Assisted dying

[Rockerduck]

Meaning Christians CAN actually stop sinning!

Unless of course they don't want to having a few pet sins they refuse to give up.

In that event all they gotta do is embrace the fake OSAS doctrines of the ear ticklers so they can feel good about themselves as they continue living in sin and try to keep themselves convinced that they will still go to Heaven

Jimmy Swaggart used to preach against OSAS all the time while hanging out with hookers. Never once said he lost his salvation.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jimmy Swaggart used to preach against OSAS all the time while hanging out with hookers. Never once said he lost his salvation.

many can say this or that and make true cliams and yet
in the dark of the night they embrace sin . But let us WHO are of THE LORD and NAME the NAME OF JESUS
depart FROM inquity .
In fact let it not once be named among you as becometh saints . TO the trenches rockerduck . The LORD is our hope and our salvation .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jimmy Swaggart used to preach against OSAS all the time while hanging out with hookers. Never once said he lost his salvation.

Trench time one and all . The hour is v ery very late now my friend . Our salvation is nearer than when
we first beleived . But all out persecutions are arising and the times will only get worse
TILL that ol sky rips As JESUS comes for His own and to lay down with furious rebukes the great wr ath of GOD
ag ainst all that denied Him .
Seeing none of us should desire the death of any or their destruction ,
WELL ITS JESUS POINTING TIME . Cause false hope is just that ITS FALSE and budda nor any other can save .
IF WE BELIEVE THE GOSPEL , THEN WE WOULD have preached it and not have allowed
a harlots love to be embraced . SO armour on cause we got us a battle to contend for the true faith .
And let us always remember , GOD IS NOT of the darkness , CHRIST is not of the darkness
The HOLY SPIRIT is not of the darkness . SO HE IS NOT GONNA ACCEPT ANY SIN .
For rebellion is as the SIN of witchcraft .
JESUS dont hold rainbows of the diverse inclusive crowd . HE DONT honor ANY SIN .
HE WILL NEVER CALL EVIL GOOD AND GOOD EVIL either .
So if anyone has come to a jesus that accepts ANY sin , THEN know and understand why I DONT capitlize that jesus .
ITS A LIE and it cannot save them who hoped in it either . It was lip service to a god and a jesus
that simply accepted their sin and called it good . AND again THAT AINT GOD OR CHRIST . Its the one who tempted eve
in the garden just USING that name to go with the ever changing flow of society . IT WILL END THEM ALL ON JESUS DAY TOO .

 

[Triumph1300]

All the calamities came on them, yet they did not return to the Lord.

Maybe that's why I see all the weird weather reports on the daily US evening news?

 

[Triumph1300]

1 John 1:8​

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

[amigo de christo]

Maybe that's why I see all the weird weather reports on the daily US evening news?

The wrath of GOD shall come upon them all .
For though HE called they did not an swer
And to the saints who came to correct them THEY WOULD NOT HEED .
If you know of anyone that is in any way connected to anything ecumeincal and its inferfaith
Let them be warned , for it has taught massive rebellion of the upmost and many have loved a harlots love .
God will never
thus CHRIST would never
THUS THE SPIRIT WOULD NEVER call evil good and good evil . SO calling GOD A LIAR is NOT GOOD OR LOVE .
but to a harlot she does JUST THAT and she calls it love as EVEN JESUS IS DENIED and UNBELEIF embraced
along with a skew of other sins in the name of what they call love and loving , tolerant and tolerance .
BUT WHERE has their love and their tolerance led them .....
TO a deep and deeper hatred of the TRUTH . As now parts of even the bible are omitted as hate speech
AS NOW EVEN GOD ALL MIGHTY IS ON TRIAL in their churches and condemned as a hater .
AND they have NO IDEA AT ALL who the ISRAEL OF GOD EVEN IS . and are now being led
by means of anti christ peace RIGHT TO THE DAY Of their own destruction . YEAH , ITS THAT BAD my friend .
ITS THAT BAD . they have put light for darkness , they have for hate for love and now condemn
THE ONE TRUE GOD and HIS CHRIST and his saints .

