Baptism And The holy Spirit ???

[Seasoned by Grace]

don't mean to get into your conversatation, but consider this,
is not Christ in us? and two is it you are christ who do the work? scripture, John 15:4 "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. John 15:5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:7 "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you".

what did the Lord say?, "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you". if we're in him and he in us HIS "WORDS" adide in us, and what did he say to them that abide in him? Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen".

Oh, so that's those "WORDS" of his in us.

PICJAG.

Yes your friend can baptise you. I baptised one of my friends and my husband and a Christian brother baptised somebody in our bath. Don't let the religious guys tell you different.

Thank you both for your replies.
I wasn't going to go any further with this, as to many want to get into a "heated battle', and God condemns that.
I am not a "fighter" but mearly want to express God's truth to those still learning and searching.
And, yes I too have baptized relatives and friends, just as you have.

God bless you for responding in Gods truth.
My name is OLIGOS

 

[Pianoworldstage]

Thank you for all your responses.. very debated, will meditate on Gods word and what will come from it.

God bless.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Hi

If i have a friend who is a true brother in Christ, can he baptize me?

Is it ppssible for a Christian to baptize themselves?

When does a believer receive the holy spirit, at the point of accepting Christ as Lord a saviour? Or at baptism?

Philip baptised the Ethiopian Eunuch. He didn't have to wait until one of the Apostles to come and do it. The commission of Jesus is to all believers to preach the gospel to every creature and to baptise in the name of Jesus. He did not say that believers should preach the gospel and then get some "authorised apostle" to baptise them. Unless one believes that Jesus meant something other than what He actually said.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Thank you for all your responses.. very debated, will meditate on Gods word and what will come from it.

God bless.

Good choice. May prayer & the Spirit fill your heart.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hi

If i have a friend who is a true brother in Christ, can he baptize me?

yes,

[quoteIs it ppssible for a Christian to baptize themselves?[/quote]
I would say no, water baptism has a purpose, it symbolizes the baptism of God, where he immerses you into Christ, yu can not immerse yourself into Christ, so it would destroy the symbolism and teaching it is meant to present

When does a believer receive the holy spirit, at the point of accepting Christ as Lord a saviour? Or at baptism?

When he calls out to the name of the lord, he who believes in the name of Jesus and trusts him, thereby receiving his gift of eternal life they are saved. At that point, they are baptized by God (the baptism of the spirit) and anointed by the spirit as he is poured into you and seals you,

after this, we are commanded to be baptized in water, as well as many other commands,,

 

[friend of]

No one becomes a Christian until after they are baptized.
You'll hear a lot of disagreements , but believing will not save you.

This is so terribly wrong it hurts

 

[Pearl]

This is so terribly wrong it hurts

I agree. It is Jesus who saves us not baptism. We get baptised after we have met Jesus not before. I was a born again Christian for many years before my baptism, and even baptised in the Spirit and speaking in tongues. After a few years I became convinced that I needed to be properly baptised and to do so I had to change churches. But it was worth it.

 

[Mungo]

Philip baptised the Ethiopian Eunuch. He didn't have to wait until one of the Apostles to come and do it. The commission of Jesus is to all believers to preach the gospel to every creature and to baptise in the name of Jesus. He did not say that believers should preach the gospel and then get some "authorised apostle" to baptise them. Unless one believes that Jesus meant something other than what He actually said.

Jesus said to the apostles just before he ascended into heaven:
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” (Mt 28:18-20)

Jesus was speaking to the apostles. It does not say that all believers have authority to baptise.
Where does scripture say that every believer has the authority to baptise in Jesus name?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Jesus said to the apostles just before he ascended into heaven:
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” (Mt 28:18-20)

Jesus was speaking to the apostles. It does not say that all believers have authority to baptise.
Where does scripture say that every believer has the authority to baptise in Jesus name?

I see where you're going with Mungo. But we also both know that this is going to go: Interpretation Battle #9825, with everyone believing that they are right.

 

[Mungo]

I agree. It is Jesus who saves us not baptism. We get baptised after we have met Jesus not before.
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Scripture says that baptism saves us (Mk 16:16 & 1Pet 3:21)
The meritorious cause of our salvation is Jesus Christ but the instrumental cause is baptism.

 

[Mungo]

I see where you're going with Mungo. But we also both know that this is going to go: Interpretation Battle #9825, with everyone believing that they are right.

