups provide an answer for sanitary.

Surely there is another reason for the priest being able to drink of the wine and blood, but not the saints.

When was such an action taken and by whose authority I wonder. I am sure tradition will be cited as it is not in Scripture.

Stranger

I agree with your first paragraph.

The priest drinks of the wine because at the Last Supper Jesus instituted the Mass and He said, this is My body---this is My blood. So both the bread and the wine must be eaten. BTW, the wine must be pure with nothing added to it - no water and no chemicals. During the communion part of the Mass, a small amount of water is added to the wine (before the priest drinks it). This has a two-fold meaning:
1. The water (a very small amount) represents the congregation, the people of God.
2. It represents the water, and the blood, that came out of Jesus' side when the soldier used his spear on the side of Jesus --- water and blood came forth.
John 19:34

I personally can't recall a Mass where the wine was offered. I'm sure there are churches where it is.

I can't reply to your last paragraph. Since both elements, the body and the blood, are both in BOTH species, I don't believe it's of any problem to the CC that only the bread is given. Scripturally, yes, both should be given --- I agree.

 

[Nomad]

I find in Scripture the disciples being told to do this (drink from this cup, and eat this bread), in remembrance of me (Jesus); and they did.

ONCE. But find no reoccurance of them doing that again. Do you?

Neither the bread nor the wine were to be one-off events. We can see from Paul's letter to the Corinthians that both elements were to be recurring.

1Co_10:16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?

1Co_10:21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.

1Co_11:25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."
1Co_11:26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
1Co_11:27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co_11:28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup.

 

[Stranger]

I agree with your first paragraph.

The priest drinks of the wine because at the Last Supper Jesus instituted the Mass and He said, this is My body---this is My blood. So both the bread and the wine must be eaten. BTW, the wine must be pure with nothing added to it - no water and no chemicals. During the communion part of the Mass, a small amount of water is added to the wine (before the priest drinks it). This has a two-fold meaning:
1. The water (a very small amount) represents the congregation, the people of God.
2. It represents the water, and the blood, that came out of Jesus' side when the soldier used his spear on the side of Jesus --- water and blood came forth.
John 19:34

I personally can't recall a Mass where the wine was offered. I'm sure there are churches where it is.

I can't reply to your last paragraph. Since both elements, the body and the blood, are both in BOTH species, I don't believe it's of any problem to the CC that only the bread is given. Scripturally, yes, both should be given --- I agree.

Interesting that the 'Mass', which is so important in the Roman Church, is inaccurately performed.

No doubt it is another way to establish the difference between laity and priests. A difference which is straight out of hell.

Appreciate your input.

Stranger

 

[GodsGrace]

Interesting that the 'Mass', which is so important in the Roman Church, is inaccurately performed.

No doubt it is another way to establish the difference between laity and priests. A difference which is straight out of hell.

Appreciate your input.

Stranger

Interesting observation.

 

[epostle1]

Another anti-Catholic thread, with the usual misrepresentations and falsehoods. Stranger has been to sooo many Masses, he's an expert. I thought bearing false witness was a sin...silly me.

No GodsGrace, there is nothing there to observe beyond hate speech. The only reason threads like this go on as long as they do is because the moderators are anti-Catholic and too "liberal" to stand for what is right. Flooding threads with lies and falsehoods is not permitted here:
https://forums.catholic.com/ (I myself have been suspended for not being charitable, so if you carry on in the usual manner as in here, you won't last)
There is a section where you can ask a priest questions. Don't ask anything in this forum because it is intensely anti-Catholic.

 

[epostle1]

I find in Scripture the disciples being told to do this (drink from this cup, and eat this bread), in remembrance of me (Jesus); and they did.

ONCE. But find no reoccurance of them doing that again. Do you?

Every Mass I have been to across hundreds of miles offer both species, and it's been that way for some time. If one is in a stadium with 50,000 communicants, Bread and Wine is not practical. We don't separate the Body from the Blood, they are one and the same.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sacrament of the Eucharist

 

[aspen]

The moderators are certainly not anticatholic! I’ve been here for a long time and never been called out by a moderator for being Catholic

 

[Taken]

Another anti-Catholic thread, with the usual misrepresentations and falsehoods. Stranger has been to sooo many Masses, he's an expert. I thought bearing false witness was a sin...silly me.

No GodsGrace, there is nothing there to observe beyond hate speech. The only reason threads like this go on as long as they do is because the moderators are anti-Catholic and too "liberal" to stand for what is right. Flooding threads with lies and falsehoods is not permitted here:
https://forums.catholic.com/ (I myself have been suspended for not being charitable, so if you carry on in the usual manner as in here, you won't last)
There is a section where you can ask a priest questions. Don't ask anything in this forum because it is intensely anti-Catholic.

LOL. Presumptious to think everything is about Catholics. It isn't.