 

[amigo de christo]

1 John 1:8​

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

THEY who justify THEIR SIN , ARE DOING EXACTLY THAT my friend .
WE have not sinned , And they use the very name of GOD and of CHRIST to justify their sin
and call evil good and good evil .
But that IS NOT what a sheep does . WHEN it errs and sins IT IS CONVICTED and let to repentance OF said sin .
THEY JUSTIFY daily THEIR SINS and EVEN SAY G OD DOES . that wont end well . I PROMISE US ALL it wont END WELL AT ALL
for them . IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS HE is faithful and just to forgive us .
NOT IF WE JUSTIFY THEM . woe woe woe unto those who follow a harlots love for she has led
them from darkness INTO GREATER DARKNESS and from rebellion unto GREATER REBELLION .
TILL THEIR INQUITY has BECOME HATEFUL . we are RUNNING OUT OF TIME . OH I TELL US ALL
THIS ENTIRE WORLD is RUNNING OUT OF TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

1 John 1:8​

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

AND what is the Sin that led to the removal of lucifcer . PRIDE .
PRIDE .
PRIDE .
Many are puffed up and walk in pride and follow men and a man OF GREAT PRIDE .
SO FULL OF PRIDE that one was
WHEN he was asked , have you ever asked GOD for forgivenss .
HE SAID HE DIDNT THINK HE DID ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE HIS FORGIVENSS . THAT IS PRIDE big time PRIDE .

 

[amigo de christo]

1 John 1:8​

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Have you ever asked GOD for forgivness . I sure hope your answer in no way
resembles the very answer of a man who said HE DIDNT THINK HE has ever done anything THAT WOULD require
GODS FORGIVENESS . EVEN KING DAVID had to repent and ask f orgivness .
WHO does this man believe he is .............
PRIDE
REBELLIOUS
INSOLENT
DECEIVED
EGOFILLED .
That spells THE PRIDE of this man . Something has went dead wrong too .
Cause in all my days
WICKED as the liberal left is and their churches are
I NEVER SEEN what i seen that has now occured on the RIGHT .
A RELIGOIN that serves and holds a man as though HE BE GOD . And yet
they dont realize that is what has been done .
But allow their queen paula white to sum it up . IF TRUMP SAYS IT GOD SAID IT . that scares the daylights out of me for them .
No wonder they EMBRACE ecumeincal intefaith and its anti christ lie .
BOTH sides actually do that . But what i seen on the right and its connection to said man
OUGHT TO HAVE NEVER BEEN DONE .

 

[quietthinker]

Meaning Christians CAN actually stop sinning!

Unless of course they don't want to having a few pet sins they refuse to give up.

In that event all they gotta do is embrace the fake OSAS doctrines of the ear ticklers so they can feel good about themselves as they continue living in sin and try to keep themselves convinced that they will still go to Heaven

Selfishness is the cause of our sin.....and the judgement of others is one of its fruits.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Have you ever asked GOD for forgivness . I sure hope your answer in no way
resembles the very answer of a man who said HE DIDNT THINK HE has ever done anything THAT WOULD require
GODS FORGIVENESS . EVEN KING DAVID had to repent and ask f orgivness .
WHO does this man believe he is .............
PRIDE
REBELLIOUS
INSOLENT
DECEIVED
EGOFILLED .
That spells THE PRIDE of this man . Something has went dead wrong too .
Cause in all my days
WICKED as the liberal left is and their churches are
I NEVER SEEN what i seen that has now occured on the RIGHT .
A RELIGOIN that serves and holds a man as though HE BE GOD . And yet
they dont realize that is what has been done .
But allow their queen paula white to sum it up . IF TRUMP SAYS IT GOD SAID IT . that scares the daylights out of me for them .
No wonder they EMBRACE ecumeincal intefaith and its anti christ lie .
BOTH sides actually do that . But what i seen on the right and its connection to said man
OUGHT TO HAVE NEVER BEEN DONE .

