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No, they didn't.heretoeternity said:Didn't they find the Ark in the mountains of Ararat, in Turkey, just where the Bible said it is? There were expeditions there in the 70's to dig it up..apparently there is something there that resembles a big boat, about the size of the Biblical Ark...check it out!
A Christian expedition in 2010 "National Geographics" are the latest to go to the site on Mt Ararat...and definitely think they have it..pictures even..of course it is sunk and is buried in the dirt, but the outline is visibleNo, they didn't.
It looks to me like you're ceding pretty much all of the earth and life sciences to atheism. Is that really what you want to do?Skitnik said:This is an add I posted on local Craigslist:
Atheists are the most religious bunch of people I have ever met. Yes atheism is a full blown, certifiable religion with all the attributes of one.
“god” – Chance
“prophet” – Darving
“holy book” – Origin of Species
“salvation” – absence of need for one. People are just biological automatons and there is nothing to save after death.
I mean to actually believe that there was nothing then “bang” it became everything…! That is not even sane.
??????????? Again, why are you equating scientific research with atheism? And the link you provided says "Science does try to investigate how life started (e.g., whether or not it happened near a deep-sea vent, which organic molecules came first, etc.)", which seems to be the opposite of what you claimed.Then there is a total quackery of evolution. While atheists do not even attempt to explain the origin of life they somehow “know” that it must have originated without involvement of any creating force.
http://www.evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/IAorigintheory.shtml
Because there's a fundamental difference between inanimate objects like watches and living organisms. You're arguing from the fallacy of false analogy.If was to tell atheist: “Here is a fine Swiss watch. It is Swiss because somewhere in Switzerland there was a pile of iron ore that fell into acidic pool of “primordial soup”, got struck by a lightning few times over millions of years and now I have this watch” he would call me insane yet to even consider that one live cell that is infinitely more complex than the finest of watches came together this way is sane?
I posted just that a while ago. Here it is again: Let's Get Some Facts on the TableEvolution was never observed or replicated. Every time question comes up to show an example of evolution inevitably something like “Darvin’s finches” comes up. Variation within a specie, micro evolution at best. Show me one example of macro-evolution, aka DA EVOLUTION. One specie becoming another or one example of genetic information becoming more complex on its own.
Why are you equating evolution with atheism, when the reality is that most "evolutionists" are theists?So to believe something that totally defies logic without one shred of evidence AND betting own life on it… I can only envy the level of totally blind religious, fanatical faith of an atheist!
The only thing I could find was THIS, which is Nat Geo reporting on some Christian explorers who claimed to have found the ark in 2010, but it's since been widely labeled a hoax, even by fundamentalist young-earth creationists.heretoeternity said:A Christian expedition in 2010 "National Geographics" are the latest to go to the site on Mt Ararat...and definitely think they have it..pictures even..of course it is sunk and is buried in the dirt, but the outline is visible
and the size is consistent with the
Biblical account. Who knows...the Bible says it exists so google it for yourself!
Amrak,Amrak said:I have a hard time trying to tell my friends that one day we will find the ark and proove the existence. They argue that so much rain in 40 days is impossible, and also they ball off about dinosaurs, and how did the animal fit etc.
So, it is true that so much rain in 40 days would not cover all of the earth to 15 cubits above the mountains (Gen 7:20). Fifteen cubits is about 23 feet or 6.8 metres. This is what God said happened, 'All the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens opened' (Gen 8:11 NIV). So it took the supernatural acts of God to cause a worldwide flood to cover all the mountain and kill all the people on earth, except for Noah and his family.Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth (Gen 6:11-13 NIV).
Deborah,Deborah_ said:Personally, I think it's highly unlikely that anything would be left of the Ark.
Think about it... when Noah and his family finally disembarked and wanted to offer sacrifices to God, where (with the environment devastated) did they get the wood from to light a fire? Wood coated with pitch would burn very nicely, and the Ark would provide them with a ready source of fuel for some considerable time.
I guess I have a small "problem" according to you - I believe God.River Jordan said:It looks to me like you're ceding pretty much all of the earth and life sciences to atheism. Is that really what you want to do?
??????????? Again, why are you equating scientific research with atheism? And the link you provided says "Science does try to investigate how life started (e.g., whether or not it happened near a deep-sea vent, which organic molecules came first, etc.)", which seems to be the opposite of what you claimed.
Because there's a fundamental difference between inanimate objects like watches and living organisms. You're arguing from the fallacy of false analogy.
I posted just that a while ago. Here it is again: Let's Get Some Facts on the Table
Why are you equating evolution with atheism, when the reality is that most "evolutionists" are theists?
