Are You Free From The Law?

[Truther]

The mossaic law is actually a good thing and if practiced is to our benefit, the problem begins when man tries to justify himself upon his obedience to it.

And I'm not referring to sacrificial laws.

You are describing the partial Law doctrine. This is debunked by James

 

[Paul Christensen]

Matthew 1:21 King James Version (KJV)

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.


Indeed, in the Flesh you are condemned by the Law. True Discipleship saves a person from their Sins.

"True discipleship" saving a person from their sins? How does that equate to "By grace are we saved through faith, not of ourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works lest any should boast"?

I'm not doubting your faith, but just wanting clarification.

 

[Waiting on him]

You are describing the partial Law doctrine. This is debunked by James

I'm only presenting an opportunity, if God gave these laws to His choose people ( most for their health ) I'd say they're beneficial.

 

[Paul Christensen]

I'm only presenting an opportunity, if God gave these laws to His choose people ( most for their health ) I'd say they're beneficial.

We are all going to appear before Christ in the Judgment. I have realised that there is not two judgments. The Person on the great white throne is actually Christ. It cannot be the Father because the Father is a Spirit and invisible. No man has seen Him at any time.

What this means is that all of us will appear before the great white throne, and only those who have their names in the book of life will be kept out of the lake of fire.

We will be judged according to the requirements of the Ten Commandments. We will all be found guilty because none of us have kept the Commandments. But for those who are believing and trust in Christ's finished work on the cross, He will tell them, "I took your penalty, and though you are guilty, you can go free". But for those who rejected Him, He will say, "I took your penalty for sin on the cross, but you refused to believe, and you rejected me, and so being guilty like the others, the penalty is still yours to receive, so depart from Me you workers of iniquity into the lake of fire."

 

[Waiting on him]

We are all going to appear before Christ in the Judgment. I have realised that there is not two judgments. The Person on the great white throne is actually Christ. It cannot be the Father because the Father is a Spirit and invisible. No man has seen Him at any time.

What this means is that all of us will appear before the great white throne, and only those who have their names in the book of life will be kept out of the lake of fire.

We will be judged according to the requirements of the Ten Commandments. We will all be found guilty because none of us have kept the Commandments. But for those who are believing and trust in Christ's finished work on the cross, He will tell them, "I took your penalty, and though you are guilty, you can go free". But for those who rejected Him, He will say, "I took your penalty for sin on the cross, but you refused to believe, and you rejected me, and so being guilty like the others, the penalty is still yours to receive, so depart from Me you workers of iniquity into the lake of fire."

What if He decided to let all go free, how would that make you feel?

 

[Paul Christensen]

What if He decided to let all go free, how would that make you feel?

I wouldn't think of the value of His justice.

Do you think that child pornography is right?

 

[Renniks]

Deuteronomy 1:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 And it came to pass in the fortieth year, in the eleventh month, on the first day of the month, that Moses spake unto the children of Israel, according unto all that the Lord had given him in commandment unto them;


The Mosaic Laws are Elohim's/God's Laws.

Which Jesus completely fulfilled. The law was a shadow of the reality found in Christ.

 

[onlyme17]

Agree. We are totally free >>> to be bound to Him by the cords of love.

 

[Waiting on him]

I wouldn't think of the value of His justice.

Do you think that child pornography is right?

So you'd feel they didn't get what they deserved.

 

[Waiting on him]

Agree. We are totally free >>> to be bound to Him by the cords of love.

Welcome to the forum, is that some type of Robin in your avatar?

 

[onlyme17]

Welcome to the forum, is that some type of Robin in your avatar?

Thank you. And yes, it is known as the European Robin. The same that are often on Christmas cards , or used to be. They are small little things, much like a small sparrow, and very very friendly. They even sit on a spade while a person is digging, in hopes of seeing a worm.

 

[Paul Christensen]

So you'd feel they didn't get what they deserved.

So you believe child pornography is wrong...
How do you know it is wrong? And what is your basis for believing it is wrong?

 

[RogerDC]

Not entirely sure what your point is?
Do you mean that, if a person continues to sin that he will be judged by the Law. If so, that's wrong, for a Christian is under grace.

Why does Paul warn believers (Gal 5) thatt their sins can lead them to hell? Sounds like sin can destroy any "grace" and any hope of salvation they had.

 

[RogerDC]

No one can ever achieve a perfect sinless life here on earth...
This author did an excellent job of explaining scriptures on sin.
Can a Christian achieve sinless perfection? | CARM.org

Anything published by Matt Slick and CARM.org is spiritual poison.

 

[DNB]

Why does Paul warn believers (Gal 5) thatt their sins can lead them to hell? Sounds like sin can destroy any "grace" and any hope of salvation they had.

In context, it's one or the other. Grace saves sinners, and sinners defy repentance and grace. Both are true.

 

[RogerDC]

In context, it's one or the other. Grave saves sinners, and sinners defy repentance and grace. Both are true.

In Gal 5 ,Paul.warns believers that due to their sins, they may "not inherit the kingdom of God". In other words, neither their faith nor grace will save them.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Not entirely sure what your point is?
Do you mean that, if a person continues to sin that he will be judged by the Law. If so, that's wrong, for a Christian is under grace.

We will all have to keep the appointment of death. It is as if we are on death row all our lives. Then when we die, we will come before the great white judgment throne to be judged by our compliance with the Ten Commandment from our youth up.

Because non of us have been able to keep the Ten Commandment at any time, because God not only looks on the outward compliance, but on the thoughts of the heart. Even though we are converted to Christ, we still continue to break the Commandments by telling little white lies, taking that biro home from the office, saying "OMG", looking at persons with lust, wishing we could have what the Jones's have, not loving God with all our heart, soul and strength, being angry with someone without causes, and so on. Although we have forsaken the 'big' sins like habitual lying, theft, blasphemy, viewing pornography, fornication, hatred, jealousy, envy, and other works of the flesh, we will are tripped up by the "little foxes" every day, mostly without realising it. But these "iittle foxes" still come under God's strict justice, and when we stand before God in the judgment, we will be found guilty and will be subject to the same penalty as if we continued with the "big" sins.

But the difference will be that because we put our faith and trust in the finished work of Jesus on Calvary, our debt to sin has been paid by Him, and He has taken God's wrath, and the penalty for our sin on Himself. This means that when we are found guilty of sin in the judgment, we will not be sentenced to God's eternal prison without parole, and will be set free because there will be no penalty.

It is like a person standing before the court judge charged with serious crimes which brings a million dollars in fines. The judge will say, "You are guilty, but someone has come and paid the fine for you, so you can leave this court a free man".

Conversion to Christ does not magically change us into a different person on the outside. What changes in us are our hearts causing us to hate our own sinfulness, and to love holiness. This causes us to work as hard as we can with the grace and strength of the Holy Spirit to demonstrate that we are truly converted to Christ. It is not good works that will save us, but having been converted to Christ, we will demonstrate the truth of our conversion through the demonstration of a changed conduct resulting from a transformed heart.

 

[Elihoenai]

Jewish law is for Jews.
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Galatians 5:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.


That means United States being a Circumcised Nation is a Jewish Nation and is debtor to do the whole Law. Do you agree?

 

[Elihoenai]

Jesus is telling the Pharisees, that despite their outward appearance, they have wicked hearts.
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Matthew 5:20 King James Version (KJV)

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


The Pharisees are Righteous!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Acts 15:1 King James Version (KJV)

15 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

these were false teachers

It was these same people paul rebuked in Galations