All businesses, civil society, governments and religions all submit to these UN`s moral values.
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Spiritual Israelite
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Why do you so often not answer questions according to what was actually asked? I asked if you think that people of other religions will give up their religions for this one world religion? Or do you think they stay loyal to their religions and this supposed one world religion at the same time?
Sorry SI, that I wasn`t clearer for you. I thought I did answer your question. Let me try again.
No one gives up their religion for the One World Religion. Mystery Babylon is the mother of prostitutes. And they are all the religions of the world. The UN is the `mother,` the one over them all. They all bow to its moral values.
Davy
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But in reality, the U.N. is simply another tool..., like Communism, designed to bring in Satan's future one-world beast kingdom of Rev.13:1.
Rev.17 reveals the Babylon Harlot is actually a 'city', the "great city". It will be Jerusalem, because that is where God's Word reveals Satan's headquarters for his beast system will operate over all nations from. But it is not here yet today; Satan's workers are still working at bringing their one world government beast kingdom. The U.N. is but a model for it. And for non-Christian political types, they don't know God's Word, so they are totally ignorant about the Revelation 13:1 beast and the Revelation 17 Babylon Harlot "great city" ideas. So those in Christ who study His Word are supposed to have an advantage in understanding how the real Babylon Harlot will be Jerusalem when the false-Messiah shows up to possess it at the end of this world.
Hi Davy,
I agree. Eventually the economic and religious infrastructure will go over to the rebuilt city of Babylon. (Zech. 5: 5 - 11) Then the 10 kings will get rid of the UN. (Rev. 17: 16)
Wick Stick
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Definitely not. A quarter of the world is Islam, and they definitely aren't aligned with the UN. China and India are the world's two largest populations, and they don't.
It's just Europe and America, and even in America small businesses and more than half of Christendom don't go that way.
Wick Stick
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But bit by bit it is coming under the `earth` religion of the UN. The Chinese Government has introduced rules and regulations for sustainable standards and businesses are starting to comply.
And the WCC (World Council of Churches) is also a part of the UN. It is bowing to the `earth` religion of the UN. It is seeking `justice and peace` through man`s systems instead of God. And `justice` means for LGB etc, the mum and not unborn, for the environment above people etc. and `peace,` means obeying the UN`s moral values/laws.
God says - `Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship (partnership/compliance) with the world (system) is enmity with God? ` (James 4: 4)
If you go to a religious public meeting, then check out the organization as to what rules it has to comply with to have their tax-free benefit.
Davy
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My speculation at present for the coming 'beast' kingdom structure is like a pyramid. Satan on top as the "little horn" of Daniel 7 that will humble three of the ten kings, and then the remaining seven kings on the bottom. I see the seven kings over seven continents, the three kings over the earth divided into 3 separate type 'unions' (like the EU, an American Union, and an Asia-Pacific Union, a plan by the Trilateral Commission), and then of course Satan as the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah over it all with Jerusalem as his headquarters.
Hi Davy,
Interesting. yet we need to remember that God`s word says that the 10 kings are part of the 4th kingdom. (Dan. 7: 23 & 24) Yes, Satan controlling the A/C will eventually go over to Jerusalem, but before that the rebuilt Babylon is his headquarters. (Zech. 5: 11)
Davy
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Yet the Daniel 7:7-10 Scripture describes the 4th beast with "ten horns" being the final one also.
Dan 7:7-10
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
KJV
The above links to the Daniel 2:41-45 Scripture about the final beast of the feet of ten toes made up of part iron and part clay. It's the same "ten horns" of the final beast of Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17. The Daniel 2:41-45 Scripture reads similar to the above Daniel 7:9 verse with those ten thrones being thrown down and God's Kingdom setup by Christ instead, which of course points to Christ's still future 2nd coming.
Here’s a clue. The Historicists that thoughtlessly retained the beasts’ amill stance never grasped amill thoughtlessly supports just two groups when Christ returns. Amill can only exit by upholding there are just two groups when Christ returns. They failed to grasp the significance that Christ separates the bride from the goats when he sends his angels to gather her to himself in the clouds, which reveals there are three groups when Christ returns according to Matthew 25 and other passages in both Old and New Testaments. The third group is the nations that the saints and Christ rule over when he returns, which agrees with the historical evidence that Premillennialism was restored to its former prominence when the power of the beast, the papacy, was broken.Here is the profile of Joseph Mede. Copy/paste the excerpt referring to him as a Reformer. Display it in bold, red, italics so we'll be sure not to miss it.