@amigo de christo

 

[PS95]

Looks as if they are going to introduce a bill in parliament for this, it was voted for yesterday and got approved.
I honestly sit in the middle with some of it , watching many suffer makes you aware that end of life is horrible sometimes. Also are we sometimes contributing to that death by putting in drivers with morphine in it anyway, we know it speeds things up.
Life/ Death is complicated with all the medical help available for sustains life , do we play God anyway.
Be interested in your views - do they ever discuss this issue in your countries ?
Would you vote for or against it ?
Would you want that option if you had terminal cancer, or dementia or a progressive illness that would make you decline in an awful way ?
Just to give context, at the moment it will only be those with 6months or less to live that will be given the option., However I think, in time, it could change and become a slippery slope

I have not read this whole thread, so forgive me if this is already known. I am not in one of the states where it is legal- however it happens and it had nothing to do with 6 mos to live.

My mom was a JW, so she had an extensive medical directive due to their complicated blood doctrine. .which just recently changed again.
She had a stroke in 2019- she was conscious though and could speak although we could not understand her. They said she was paralyzed on her right side. Her medical directive said- no life sustaining measures

Well, the same exact thing happened to her mother in the 90s, so I knew what to expect. She would need therapy- the sooner the better if she was to be given a chance to recover her speech--She would need care round the clock... assistance in personal hygiene, wheel chair bound, etc.. My grandmother lived 10 years that way.

Then, a doctor said that my mom could not swallow. I thought she could, and my sister gave my mom ice chips which she chewed and swallowed all day. But they refused to give her any food to see. My one sibling and I tried to convince them to give her something to eat again and again, but they refused. They said she would choke. We even argued that she was in the perfect setting to be helped if she did choke. They simply would not hear us.
They also refused to give her any therapy to recover her speech. She talked a lot, and was full of energy- but none of it was discernable to anyone.
I had been shunned for many years due to not being a JW, so I didn't really feel I had a say in this any further. My mom would not have wanted me involved. So, I stepped back and let my JW siblings make the decisions from then on. I was there if they wanted to include me, but they did not.

It was decided to put my mom in hospice, and she was given no water and no food. She suffered and died a little over a week later. My one JW sibling disagreed with them the entire time- and they fought- but it was 4 to 2, and my mom had given authority to decide care to her youngest child.

So, we watched her struggle and suffer until her kidneys failed from no water. She was given something that made her sleep, but she woke frequently and cried out and feel back to sleep.
They gave her morphine when the death rattle came- which seems to have stopped her heart.

I saw all of this as awful of course-- I saw it as killing her because there was no other way to see it.

She would have been disabled- yes. The youngest who made the final decision said she would not want to live disabled. The clincher was the "inability to swallow" which was considered life- sustaining. I will never know why no one would let her try to eat.

I don't know when it became legal to decide this stuff but clearly it happens. The nurses were very matter of fact- none of it was abnormal to them.
I don't know anymore what to think. I do agree that my mom didn't want to live the way her mother did. It was hard. Was that up to her? But could she eat? I will never know.
I do know that they killed her. There is no way around that.

Edited to add- my mom recognized all of us - she even yelled at me which was the norm although in gibberish, so as far we could see there was no brain damage other than her speech. My grandmother had the same issue. Therapy helped her speech some.

 

[Rita]

I have not read this whole thread, so forgive me if this is already known. I am not in one of the states where it is legal- however it happens and it had nothing to do with 6 mos to live.

