Being Saved is Being Eternally Saved

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When one is given salvation Rob, what happens if they choose to sin sir?
Scripture doesn't speak of salvation being given, but obtained, and that is only at the end of this life.

Scripture says we are being saved by grace through faith, so long as we are being faithful to Him.

No man while sinning with the devil against God is being saved, born of God, nor justified by Jesus Christ.

Only those preserved pure in heart, spirit, soul, and body at the end, shall obtain eternal salvation.

While being saved we have perfectly complete access to the enteral Spirit and divine power of Christ to be fiathful to Him in all things with a pure heart.

The heaven of the heavenlies is open to that love and body Jesus in spirit and in flesh, and that heavenly place we sit in is Jesus' throne and kingdom within us.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

And if we are saved at the end, then we shall also sit with Him in His throne with His Father in heaven:

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
 

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Your not looking Robert... what did God place in the heart of men???

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

The world is in the heart of natural man, who set not their hearts on God.

Those who repent now have Jesus Christ, His Spirit, His word, His truth, His righteousness, His divine power in their purified hearts.

No longer the world.

Your not going to get the truth from reading a translation... Read the passage in Hebrew!!!
Paul

No I don't I am not a muslim needing to learn arabic in order to know what allah is really saying.

My Lord is the true God, who has enough power on earth to have all His Scriptures perfectly preserved and easily translated into one book, that even a child can read and understand the first principles of the doctrine of Christ.

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Adults are the ones with premeditated vain imaginations that have learned the sleazy art of changing simple words ti become more complex for the sake of teaching falsely from them.

Until we become as little children again without preconceived ideologies, we cannot enter into the kingdom of Christ, where we read, believe, and obey His word simply as written for us in our own language.
 

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Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Once we are born of Christ and walking with Him in spirit and in the flesh, then we have all access to all divine power of God in all things, so that we can certainly remain walking the same as Him yesterday, to day, and for ever.

God's eternal salvation is for ever, because it remains the same for ever.

Man that changes cannot be saved for ever, because he is for ever changing:

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
 

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Scripture doesn't speak of salvation being given, but obtained, and that is only at the end of this life.

Scripture says we are being saved by grace through faith, so long as we are being faithful to Him.

No man while sinning with the devil against God is being saved, born of God, nor justified by Jesus Christ.

Only those preserved pure in heart, spirit, soul, and body at the end, shall obtain eternal salvation.

While being saved we have perfectly complete access to the enteral Spirit and divine power of Christ to be fiathful to Him in all things with a pure heart.

The heaven of the heavenlies is open to that love and body Jesus in spirit and in flesh, and that heavenly place we sit in is Jesus' throne and kingdom within us.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

And if we are saved at the end, then we shall also sit with Him in His throne with His Father in heaven:

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

I guess you didn't understand my question Rob. After we receive salvation and satan and those who follow him are cast into the lake, everything having been subjected to Christ and he has already handed the Kingdom back to God, what happens to those who sin sir?
 

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I guess you didn't understand my question Rob. After we receive salvation and satan and those who follow him are cast into the lake, everything having been subjected to Christ and he has already handed the Kingdom back to God, what happens to those who sin sir?
The unrepentant are unforgiven and do not obtain eternal salvation at the end of this life.

What does this have to do with the subject at hand.
 
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Having and knowing eternal salvation is now only. If we have and know Him now, we have all things in heaven and earth available to us according to His divine power.

If we continue knowing Him at the end of this life, we obtain eternal salvation forever:

Eternal security that cannot be denied, is only in the resurrection of the just.

Until then, our assurance is obeying Jesus and His faith now.
 

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Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice,
And does not forsake His saints;
They are preserved forever,
But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
 
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So long as we are supping with Jesus within His everlasting kingdom, we are being saved with an eternal salvation, and have full access to His eternal power and Spirit to continue fellowshipping with Him in the Light.

If any man is sinning with the devil, then Jesus stands at the door knocking unto repentance, that He may enter and sup with them forgiven from all past sinning.

We are only being saved with an eternal salvation now, and yesterday is forgotten, and tomorrow may not come:

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
 

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Quite a complete FLIP from your numerous anti-OSAS threads.


Lol. A true fish cast upon the dry shore without the sludge of murky waters to hide within.
Flip flop side to side with no air
( to fan the fire). Let's see if this side gets more response.......lol
 
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Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice,
And does not forsake His saints;
They are preserved forever,
But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Glad to see you are still here @mailmandan
 
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Scripture doesn't speak of salvation being given, but obtained, and that is only at the end of this life.

Scripture says we are being saved by grace through faith, so long as we are being faithful to Him.