Your faux historicism is not historical premil. It's a vile admixture of your own private personal cultism and modernist dispensational futurism, a diametric departure from true historic orthodox Christianity.
Paul described it in Galatians 1:8-9.
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You’re only projecting, SI, in your insult that I only have insults.
Projection is a psychological defense mechanism that involves attributing one’s undesirable traits, feelings, or impulses to other people.
For instance, someone who is dishonest might accuse others of being dishonest, thereby shifting attention away from their dishonesty.
By Saul McLeod, PhD.
You might want to think twice before accusing me of insults when you were the one calling me a Satanic cultist. It doesn’t get much worse than that with your buddy covenantee.
What happened was that you got a taste of your own medicine and you didn’t like it.
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Hi Marilyn. You make some good points, but the Historicist’s hermeneutic provides a greater interpretation. To begin, the evidence that Babylon is a harlot, is defined in Ezekiel and Jeremiah,
Ezekiel 16
2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations…
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
Jeremiah 3:
1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.
Only God’s covenant people can play the harlot role, insomuch as the beasts, heathen or “nations” by nature cannot fall from moral rectitude.
Furthermore, the merchants of the earth are made rich by the intercourse with the kings of the earth, and the luxurious living of the harlot,
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living." ESV
You might want to check out Ryan Reeves on YouTube in his The Importance of the Reformation video where he reveals the difference between the Magisterial faction of the Reformation, as opposed to the Radical. The former held intercourse with the kings of the earth which ultimately led to the enrichment of the church and the merchants through the secularization of society, while the latter were opposed to said ramification. Reeves makes the distinction, but I’ve gone further in my work to verify the Magisterial faction led to the enrichment of themselves, the merchants and to proliferation of daughters, the denominations of Protestantism.
Again, the UN cannot fall from moral rectitude and the merchants of the earth found their wealth when the Magisterial Protestants held intercourse with the kings of the earth long before the UN was even conceived.
We know from scripture that the beast from the earth is the false prophet,
Revelation 19
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. KJV
Revelation 13 reveals the beast that rises from the earth performs miracles before the beast that rises from the sea, which makes the beast from the earth the and the beast from the sea the two satanic antagonists that are cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 19, above. And we know it’s the beast that WAS AND IS NOT that makes war with Christ at his return from Revelation 17,
Revelation 17
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
So, we know the eighth head/king is also the beast that rises from the sea through all these cross-references. Therefore, the beast from the sea IS the head/king that WAS, AND IS NOT, AND YET IS in Revelation 17,
Revelation 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Again, this is also confirmed in Chapter 13,
Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
The passage makes it crystal clear the beast from the sea is the head/king that is wounded and healed. It can’t be the sixth head/king or the seventh head/king that is wounded and healed, but has to be one of the fallen five in Chapter 17 that is healed. Each of the heads/kings that had fallen WAS, AND IS NOT from John’s PERSPECTIVE, which make the risen eighth head/king one of the five that were fallen and the only one that is healed from John’s PERSPECTIVE.
There are many things that FUTURISM distorts and one of them is that John’s PERSPECTIVE is the first century, insomuch as the judgment of Babylon can’t be in the first century, during the time of the Roman emperors,
Revelation 17:
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
John is shown the judgment of the whore by one of the angels about to release the final plagues, which makes John’s PERSPECTIVE our time, not the first century. The whore is seen by John seated upon the scarlet beast at the time the sixth king IS–while the scarlet beast WAS AND IS NOT,
Revelation 17
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
In the end times, the scarlet beast—who is the beast from the sea—along with the false prophet–also known as the beast from the earth–and the whore of Babylon, are the primary antagonists when Christ returns.
So, tell us, Davy, HOW CAN JOHN’S PERSPECTIVE BE THE FIRST CENTURY?