My mom was a JW, so she had an extensive medical directive due to their complicated blood doctrine. .which just recently changed again.
She had a stroke in 2019- she was conscious though and could speak although we could not understand her. They said she was paralyzed on her right side. Her medical directive said- no life sustaining measures

Well, the same exact thing happened to her mother in the 90s, so I knew what to expect. She would need therapy- the sooner the better if she was to be given a chance to recover her speech--She would need care round the clock... assistance in personal hygiene, wheel chair bound, etc.. My grandmother lived 10 years that way.

Then, a doctor said that my mom could not swallow. I thought she could, and my sister gave my mom ice chips which she chewed and swallowed all day. But they refused to give her any food to see. My one sibling and I tried to convince them to give her something to eat again and again, but they refused. They said she would choke. We even argued that she was in the perfect setting to be helped if she did choke. They simply would not hear us.
They also refused to give her any therapy to recover her speech. She talked a lot, and was full of energy- but none of it was discernable to anyone.
I had been shunned for many years due to not being a JW, so I didn't really feel I had a say in this any further. My mom would not have wanted me involved. So, I stepped back and let my JW siblings make the decisions from then on. I was there if they wanted to include me, but they did not.

It was decided to put my mom in hospice, and she was given no water and no food. She suffered and died a little over a week later. My one JW sibling disagreed with them the entire time- and they fought- but it was 4 to 2, and my mom had given authority to decide care to her youngest child.

So, we watched her struggle and suffer until her kidneys failed from no water. She was given something that made her sleep, but she woke frequently and cried out and feel back to sleep.
They gave her morphine when the death rattle came- which seems to have stopped her heart.

I saw all of this as awful of course-- I saw it as killing her because there was no other way to see it.

She would have been disabled- yes. The youngest who made the final decision said she would not want to live disabled. The clincher was the "inability to swallow" which was considered life- sustaining. I will never know why no one would let her try to eat.

I don't know when it became legal to decide this stuff but clearly it happens. The nurses were very matter of fact- none of it was abnormal to them.
I don't know anymore what to think. I do agree that my mom didn't want to live the way her mother did. It was hard. Was that up to her? But could she eat? I will never know.
I do know that they killed her. There is no way around that.

Edited to add- my mom recognized all of us - she even yelled at me which was the norm although in gibberish, so as far we could see there was no brain damage other than her speech. My grandmother had the same issue. Therapy helped her speech some.

So sorry, what a very difficult situation. I am presuming that it was your mums wish to have ‘ no life sustaining measures ‘. I know when I worked in the care home if a directive was not followed it would become a legal problem. The carers and nurses were bound to what was on the notes.
My dad wanted to be resuscitated , even at 91 and I had to respect his choice despite the fact his quality of life would have been impacted if it happened. I felt strongly that he would have hated it but in the end I didn’t have to face that as he died from an infection of the pancreas.

 

[PS95]

So sorry, what a very difficult situation. I am presuming that it was your mums wish to have ‘ no life sustaining measures ‘. I know when I worked in the care home if a directive was not followed it would become a legal problem. The carers and nurses were bound to what was on the notes.
My dad wanted to be resuscitated , even at 91 and I had to respect his choice despite the fact his quality of life would have been impacted if it happened. I felt strongly that he would have hated it but in the end I didn’t have to face that as he died from an infection of the pancreas.

Yes, that was her wish. Eating is considered life sustaining, of course. My problem with it was that she was drinking water and chewing ice chips, so how could they say she could not swallow food without trying? I never got an answer.
In the end the best thing happened, so she didn't have to live in a way that she didn't want to. She was 89 which is a long life.
It's just that restricting water (and food) but especially water until a person dies seemed so cruel and inhumane. Every day when I went there I thought- she has had no water... it felt wrong. She was struggling.
Ok, thanks for explaining about the nurses. I could never do their job that's for sure. Good for you that you could! God has gifted us all differently! They had 2 drugs- Tylenol and Morphine. So perhaps she had low dose morphine which made her sleepy. Thanks for the thread. I haven't spoken about this decision before. I wasn't sure what to make of it. I just tried not to think about it. I think it was good to get it out.