No man while sinning with the devil against God is being saved, born of God, nor justified by Jesus Christ.

Only those preserved pure in heart, spirit, soul, and body at the end, shall obtain eternal salvation.

While being saved we have perfectly complete access to the enteral Spirit and divine power of Christ to be fiathful to Him in all things with a pure heart.

The heaven of the heavenlies is open to that love and body Jesus in spirit and in flesh, and that heavenly place we sit in is Jesus' throne and kingdom within us.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

And if we are saved at the end, then we shall also sit with Him in His throne with His Father in heaven:

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Act_2:21 'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD [invoking, adoring, and worshiping the Lord Jesus] SHALL BE SAVED (rescued spiritually).' [Joe_2:28-32]

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word [the message, the basis] of faith which we preach-- [Deu_30:14]

Rom 10:9 because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart a person believes [in Christ as Savior] resulting in his justification [that is, being made righteous--being freed of the guilt of sin and made acceptable to God]; and with the mouth he acknowledges and confesses [his faith openly], resulting in and confirming [his] salvation.

Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM [whoever adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED [in his expectations]." [Isa_28:16]
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I disagree with your post, completely.
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Scripture doesn't speak of salvation being given, but obtained, and that is only at the end of this life.

Scripture says we are being saved by grace through faith, so long as we are being faithful to Him.

No man while sinning with the devil against God is being saved, born of God, nor justified by Jesus Christ.

Only those preserved pure in heart, spirit, soul, and body at the end, shall obtain eternal salvation.

While being saved we have perfectly complete access to the enteral Spirit and divine power of Christ to be fiathful to Him in all things with a pure heart.

The heaven of the heavenlies is open to that love and body Jesus in spirit and in flesh, and that heavenly place we sit in is Jesus' throne and kingdom within us.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

And if we are saved at the end, then we shall also sit with Him in His throne with His Father in heaven:

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
SALVATION. A term that stands for several Heb. and Gk. words, the general idea being
safety, deliverance, ease, soundness. In the OT the term refers to various forms of
deliverance, both temporal and spiritual. God delivers His people from their enemies and
from the snares of the wicked (see Pss. 37:40; 59:2; 106:4). He also saves by granting
forgiveness of sins, answers to prayer, joy, and peace (79:9; 69:13; 51:12). The OT
prophecies center upon One who was to come as the bringer of salvation (see Messiah).
In the NT salvation is regarded almost exclusively as from the power and dominion of
sin. And of this Jesus Christ is the author (see Matt. 1:21; Acts 4:12; Heb. 2:10; 5:9). It is
freely offered to all men but is conditioned upon repentance and faith in Christ (see John
3:16; Heb. 2:3). Salvation proceeds from the love of God, is based upon the atonement
wrought by Christ, is realized in forgiveness, regeneration, and sanctification, and culminates
in the resurrection and glorification of all true believers. See Atonement; Forgiveness;
Justification; Regeneration; Sanctification; Resurrection. E.MCC.
BIBLIOGRAPHY: G. C. Berkouwer, Faith and Justification (1954); L. S. Chafer, Salvation
(1965); E. M. B. Green, The Meaning of Salvation (1965); N. Turner, Christian Words
(1980), pp. 390–98. For additional information see The Minister’s Library (1985), pp. 268–
74.

Salvation in the end?
Not a present reality?!

On second thought, don't respond, please....
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Scripture doesn't speak of salvation being given, but obtained, and that is only at the end of this life.

Scripture says we are being saved by grace through faith, so long as we are being faithful to Him.

No man while sinning with the devil against God is being saved, born of God, nor justified by Jesus Christ.

Only those preserved pure in heart, spirit, soul, and body at the end, shall obtain eternal salvation.

While being saved we have perfectly complete access to the enteral Spirit and divine power of Christ to be fiathful to Him in all things with a pure heart.

The heaven of the heavenlies is open to that love and body Jesus in spirit and in flesh, and that heavenly place we sit in is Jesus' throne and kingdom within us.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

And if we are saved at the end, then we shall also sit with Him in His throne with His Father in heaven:

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Don't ramble....

A Fourfold Salvation

Arthur Pink, 1938


The subject of God's "so great salvation" (Heb. 2:3), as it is revealed to us in the Scriptures and made known in Christian experience, is worthy of a life's study. Anyone who supposes that there is now no longer any need for him to prayerfully search for a fuller understanding of the same, needs to ponder, "If any man thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know" (1 Cor. 8:2). The fact is that the moment any of us really takes it for granted that he already knows all that there is to be known on any subject treated of in Holy Writ, he at once cuts himself off from any further light thereon. That which is most needed by all of us in order to a better understanding of Divine things is not a brilliant intellect—but a truly humble heart and a teachable spirit, and for that we should daily and fervently pray—for we possess it not by nature.

