Are You Free From The Law?

[Eternally Grateful]

The mossaic law is actually a good thing and if practiced is to our benefit, the problem begins when man tries to justify himself upon his obedience to it.

And I'm not referring to sacrificial laws.

the mosaic law was not given to be practiced

It was given to lead us as a schoolmaster to Christ. to expose our sin.

it can not even tell us HOW to be righteous. it can only reveal how sinful we really are.

We become righteous in our living by learning the law of Love.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Galatians 5:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.


That means United States being a Circumcised Nation is a Jewish Nation and is debtor to do the whole Law. Do you agree?

no

Because the united stated did not get circumcised in order to gain salvation like the jews did

 

[Elihoenai]

That cannot be right, or Jesus' death would be in vain.
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Isaiah 55:8-9 King James Version (KJV)

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


Elohim/God is Right!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Matthew 5:20 King James Version (KJV)

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


The Pharisees are Righteous!

yep

And their righteousness was as filthy rags, Unless they accepted Christ and repented. They will be lost forever

Jesus was trying to tell them how impossible it is to earn our right to heaven, by telling them, If you want to earn your entrance, you have to be more righteous than these people, because even their righteousness was not enough

remember, these people would resemble our religious do gooders today. People who you look at. and can not find any sin,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What if He decided to let all go free, how would that make you feel?

it would make humans feel great

But it would tarnish Gods reputation as the perfect judge, and he could never be trusted again

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Agree. We are totally free >>> to be bound to Him by the cords of love.

Welcome to the forum

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why does Paul warn believers (Gal 5) thatt their sins can lead them to hell? Sounds like sin can destroy any "grace" and any hope of salvation they had.

we need grace because of sin.

I wish some people would learn what grace is and why we require it

if we can sin our self out of grace. Grace is no longer grace. it must be work

 

[Eternally Grateful]

In Gal 5 ,Paul.warns believers that due to their sins, they may "not inherit the kingdom of God". In other words, neither their faith nor grace will save them.

no

Paul did not contradict John, who made it clear people who live in the sins that Paul mentioned in Gal 5 have never seen or known God. He is pleading with the galation church and the people who have yet to make a faith decision and received salvation to not fall. either back to their flesh, or to the law.. Which if they do, they have missed the opportunity to save by the only thing which could save them

 

[Elihoenai]

The 613 Mitzvot laws were given by the god of one nation, their god is not the Father of Jesus. The Jews have their own god who opposes Jesus and we all know who the opposer is.
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Are you saying that the God of the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament is not the same God as the Greek Scriptures/New Testament?

 

[Cooper]

Galatians 5:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.


That means United States being a Circumcised Nation is a Jewish Nation and is debtor to do the whole Law. Do you agree?

That is just silly.
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[Elihoenai]

You would need to define that.
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It's the belief that the British People are descendants of the 10 Lost Tribes of Israel.


British Israelism

British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudoarchaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel.

British Israelism - Wikipedia

 

[Cooper]

Matthew 5:20 King James Version (KJV)

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


The Pharisees are Righteous!

The god of the Pharisees is the father of lies. See Jesus in John 8:39 onwards.
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[Elihoenai]

You are confusing Gods law with Jewish civil law. Nobody outside of Israil has to keep their religious rites.
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God/Elohim gave all 613 Mitzvah/Laws to Children of Israel through Moses.

 

[DNB]

In Gal 5 ,Paul.warns believers that due to their sins, they may "not inherit the kingdom of God". In other words, neither their faith nor grace will save them.

You're repeating yourself, I made two points on my last post, read the latter one.

 

[Elihoenai]

I have no wish to belong to the Jewish nation. I belong to the body of Christ and Him only.

Is the Body of Messiah/Christ a Jewish Body?

 

[Elihoenai]

You wrote, "Moses spoke to the children of Israel." He never spoke to the children of Babylon, Persia, Rome or anyone else. The Israilites have their own religion and their teaching is in opposition to the teaching of Jesus.
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The Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament and Greek Scriptures/New Testament is a Unified Whole. You appear to be hopelessly in error.

 

[DNB]

We will all have to keep the appointment of death. It is as if we are on death row all our lives. Then when we die, we will come before the great white judgment throne to be judged by our compliance with the Ten Commandment from our youth up.

Because non of us have been able to keep the Ten Commandment at any time, because God not only looks on the outward compliance, but on the thoughts of the heart. Even though we are converted to Christ, we still continue to break the Commandments by telling little white lies, taking that biro home from the office, saying "OMG", looking at persons with lust, wishing we could have what the Jones's have, not loving God with all our heart, soul and strength, being angry with someone without causes, and so on. Although we have forsaken the 'big' sins like habitual lying, theft, blasphemy, viewing pornography, fornication, hatred, jealousy, envy, and other works of the flesh, we will are tripped up by the "little foxes" every day, mostly without realising it. But these "iittle foxes" still come under God's strict justice, and when we stand before God in the judgment, we will be found guilty and will be subject to the same penalty as if we continued with the "big" sins.

But the difference will be that because we put our faith and trust in the finished work of Jesus on Calvary, our debt to sin has been paid by Him, and He has taken God's wrath, and the penalty for our sin on Himself. This means that when we are found guilty of sin in the judgment, we will not be sentenced to God's eternal prison without parole, and will be set free because there will be no penalty.

It is like a person standing before the court judge charged with serious crimes which brings a million dollars in fines. The judge will say, "You are guilty, but someone has come and paid the fine for you, so you can leave this court a free man".

Conversion to Christ does not magically change us into a different person on the outside. What changes in us are our hearts causing us to hate our own sinfulness, and to love holiness. This causes us to work as hard as we can with the grace and strength of the Holy Spirit to demonstrate that we are truly converted to Christ. It is not good works that will save us, but having been converted to Christ, we will demonstrate the truth of our conversion through the demonstration of a changed conduct resulting from a transformed heart.

I agree entirely with almost everything that you said, probably everything, ....but I don't believe that, by any stretch of the imagination, that is what Elihoenai was alluding too. His question was so vague and ambiguous, in regard to such a profound concept, that I highly doubt that he was leading to anything either valid, or within his comprehension?
...I believe that his later replies prove that i am correct.

 

[Cooper]

Are you saying that the God of the Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament is not the same God as the Greek Scriptures/New Testament?

The 1 God is rejected by most Jews. They killed God's prophets, fiddled the death of the Messiah, and they killed Isaiah for example by sawing him in half. How barbaric is that!
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[Elihoenai]

What is your point? It was false teaching!
N"then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

It could not be clearer. Circumsising is not needed for salvation.

I fully agree with those men from Judaea that you Must Be Circumcised To Be Saved. I fully agree with Paul, a divinely inspired Apostle of Elohim/God.

 

[Cooper]

It's the belief that the British People are descendants of the 10 Lost Tribes of Israel.


British Israelism

British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudoarchaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel.

British Israelism - Wikipedia

The ten tribe sought refuge among the people of other nations, fleeing from the people we know as Jews. Thrust out of the land by their own kith and kin. Dreadful!