I'm sorry about your dad, Rita. Funny how opposite people can be. I still miss my dad to this day, and he died 20 yrs ago.
One day, we won't have these awful discussions.

 

[Hillsage]

@Rita
I'll call finding your thread yesterday a 'God-incidence'. Some here will say 'coincidence', and of course there's always those who want to blame 'the devil' along with everyone else 'they disagree with'. But, we were on our 750 mile drive back home after spending a week at Mayo's in Rochester. I checked in to a couple dying thread's and then deleted them. I'm still sparring with one 'punch drunk' who thinks if he has the last post, he won because he is still standing...but clueless....IN MY OPINION of course.

I wasn't going to read 6 pages to get caught up, but I did read every one of yours, and a few differing contributors. But I do want to say, I appreciate the thread and your honesty in sharing your story. My Mayo story is, I got the diagnosis that fits in here well enough. I get to go back again in a few weeks to see if my second diagnosis is Lewy body dementia, which has a 5-10 year prognosis for me, at my age. But I decided a year ago that I am not going to let the "serpent" take me out one bite at a time, being the "dust" that I am. That, along with bankrupting my family's inheritance trying get one more breath out of me. I've had a lot of talks with "my Lord and my God". And the 'words' I'm hearing from the one who 'word' counts the most, give me total peace.

The biggest question now is, do I hit send.......

 

[PS95]

@Rita
I'll call finding your thread yesterday a 'God-incidence'. Some here will say 'coincidence', and of course there's always those who want to blame 'the devil' along with everyone else 'they disagree with'. But, we were on our 750 mile drive back home after spending a week at Mayo's in Rochester. I checked in to a couple dying thread's and then deleted them. I'm still sparring with one 'punch drunk' who thinks if he has the last post, he won because he is still standing...but clueless....IN MY OPINION of course.

I wasn't going to read 6 pages to get caught up, but I did read every one of yours, and a few differing contributors. But I do want to say, I appreciate the thread and your honesty in sharing your story. My Mayo story is, I got the diagnosis that fits in here well enough. I get to go back again in a few weeks to see if my second diagnosis is Lewy body dementia, which has a 5-10 year prognosis for me, at my age. But I decided a year ago that I am not going to let the "serpent" take me out one bite at a time, being the "dust" that I am. That, along with bankrupting my family's inheritance trying get one more breath out of me. I've had a lot of talks with "my Lord and my God". And the 'words' I'm hearing from the one who 'word' counts the most, give me total peace.

The biggest question now is, do I hit send.......

I'm glad you hit send. My prayer for you is that you will keep a sense of humor and that deep deep peace in love with the Lord no matter what. Somehow, I do think you will even without my prayer.
--We aren't getting out of here alive!-- Take one day at a time, grace upon grace. One day we will all meet.

 

[Rita]

Yes, that was her wish. Eating is considered life sustaining, of course. My problem with it was that she was drinking water and chewing ice chips, so how could they say she could not swallow food without trying? I never got an answer.
In the end the best thing happened, so she didn't have to live in a way that she didn't want to. She was 89 which is a long life.
It's just that restricting water (and food) but especially water until a person dies seemed so cruel and inhumane. Every day when I went there I thought- she has had no water... it felt wrong. She was struggling.
Ok, thanks for explaining about the nurses. I could never do their job that's for sure. Good for you that you could! God has gifted us all differently! They had 2 drugs- Tylenol and Morphine. So perhaps she had low dose morphine which made her sleepy. Thanks for the thread. I haven't spoken about this decision before. I wasn't sure what to make of it. I just tried not to think about it. I think it was good to get it out.

I'm sorry about your dad, Rita. Funny how opposite people can be. I still miss my dad to this day, and he died 20 yrs ago.
One day, we won't have these awful discussions.

