Are you sending your neighbors to Hell?

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Matthias

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There is no consensus on what the Bible means.

On a large scale, the devil has seen to that.

The problem is easy to identify, as is the cause -> savage wolves [false teachers].

What is the solution? It isn’t what you’ve proposed, which stems from your belief that no one really knows what true doctrine is so let’s not let doctrine divide.

Doctrine unites and doctrine divides. “Let’s not insist on sound doctrine” is far removed from the thought of Jesus and Paul - which I demonstrated on WHT, and you mocked.
 

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If we are sensitive to God's leading we will know when to
Well yes, the closer we get to God, the more we know Him, the more we follow His lead. But when we receive God's thoughts and He inspires us to do something and we don't readily respond, what happens? Our thoughts and reasoning kick in and begin to analyze the situation and we mess up. We don't go with the first order given by Him, we alter the course. Sometimes it's difficult to differentiate God's thoughts with our own. So we pray more, examine the Word, try to make sense about what to do. Sometimes we just can't figure it out, we get confused.
But with this particular neighbor of mine, I did and got: "Dust the dirt off your sandals and move on".
The evil present in some seems to be by-passed by God. As in Romans 1, for some, God lets them go to their own demise. He let's them have what they want. This I do know, that if someone is on God's list to be saved, they will be saved regardless of our failures. We just don't know that we failed at all either. We could have said something significant that struck that person's heart, unknowingly and it stuck with them - and later, someone else picks up the baton and does more of God's work in that person's life. It's not all on our shoulders. He uses many people in a person's life to witness and minister to them and they maybe on their death bed when He finally opens their eyes and they repent.
So don't beat yourself up. I know I do not have the gift of evangelism, but we all contribute something to many people in our lives. "God causes all things to work together for good, for those who love God, for those who are called to His purpose."
 
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I love that story. Especially the statement... (from memory)
"Our God is able to save us, but even if he doesn't, we will not not bow..."
Even so... Are we able ever or always to act in the same way before and for our God?
I wonder about some of these characters in the Bible that, though doing evil deeds, helped fulfill the plans of God.
The plans of God...? Indeed, what is His whole plan? Some of those left hand actions may be difficult and seemingly impossible for us to understand. Are we ever some of these characters?
These soldiers (although they were following orders) King Nebuchadnezzar, the Pharoah of Egypt, Judas... (and others)
These things are some of the reasons we simply cannot fully understand God.
 

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The God of the religious leaders in Jesus day. Yahweh. = teaching of the Bible
Who Jesus said the father of the religious leaders was. The devil. = teaching of the Bible

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@Matthias won't talk about what Jesus said to the Jews-- 'Your father is the devil" and he won't acknowledge what scripture says about the God of their father.

Read Stephen's testimony in Acts 7. All of it.

And note this--- It's Moses that Stephen is talking about-- his leadership, and it's God who says>>>

‘It was not to me that you offered slain animals and sacrifices forty years in the wilderness, was it, house of Israel? But you took along the tabernacle of Moloch and the star of the god Rephan, the images you made to worship, but I will deport you beyond Babylon.’
 

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This sounds like a doctrine of Works to me .

much more is done on our knees , than blabbing what ‘we‘ believe someone should , or should not do.

Christianity is a believing , not a doing .
Much more is done for the kingdom by praying rather than saying .
we can’t nag someone else into heaven anyway …”No man comes unto the Father unless the Father draws him…”
Prayer through the Holy Spirit is a power house .
Our words , unless divinely anointed , are nothing but hot air.
Jews killing people, pray on their knees, it is nothing as evidenced in the gospel:



Luke 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


What is the humble way to thank God ?


To receive the kingdom of heaven as a little child...



Luke 18:15 And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.



We saw the rich exalted Pharisee sent away and the poor ( in spirit) man was accepted more.

The brother of low degree is exalted, the rich is sent empty away.


James 1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.



To be a doer and not deceive our own selves.

To look into the perfection of liberty ( what we are made free FOR) and CONTINUE THEREIN, a doer of the work, to be BLESSED IN OUR DEED...


James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
 

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Jesus calls His meek lambs, they do hear His voice, remember why that is people, it is because He cares for them and the good Shepherd gave HIs life for the sheep.



John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
 

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Perhaps the best evidence that no one really believes in a forever-burning Hell.
Or that no one really loves their neighbors. Take your pick.

If you really loved your neighbors, and believed in a forever-burning Hell, you wouldn't send them there.

I can hear the reply coming now. "I didn't send them to Hell, they sent themselves there."
Did you do anything to stop them? Did you convince them otherwise?
Did you live a life that made Christ attractive? I see...

Fortunately for me, I don't believe in a forever-burning Hell. Not really my problem.
Do you believe in a forever-burning Hell? (nope) If you did...

Or maybe you don't really love your neighbors. Seems to go hand-in-hand.
Just now seeing this thread although it’s a year old.

“Are you sending your neighbors to hell?” in context of hell and neighbors, if you mean literal … I can’t say since I haven’t really met all my neighbors yet(just moved). I see my neighbors out mowing and working in the yard, but I don’t know them well enough to send them to hell.
 

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Luke 10:29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
 

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Luke 10:29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

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The hero is who saves you to the UTTERMOST..

1 Thessalonians 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
 

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The hero is who saves you to the UTTERMOST..

1 Thessalonians 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Who is God?
 

Matthias

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Do we ask men who is God.

Why not?

The verse you quoted says “he is able to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him”.

He who is able is the Messiah -> Jesus of Nazareth.

Who is God? -> Yahweh, the God and Father of Jesus of Nazareth.

That would have been my answer to the question if someone had asked me.
 

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John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Ephesians 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
 

Matthias

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We ask God, who is God.

Is his answer not “Yahweh” when we do?

Wherefore [Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah] is able to save them to the uttermost that come unto [Yahweh, the God and Father of Jesus of Nazareth] by [Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah], seeing [Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah] ever liveth to make intercession for them.
 
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