The subject of Divine salvation has, sad to say, provoked age-long controversy and bitter contentions even among professing Christians. There is comparatively little real agreement even upon this elementary yet vital truth. Some have insisted that salvation is by Divine grace, others have argued it is by human endeavor. A number have sought to defend a middle position, and while allowing that the salvation of a lost sinner must be by Divine grace, were not willing to concede that it is by grace alone, alleging that God's grace must be plussed by something from the creature, and very varied have been the opinions of what that "something" must be—baptism, church-membership, the performing of good works, holding out faithful to the end, etc. On the other hand, there are those who not only grant that salvation is by grace alone—but who deny that God uses any means whatever in the accomplishment of His eternal purpose to save His elect—overlooking the fact that the sacrifice of Christ is the grand "means"! It is true that the Church of God was blessed with super-creation blessings, being chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, and predestinated unto the adoption of children, and nothing could or can alter that grand fact. It is equally true that if sin had never entered the world, none had been in need of salvation from it. But sin has entered, and the Church fell in Adam and came under the curse and condemnation of God's Law.

Consequently, the elect, equally with the reprobate, share in the capital offense of their federal head, and partake of its fearful entail, "In Adam all die" (1 Cor. 15:22), "By the offense of one, judgment came upon all men to condemnation" (Romans 5:18). The result of this is that all are "alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their hearts" (Eph. 4:18), so that the members of the mystical Body of Christ are "by nature the children of wrath, even as others" (Eph. 2:3), and hence they are alike in dire need of God's salvation.

Even where there is fundamental soundness in their views upon Divine salvation—yet many have such inadequate and one-sided conceptions that other aspects of this truth, equally important and essential, are often overlooked and tacitly denied. How many, for example, would be capable of giving a simple exposition of the following texts, "Who has saved us" (2 Tim. 1:9). "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Phil. 2:12), "Now is our salvation nearer than when we believed" (Romans 13:11). Now those verses do not refer to three different salvations—but to three separate aspects of one and unless we learn to distinguish sharply between them, there can be nothing but confusion and cloudiness in our thinking. Those passages present three distinct phases and stages of salvation—salvation . . .

as an accomplished fact,

as a present process,

as a future prospect.

So many today ignore these distinctions, jumbling them together. Some contend for one and argue against the other two; and vice versa. Some insist they are already saved, and deny that they are now being saved. Some declare that salvation is entirely future, and deny that it is in any sense already accomplished. Both are wrong.

The fact is, that the great majority of professing Christians fail to see that "salvation" is one of the most comprehensive terms in all the Scriptures, including predestination, regeneration, justification, sanctification and glorification. They have far too cramped an idea of the meaning and scope of the word "salvation" (as it is used in the Scriptures), narrowing its range too much, generally confining their thoughts to but a single phase. They suppose "salvation" means no more than the new birth or the forgiveness of sins. Were one to tell them that salvation is a protracted process, they would view him with suspicion; and if he affirmed that salvation is something awaiting us in the future, they would at once dub him a heretic. Yet they would be the ones to err.

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Act_2:21 'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD [invoking, adoring, and worshiping the Lord Jesus] SHALL BE SAVED (rescued spiritually).' [Joe_2:28-32]

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word [the message, the basis] of faith which we preach-- [Deu_30:14]

Rom 10:9 because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart a person believes [in Christ as Savior] resulting in his justification [that is, being made righteous--being freed of the guilt of sin and made acceptable to God]; and with the mouth he acknowledges and confesses [his faith openly], resulting in and confirming [his] salvation.

Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM [whoever adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED [in his expectations]." [Isa_28:16]
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I disagree with your post, completely.
J.
Of course you do. Because I teach Scripture, and you disagree with Scripture:

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection.

Scripture says the faith to be saved, salvation, and resurrection of the blessed is all obtained.
 
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Scripture says the faith to be saved, salvation, and resurrection of the blessed is all obtained.
Of course you do. Because I teach Scripture, and you disagree with Scripture:

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.


Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection.

Scripture says the faith to be saved, salvation, and resurrection of the blessed is all obtained.
Scripture doesn't speak of salvation being given, but obtained, and that is only at the end of this life......your words

..the "end" of his life? Salvation is only obtained at the end of a believers Life?

Quoting a bunch of scriptures means nothing...explain the..."salvation is only obtained at the end of his life?"
 