It doesn't take much interpretation, just read the scriptures
In both Mk 16:14-16 and Mt 28:16-20 it clearly says he was addressing "the eleven". What other candidates are there for "the eleven" than the apostles?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

It doesn't take much interpretation, just read the scriptures
In both Mk 16:14-16 and Mt 28:16-20 it clearly says he was addressing "the eleven". What other candidates are there for "the eleven" than the apostles?

It is an interpretation, essentially boiling down to "does this refer to you and just you because you're special, or you because you are believers and likewise all other believers."

Ironically, this Interpretation Battle #9825 about authority is largely predetermined by whose interpretation authority a person already believed. If a person believes the Catholic Church is in authority, then they believe that interpretation of authority. Likewise, if a person believes the protestant Church of All Believers is in authority, then they believe that interpretation of authority. Likewise with every other possible example.

 

[101G]

Baptism is an ordinance from God to be OBEDIENCE to the Faith, JESUS Save, for without Faith it's impossible to please God, who is Jesus. supportive scripture, 1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ".

so water don't save you but the act of the good "conscience" to go down in water do. so without the water in good "conscience" you was just wet.

the apostle Peter give us the correct answer, (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), and water Baptisn do that.

the believer only responsibility is to answer that call of FAITH by being "obedience" to the faith.

God's way of salvation is the only way. anyother way is the way of death.

PICJAG.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus said to the apostles just before he ascended into heaven:
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” (Mt 28:18-20)

Jesus was speaking to the apostles. It does not say that all believers have authority to baptise.
Where does scripture say that every believer has the authority to baptise in Jesus name?

go make disciples

so they can go make disciples

baptize them

where does it say you have to be a certain person to baptize? Thats religion. not Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Scripture says that baptism saves us (Mk 16:16 & 1Pet 3:21)
The meritorious cause of our salvation is Jesus Christ but the instrumental cause is baptism.

mark 16 is questionable. would not use it to make a doctrine

1 Peter 3: 21 says that like the water of the flood. the water of baptism in like manner symbolizes that which saves us.. he also re-iterates, it does not remove sin from our flesh.

 

[101G]

@Eternally Grateful, we think alike, and on the same path. you're correct, in making disciples, also, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

NOW here's the key scripture,
Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen".

what was one of those command to teach? read verse 19 above.

PICJAG.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

mark 16 is questionable. would not use it to make a doctrine

1 Peter 3: 21 says that like the water of the flood. the water of baptism in like manner symbolizes that which saves us.. he also re-iterates, it does not remove sin from our flesh.

@Eternally Grateful, we think alike, and on the same path. you're correct, in making disciples, also, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

NOW here's the key scripture,
Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen".

what was one of those command to teach? read verse 19 above.

PICJAG.

I'm going out point out that you guys also have an authority & paradigm you're working under.

Nothing wrong with that, I'm just pointing it out.

 

[101G]

I'm going out point out that you guys also have an authority & paradigm you're working under.

Nothing wrong with that, I'm just pointing it out.

agreed, just do what God tells you to do. and just because one is not with the crowd, do not make them wrong, or vice versa as with the scripture states, Luke 9:49 "And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
Luke 9:50 "And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

and if you watch many of my post, I used this phrase a lot, "not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this". but one thing for sure, I'm set to follow the Lord Jesus, and not man.

PICJAG.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

agreed, just do what God tells you to do. and just because one is not with the crowd, do not make them wrong, or vice versa as with the scripture states, Luke 9:49 "And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
Luke 9:50 "And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

and if you watch many of my post, I used this phrase a lot, "not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this". but one thing for sure, I'm set to follow the Lord Jesus, and not man.

PICJAG.

I totally acknowledge your phrasing: "not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this". I really like it actually.

I've just met a lot of Protestants whom have claimed "God with what God directs, not man", and then turn around and start telling other persons what to do and get VERY upset when that other person doesn't follow their instructions. Frequently using lines like "That's not Biblical" etc.

 

[101G]

I totally acknowledge your phrasing: "not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this". I really like it actually.

I've just met a lot of Protestants whom have claimed "God with what God directs, not man", and then turn around and start telling other persons what to do and get VERY upset when that other person doesn't follow their instructions. Frequently using lines like "That's not Biblical" etc.

I see what you mean. and I agree. now this, no one can make anyone do anything, especially "learn" anything. it's up to them to only witness. it's really between God and them.

so I agree with what you're saying. that's why I give scripture with what I say, so that they can see for themselves, for we cannot Judge one another. if one understands great, if not the scriptures are true, 1 Corinthians 3:6 "I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1 Corinthians 3:7 "So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase".

a fourm is where one can discuss, not argue over God Holy Word.

PICJAG.