"Before Abraham Was, I AM"

[GodsGrace]

You responded to the following, you should address it, not go on a detour:
'''Sorry, Im not interested in your theologians and scholars. My point was, as you should know, it was not made official church policy until 300 years after Jesus died at Calvary Jesus was the one true God, and everyone must believe it. Please try and keep to what has been stated.'''

For someone that does not reply to posts,,,,that is some statement.

Let's try again:

THE TRINITY IS FOUND IN BOTH THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE NEW TESTAMENT.

And I've shown HOW with scripture.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Oh, I believe The New Testament clearly... spells out that Jesus if part of The Godhead as The Son of God. The Old Testament spelled it out also.

It's not just the name Jesus, it's also the part of His Title as 'The Christ', which meand The Anointed One, with Yehoshu'a actually meaning Yehovah's Saviour.

The separation between Lord Jesus and The Father that you... are doing is only confusion in contrasting Jesus having been born in the flesh, when Jesus existed PRIOR to His being born in the flesh.

Hebrews 1 makes it plain that all things were created in the beginning through Jesus, which agrees 100% with what Apostle John said in John 1 about Jesus being The Word, and The Word was God. Even Psalms 45:6 is The Father calling The Son, "O God", which is quoted in Hebrews 1:8-9. Even Jeremiah 23:6 and 33:16 refer to The Son as "THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS", which in the Hebrew is about Yehovah-Tsidqenuw.

All Ive said is I agree with Jesus words, the Father is the only true God, greater than the son and greater than all. Ive also given you scriptures that directly oppose Jesus having the title the one true God. Simply pointing out it is not plainly written Jesus is the one true God

 

[Davy]

OK, so If I believe Jesus words I will be cast into hell. Gotcha

Your above statement isn't about believing Jesus' words. It is about you believing your own words, or the words of others besides... Lord Jesus.

If you had believed Jesus' words, then you would have believed The New Testament, and even Old Testament Scripture I already showed, as written. But obviously you do not believe those things written in God's Word.

And now, by your own admission, you have made it clear that you have come here to actually CONFUSE the written Word of God which declares Jesus of Nazareth as part of The Godhead of God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit.

 

[saved by grace 101]

For someone that does not reply to posts,,,,that is some statement.

Let's try again:

THE TRINITY IS FOUND IN BOTH THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE NEW TESTAMENT.

And I've shown HOW with scripture.

You seem to have difficulty in understanding what is plainly written to you. I will explain it again, the church did not make official doctrine you must believe Jesus is the one true God until three hundred years after Jesus died on the cross

 

[saved by grace 101]

Your above statement isn't about believing Jesus' words. It is about you believing your own words, or the words of others besides... Lord Jesus.

That's ridiculous

 

[GodsGrace]

You seem to have difficulty in understanding what is plainly written to you. I will explain it again, the church did not make official doctrine you must believe Jesus is the one true God until three hundred years after Jesus died on the cross

I'LL TRY AGAIN:

JESUS WAS ALWAYS BELIEVED TO BE DIVINE.

HERETICS DID NOT BELIEVE THIS AND SO THUS THE COUNCIL OF NICEA IN 325AD BECAME NECESSARY TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THIS.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE BELIEF THAT JESUS WAS GOD BEGAIN IN 325AD.

IT JUST CONFIRMED IT.

 

[JustMe]

Davy,
Isn't it sad that we have to debate the divinity of Jesus with other "Christians"?

What exactly, I wonder, do they believe makes them BE A CHRISTIAN?
Maybe the fact that Jesus was a good person?

Who knows.

THIS is what I know.

Jesus is spoken of as God throughout the NT and this begins in the OT.
Jesus proclaims HIMSELF as being God,,,for which He was threatened with death and with blaspheming.

Christians understand that Jesus is God...as has been taught from the beginning of our religion/faith.

Some modern day cults do not accept this.
So CHRISTIAN should be removed from their title and maybe some other designation offered.

I encourage you to keep up your good work...
I sure am getting tired of it.

Yeah, fruit loops come to mind when I read your post

 

[saved by grace 101]

I'LL TRY AGAIN:

JESUS WAS ALWAYS BELIEVED TO BE DIVINE.

HERETICS DID NOT BELIEVE THIS AND SO THUS THE COUNCIL OF NICEA IN 325AD BECAME NECESSARY TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THIS.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE BELIEF THAT JESUS WAS GOD BEGAIN IN 325AD.

IT JUST CONFIRMED IT.

Its always the same with you people, deflect. Many, many people did not believe Jesus should be termed the one true God before Nicea. They thought they were believers, but according to your views, they couldn't be! So, who was responsible for them ending up in hell? The church because they did not make official doctrine you must believe Jesus is God himself until Nicea?

 

[Davy]

All Ive said is I agree with Jesus words, the Father is the only true God, greater than the son and greater than all. Ive also given you scriptures that directly oppose Jesus having the title the one true God. Simply pointing out it is not plainly written Jesus is the one true God

You've given me Bible Scripture that says the below Isaiah 9 Scripture is FALSE???