Skitnik,Skitnik said:[SIZE=14pt]This is an add I posted on local Craigslist: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Atheists are the most religious bunch of people I have ever met. Yes atheism is a full blown, certifiable religion with all the attributes of one.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“god” – Chance[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“prophet” – Darving[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“holy book” – Origin of Species[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]“salvation” – absence of need for one. People are just biological automatons and there is nothing to save after death.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] I mean to actually believe that there was nothing then “bang” it became everything…! That is not even sane. Every time this point comes up atheists immediately go into “you too” mode and start ridiculing by bringing up stories from the Bible. Do not “shame” me with the Bible. Let’s say I am just a very generic theist. I just sanely conclude that there had to be somebody creating at least the very original components of everything and setting in place order and laws of physics. Also, if atheism is such a superior belief system why does it need to lower itself to the level of “you too” arguments even comparing itself to some religious dogmas! Such a superior belief system should be able to stand on its own does it not?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] Becoming theist is the first step in a journey of sane mind. Next step is trying to find Creator and what He is like.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] Then there is a total quackery of evolution. While atheists do not even attempt to explain the origin of life they somehow “know” that it must have originated without involvement of any creating force.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]http://www.evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/IAorigintheory.shtml[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] If was to tell atheist: “Here is a fine Swiss watch. It is Swiss because somewhere in Switzerland there was a pile of iron ore that fell into acidic pool of “primordial soup”, got struck by a lightning few times over millions of years and now I have this watch” he would call me insane yet to even consider that one live cell that is infinitely more complex than the finest of watches came together this way is sane?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wmhiq25MqU[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] Evolution was never observed or replicated. Every time question comes up to show an example of evolution inevitably something like “Darvin’s finches” comes up. Variation within a specie, micro evolution at best. Show me one example of macro-evolution, aka DA EVOLUTION. One specie becoming another or one example of genetic information becoming more complex on its own. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] So to believe something that totally defies logic without one shred of evidence AND betting own life on it… I can only envy the level of totally blind religious, fanatical faith of an atheist! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] Yes, I will remind you about Pascal’s Wager too. The only “response” I get from atheists is the roll of eyes and “Oh its that again” but never an intelligent answer.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] Without being able to explain origin of anything (matter, order, life) “sane”, “rational” atheists, inevitably become either “alien worshipers” (“Aliens created us”. Another new religion with Zecharia Sitchin as a “prophet”. Well who created aliens and what if they show up with their own ten commandments? What if it is a hundred and ten?) or rapidly growing ranks of Satan worshipers. (Yes, there is a Creator but he is just an egoistic control freak who creates everything and everybody for enslavement by him and his amusement. It is a good and pure hearted Lucifer who wants to set us free). Yes it is a rapidly growing “alternative” to atheism now that promise of god-like immortality seems to be within reach.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] Insane atheists are just staying insane. Hey, what can one expect from an overgrown monkey?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] P.S. for Christians.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] If you want to debate or reach out to an atheist you cannot use “God is real because Bible says so” argument. To an atheist Bible is no more proof of existence of God then Wizard of Oz is a proof that flying monkeys exist. I have seen Christians try to do that but all they do instead is get opposite result to what they try to achieve. Immediately atheists sink their teeth into this argument and start ridiculing the Bible. As you may guess I got a good amount of hate mail as a reply to my post on Craigslist. Inevitably all E-mails begin with “Yeah…and a Bible says this… “. When I tell them that I am not religious they are at a loss. (I am not lying to them, to me Christianity is a belief system, relationship with Christ and not a religion since Christianity saved no one, Jesus saved many). They are stumped, do not know what to say and all they can do from then on is use obscenities, profanities and names. The only other “argument” I have encountered is “Atheism is based on MANY different theories”, trying to talk down to me as if I am too stupid to understand but then all you have to do is to remind them that it does not matter how many theories they have, they are all just that…. THEORIES![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] See, the only way atheists “defend” their beliefs is by attacking legitimacy of a belief system of an opponent. Atheism cannot stand on its own, their belief system is based on nothing, only denial of other belief systems. It is like a bubble sustained only by air pressure it is pressing against. You take that away and a bubble of atheism pops, revealing nothing on the inside. Many choose to live in that bubble, do not make it easier for them with well-meaning but wrongly applied arguments.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=14pt] Origin of things is the downfall of atheism. If you do not know where everything came from then how can you tell somebody who does know that they are wrong? Cannot counter something with nothing, so atheism can only attack others and cannot defend itself. If the question is “who created God?” then where did matter come from? If one can have totally irrational belief that nothing became everything without Creator being involved then my belief is much more rational: I believe that there is a Creator and His eternal nature is beyond my comprehension since I am not eternal.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt] Also, some of the smarter atheists use tricks to figure out which belief system you are coming from. They say something like: “There are unicorns in the Bible” and the moment you say “Show me where?” attack on the Bible and Christianity begins. Do not fall for it.[/SIZE]
I have not met one of those yet but I did get pages and pages of furious replies, most of them profane.Born_Again said:. A lot of acclaimed atheist are very intelligent people