I was not A Nurse or carer in the care home ( Well I started as a carer and then transferred to housekeeping ) I used to dislike watching the residents in end of life, like you not drinking or eating. However what I noticed was that it was often the persons choice not to take water - so I think they reach a point where the body wills it. This is when I honestly side with euthanasia - rather than suffer slowly for a week or two.
I lost my mum 16years ago, really miss her, and my dad in 2022. I loss my mum and became my dads carer overnight as he had a heart attack the day she died. Thankfully I just lived up the road , but for ten years i juggled full time work with taking care of him - I think I was ready to let that role go so it’s was a different kind of grief with my dad.
Yes, one day no more suffering xxx

 

[Rita]

@Rita
I'll call finding your thread yesterday a 'God-incidence'. Some here will say 'coincidence', and of course there's always those who want to blame 'the devil' along with everyone else 'they disagree with'. But, we were on our 750 mile drive back home after spending a week at Mayo's in Rochester. I checked in to a couple dying thread's and then deleted them. I'm still sparring with one 'punch drunk' who thinks if he has the last post, he won because he is still standing...but clueless....IN MY OPINION of course.

I wasn't going to read 6 pages to get caught up, but I did read every one of yours, and a few differing contributors. But I do want to say, I appreciate the thread and your honesty in sharing your story. My Mayo story is, I got the diagnosis that fits in here well enough. I get to go back again in a few weeks to see if my second diagnosis is Lewy body dementia, which has a 5-10 year prognosis for me, at my age. But I decided a year ago that I am not going to let the "serpent" take me out one bite at a time, being the "dust" that I am. That, along with bankrupting my family's inheritance trying get one more breath out of me. I've had a lot of talks with "my Lord and my God". And the 'words' I'm hearing from the one who 'word' counts the most, give me total peace.

The biggest question now is, do I hit send.......

Glad you shared x
So sorry to read what you are facing, more so that you may have Lewy body dementia as well. I worked on the dementia floor of the care home most of the time. Will you keep us posted- will add you to my prayer list. Keep fighting, and keep listening to The Lords words.

 

[ProDeo]

Looks as if they are going to introduce a bill in parliament for this, it was voted for yesterday and got approved.
I honestly sit in the middle with some of it , watching many suffer makes you aware that end of life is horrible sometimes. Also are we sometimes contributing to that death by putting in drivers with morphine in it anyway, we know it speeds things up.
Life/ Death is complicated with all the medical help available for sustains life , do we play God anyway.
Be interested in your views - do they ever discuss this issue in your countries ?
Would you vote for or against it ?
Would you want that option if you had terminal cancer, or dementia or a progressive illness that would make you decline in an awful way ?
Just to give context, at the moment it will only be those with 6months or less to live that will be given the option., However I think, in time, it could change and become a slippery slope

Yes, your last sentence says it all, slippery slope, I live here, I know, every time a little step further.

 

[Hillsage]

Glad you shared x
So sorry to read what you are facing, more so that you may have Lewy body dementia as well. I worked on the dementia floor of the care home most of the time. Will you keep us posted- will add you to my prayer list. Keep fighting, and keep listening to The Lords words.

Rita,
I just got back from our second visit to Mayo's, and just decided to check out this thread again. Looks like it didn't really go anywhere since. But I still wanted to respond to 'our' last post. Now I see you asked me to 'keep you all posted', so I will. But I'll limit tags to just those who did respond to my one post.
@TLHKAJ @amigo de christo @Lambano @PS95

The last Neurologist we talked to Friday morning said Lewy Body Dementia is definitely off the list. That was the one where prognosis was "poor".....I'll agree with that. From my reading, it was 'no cure, but a good possibility of death after aspirating your own vomit...but if you survived that, it was to then die of pneumonia.' I wasn't going that route. But I didn't leave Mayo's with an "All is well." dx., either. They want me back in the Fall to be seen by a Dysautonomia Neurologist. He is booked out that far. Google says only 52-72 in the US.

Thank you again for this thread Rita. I hope all is well with you.