Tell us, Davy, how can the FUTURE whore Babylon be seated on the scarlet beast at the time of the ROMAN EMPEROR DOMITIAN?
Tell us, Davy, how is it that the FUTURE antichrist WAS before the ROMAN EMPEROR DOMITIAN?
Tell us, Davy, how can the FUTURE antichrist be SATAN, when he was before all of the kings, not just the ROMAN EMPEROR DOMITIAN?
Tell us, Davy, how can Revelation 13 relate the healed antichrist given 42 months in contradiction to the evidence it is only given one hour when healed in Chapter 17?
When you can answer these questions with a rational explanation and without senseless ad hoc explanations you might convince me that FUTURISM is true, but until you do, I’m confident that Historicism can answer them with a ration explanation, which makes FUTURISM a false doctrine.
Revelation relates the antichrist rises in Chapter 13 and is given 42 months and then it is wounded. Chapter 17 illustrates the time it IS NOT or wounded, and the ten horn are no longer under its control, illustrated by the missing crowns on the horns. John was taken by the spirit into the future to see the judgment of the whore after the fifth head/king, the papacy, had fallen. The six kings are as follows: Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, the little horn/papacy, and then America. This Historicists view agrees with Daniel, FUTURIM doesn’t. It was America who led in wounding the papacy by separating church and state, secularizing society, becoming the beast that rises from the earth, the sixth king in Revelation 17. John was taken by the spirit to the time of the sixth king, America, and America is going to make the image to the first beast, the papacy, by breaking down the separation of church and state becoming the seventh king who reigns but a short span. Today we’re witnessing more and more American politicians and heads of state promoting restoring religion to its past exalted position in society, which will alter the separation of church and state, making an image to the papacy the seventh king in Revelation 17:9-11.
Here are just a few Historicists websites that support America is the beast that rises from the earth:
America and The Two Horned Beast of Revelation 13 - Spectrum Magazine
In 1630, Puritans left England with a charter for a new colony in Massachusetts, their new home in a new world where they could structure society in accordance to their view of God’s revealed plan for social conduct and religious worship.
spectrummagazine.org
When a Lamb Becomes a Dragon: The United States of America in Bible Prophecy | White Throne Ministries
"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." (Revelation 13:11)
whitethroneministries.org
ChurchAges.net - Revelation 13 - Rome rises on American power
ChurchAges.net - God sets a limit on evil. Rome and America spread the Mark of the Beast.
churchages.net
The USA in Bible Prophecy | New Revelation | Amazing Facts
Revelation 13 speaks of two powers that will persecute God's people. The first has been identified as the Roman Catholic Church. The second, the focus of this lesson, is the United States. This beast
www.amazingfacts.org
The USA in Bible Prophecy | Bible Study Guides | Bible Universe
America in Bible Prophecy - End Times Revelation
Here you will find out the Bible truth about America in Bible prophecy and the role of the USA in the End Times.
www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com
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Spiritual Israelite
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In your post #322 you said: "you've shared your Satanic belief that Christ is not reigning now several times..."
No, the mendacity is on your part, not mine.
Rockerduck
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The United States is not in Bible Prophesy. Those links are delusional.We know from scripture that the beast from the earth is the false prophet,
Revelation 19
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. KJV
Revelation 13 reveals the beast that rises from the earth performs miracles before the beast that rises from the sea, which makes the beast from the earth the and the beast from the sea the two satanic antagonists that are cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 19, above. And we know it’s the beast that WAS AND IS NOT that makes war with Christ at his return from Revelation 17,
Revelation 17
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
So, we know the eighth head/king is also the beast that rises from the sea through all these cross-references. Therefore, the beast from the sea IS the head/king that WAS, AND IS NOT, AND YET IS in Revelation 17,
Revelation 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Again, this is also confirmed in Chapter 13,
Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
The passage makes it crystal clear the beast from the sea is the head/king that is wounded and healed. It can’t be the sixth head/king or the seventh head/king that is wounded and healed, but has to be one of the fallen five in Chapter 17 that is healed. Each of the heads/kings that had fallen WAS, AND IS NOT from John’s PERSPECTIVE, which make the risen eighth head/king one of the five that were fallen and the only one that is healed from John’s PERSPECTIVE.