Isa 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
KJV


And the following also is false PER WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

Ps 45:6
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
KJV

Heb 1:8
8 But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Its always the same with you people, deflect. Many, many people did not believe Jesus should be termed the one true God before Nicea. They thought they were believers, but according to your views, they couldn't be! So, who was responsible for them ending up in hell? The church because they did not make official doctrine you must believe Jesus is God himself until Nicea?

Nah... it's always the same with YOU people, who come to Christian forms with your false Jewish traditions trying to push your false beliefs on unsuspecting Christians.

 

[saved by grace 101]

You've given me Bible Scripture that says the below Isaiah 9 Scripture is FALSE???

Isa 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
KJV


And the following also is false PER WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

Ps 45:6
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
KJV

Heb 1:8
8 But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.
KJV

I havent done anything of the sort, you quote without understanding. Why did you not quote the following verse after Heb1:8 as well? God says he is Christ's God. So, who is the God of the one true omnipotent God?

 

[amigo de christo]

I'LL TRY AGAIN:

JESUS WAS ALWAYS BELIEVED TO BE DIVINE.

HERETICS DID NOT BELIEVE THIS AND SO THUS THE COUNCIL OF NICEA IN 325AD BECAME NECESSARY TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THIS.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE BELIEF THAT JESUS WAS GOD BEGAIN IN 325AD.

IT JUST CONFIRMED IT.

And He who once doubted the ressurection of JESUS
till he SEEN him alive
had this to say as he fell flat on his face before JESUS
MY LORD and MY GOD .
Now notice JESUS had s ternly rebuked thomas for h is lack of faith
in beleiving those who had told him they had SEEM him alive .
AND THEN NOTICE JESUS did not do as the angel did , when john bowed before the angel in heaven .
THE angel told john , GET UP , WORSHIP GOD
JESUS DIDNT TELL THOMAS GET UP , i am but your fellow servant , worship GOD .
NOW DID HE .
This people wants to beleive what their sold out men who twist things tell them .
BUT as for me , ME IS GONNA BELEIVE WHAT IS WRITTEN . AS A SIMPLE CHILD .
ALL their scholars and greek wise men cannot save them .
This wee tiny lad gonna beleive JESUS and not men who twist his words .
TO include these words HE TOLD JOHN from heaven .
I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST . this people love a lie and sheep dont heed a word one outta they lips either .

 

[saved by grace 101]

Nah... it's always the same with YOU people, who come to Christian forms with your false Jewish traditions trying to push your false beliefs on unsuspecting Christians.

Thank goodness you dont get this in the trinitarian churches. In over 40 years of going to various denominational trinitarian churches I only heard it once stated from the pulpit Christ was God Himself and everyone should believe it. That was from a young assistant pastor fresh out of bible college!

 

[Davy]

I havent done anything of the sort, you quote without understanding. Why did you not quote the following verse after Heb1:8 as well? God says he is Christ's God. So, who is the God of the one true omnipotent God?

I quote... WITH UNDERSTANDING.

You think you have the authority to claim I don't understand when it is YOU... that clearly reveals you have difficulty ADMITTING the Bible Scriptures I posted as written?? That shows you are the one who does not understand those Scriptures, because you DO NOT WANT TO! That is why you can't even face up to the simple English they are written in.

 

[saved by grace 101]

I quote... WITH UNDERSTANDING.

You think you have the authority to claim I don't understand when it is YOU... that clearly reveals you have difficulty ADMITTING the Bible Scriptures I posted as written?? That shows you are the one who does not understand those Scriptures, because you DO NOT WANT TO! That is why you can't even face up to the simple English they are written in.

I see you couldnt answer the question

 

[Davy]

Thank goodness you dont get this in the trinitarian churches. In over 40 years of going to various denominational trinitarian churches I only heard it once stated from the pulpit Christ was God Himself and everyone should believe it. That was from a young assistant pastor fresh out of bible college!

In over 50 years in the CHRISTIAN Churches I've gone to, it is ALWAYS taught that Jesus is GOD The Son, Emmanuel "God with us" AS WRITTEN...


Matt 1:21-23
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
KJV

 

[saved by grace 101]

I quote... WITH UNDERSTANDING.

You think you have the authority to claim I don't understand when it is YOU... that clearly reveals you have difficulty ADMITTING the Bible Scriptures I posted as written?? That shows you are the one who does not understand those Scriptures, because you DO NOT WANT TO! That is why you can't even face up to the simple English they are written in.

Let's try again as you quoted the first of the two verses. In verse 8 God refers to Christ with the title 'God' in the next verse God states he is the God of Christ. So, who is the God of the one true omnipotent God?
But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e]

 

[Davy]

I see you couldnt answer the question

GOD Himself has already answered your deceived question, all you need do is READ WHAT HE SAID IN HIS WORD, AND THEN BELIEVE IT.

 

[saved by grace 101]

GOD Himself has already answered your deceived question, all you need do is READ WHAT HE SAID IN HIS WORD, AND THEN BELIEVE IT.

Pure deflection

 

[Davy]

Let's try again as you quoted the first of the two verses. In verse 8 God refers to Christ with the title 'God' in the next verse God states he is the God of Christ. So, who is the God of the one true omnipotent God?
But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e]

See... even in your above statement, you CANNOT bring yourself to ADMIT that The Father calls The Son, "O God"!

Heb 1:8
8 But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.
KJV