There are many things that FUTURISM distorts and one of them is that John’s PERSPECTIVE is the first century, insomuch as the judgment of Babylon can’t be in the first century, during the time of the Roman emperors,
Revelation 17:
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
John is shown the judgment of the whore by one of the angels about to release the final plagues, which makes John’s PERSPECTIVE our time, not the first century. The whore is seen by John seated upon the scarlet beast at the time the sixth king IS–while the scarlet beast WAS AND IS NOT,
Revelation 17
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
In the end times, the scarlet beast—who is the beast from the sea—along with the false prophet–also known as the beast from the earth–and the whore of Babylon, are the primary antagonists when Christ returns.
So, tell us, Davy, HOW CAN JOHN’S PERSPECTIVE BE THE FIRST CENTURY?
Tell us, Davy, how can the FUTURE whore Babylon be seated on the scarlet beast at the time of the ROMAN EMPEROR DOMITIAN?
Tell us, Davy, how is it that the FUTURE antichrist WAS before the ROMAN EMPEROR DOMITIAN?
Tell us, Davy, how can the FUTURE antichrist be SATAN, when he was before all of the kings, not just the ROMAN EMPEROR DOMITIAN?
Tell us, Davy, how can Revelation 13 relate the healed antichrist given 42 months in contradiction to the evidence it is only given one hour when healed in Chapter 17?
When you can answer these questions with a rational explanation and without senseless ad hoc explanations you might convince me that FUTURISM is true, but until you do, I’m confident that Historicism can answer them with a ration explanation, which makes FUTURISM a false doctrine.
Revelation relates the antichrist rises in Chapter 13 and is given 42 months and then it is wounded. Chapter 17 illustrates the time it IS NOT or wounded, and the ten horn are no longer under its control, illustrated by the missing crowns on the horns. John was taken by the spirit into the future to see the judgment of the whore after the fifth head/king, the papacy, had fallen. The six kings are as follows: Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, the little horn/papacy, and then America. This Historicists view agrees with Daniel, FUTURIM doesn’t. It was America who led in wounding the papacy by separating church and state, secularizing society, becoming the beast that rises from the earth, the sixth king in Revelation 17. John was taken by the spirit to the time of the sixth king, America, and America is going to make the image to the first beast, the papacy, by breaking down the separation of church and state becoming the seventh king who reigns but a short span. Today we’re witnessing more and more American politicians and heads of state promoting restoring religion to its past exalted position in society, which will alter the separation of church and state, making an image to the papacy the seventh king in Revelation 17:9-11.
Here are just a few Historicists websites that support America is the beast that rises from the earth:
America and The Two Horned Beast of Revelation 13 - Spectrum Magazine
In 1630, Puritans left England with a charter for a new colony in Massachusetts, their new home in a new world where they could structure society in accordance to their view of God’s revealed plan for social conduct and religious worship.
When a Lamb Becomes a Dragon: The United States of America in Bible Prophecy | White Throne Ministries
"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." (Revelation 13:11)
ChurchAges.net - Revelation 13 - Rome rises on American power
ChurchAges.net - God sets a limit on evil. Rome and America spread the Mark of the Beast.
The USA in Bible Prophecy | New Revelation | Amazing Facts
Revelation 13 speaks of two powers that will persecute God's people. The first has been identified as the Roman Catholic Church. The second, the focus of this lesson, is the United States. This beast
The USA in Bible Prophecy | Bible Study Guides | Bible Universe
www.bibleuniverse.com
America in Bible Prophecy - End Times Revelation
Here you will find out the Bible truth about America in Bible prophecy and the role of the USA in the End Times.www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com
Spiritual Israelite
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In my view all false doctrine is Satanic (doctrines of demons/devils), so I was not saying you are not a Christian or that you are part of a cult. I believe the false doctrine that Christ isn't reigning now is Satanic, but that doesn't mean I believe salvation is dependent on believing that Christ is reigning now as opposed to Him not reigning until He returns. A cultist would not believe that He ever reigns.
You misunderstood what I said just like you misunderstand much scripture.No, the mendacity is on your part, not mine.
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