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Scripture doesn't speak of salvation being given, but obtained, and that is only at the end of this life......your words

..the "end" of his life? Salvation is only obtained at the end of a believers Life?

Quoting a bunch of scriptures means nothing...explain the..."salvation is only obtained at the end of his life?"
OK, you "switched off" Teacher...
When are we actually saved?

Mainstream Christianity almost exclusively speaks of salvation as a present reality in the life of a Christian. It is viewed as the state of believers at the moment they accept Jesus Christ as Savior (or, for some denominations, at the moment of baptism). In other words, if you have accepted Jesus, you are saved. Your sins are forgiven, and your place in heaven is assured. End of story.

But is that all there is to salvation?

In His famous Olivet Prophecy, Jesus said: “But he who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13, emphasis added throughout). “The end” refers to the end of this age and Christ’s second coming.

So, Jesus seems to be saying that salvation will occur in the future. That statement seems to indicate that being saved is a future event that believers have not yet experienced.

But there are other passages that seem to say the opposite. For instance, Paul said, “For by grace you have been saved through faith” (Ephesians 2:8).

Eph 2:8 For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God;
You ARE...

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Number: Plural


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This seems to imply salvation is a past event.

But in still other places, the Bible speaks of salvation as something that’s ongoing: “But to us who are being saved it is the power of God” (1 Corinthians 1:18).

So which is it? “Shall be saved” (future), “have been saved” (past) or “are being saved” (present)?

The answer is—yes, all three!

Salvation is a process
How can all three be true?

The past, present and future aspects of being saved represent three major steps of the salvation process.To understand this, we have to remember exactly what salvation is—it is being saved from sin and its consequences. Sin (which results in separation from God and ultimately death) is the major obstacle to our achieving God’s purpose for us, which is to become perfect as He is perfect (Matthew 5:48). When a person accepts Christ and is baptized, he or she is only beginning on that path. Salvation is best understood as a process—not an event.

The past, present and future aspects of being saved represent three major steps of the salvation process. Let’s take a closer look at each step.

Step 1: Becoming a Christian (“have been saved”)
The first step is being called by God and coming to Him through Jesus Christ. In order to do that, the primary problem we have to deal with is ourselves. All of us come to God with a lifetime of sins on our record. We need to be saved from having to experience eternal death as a consequence for those sins (Romans 6:23).

When we accept Christ and His shed blood for sin, we must deeply repent of those sins and be baptized (Acts 2:38). When a person rises up out of the watery grave of baptism, those sins are “washed away” and “blotted out”—completely cleansed and expunged from the person’s record (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 22:16).

This is what Paul was referring to when he wrote that “by grace you have been saved through faith” (Ephesians 2:8). Immediately after baptism, every truly repentant believer has been saved from all the sins committed before that moment. God accepts Jesus’ death to pay the penalty for those sins on our behalf—we are saved from that penalty.

So, this is the sense in which a true believer is already saved.

Step 2: Living the Christian life (“being saved”)
When true believers come out of the waters of baptism, they are saved from the sins they committed prior to that moment—but there’s still a problem. They will continue to live. Which means they will sin again.

[For the "sinless perfection lot, this will make no sense]

True belief, repentance and baptism wash away past sins, but do not blot out all future sins. In order to be saved from sins committed after baptism, a believer must repent of and seek God’s forgiveness for those sins. Writing primarily to baptized Christians, John wrote, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

When those post-baptism sins are repented of and cleansed from our record, we are saved from those sins. This is the sense in which we are being saved through an ongoing process. As we repent of sins after baptism and continue to grow in God’s character, we are saved from the death penalty for those sins by Christ’s sacrifice and are continually reconciled to God.

Step 3: Receiving eternal life at Christ’s return (“shall be saved”)
But there is still another aspect of salvation that is yet future. Remember that the two results of sin we need to be saved from are death and alienation from God. We are not fully saved, in its ultimate sense, until we are composed of spirit and made perfect—no longer in danger of sin or death. This is what Jesus Christ was referring to when He said, “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13).

When Jesus returns, He will bring salvation to His people: “He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation” (Hebrews 9:28). The process of being saved has only begun in our lives today—but Christ will complete it at His return. Salvation is ultimately given at the end of a physical lifetime of faithfully repenting, growing and developing a life of faith toward God (1 Peter 1:9). This is why the Bible says we are “saved by His life” (Romans 5:10)—because only a living, resurrected Savior can return and give eternal life!

This is “the hope of salvation” (1 Thessalonians 5:8). It is the future hope that true Christians seek. It is being saved from death and becoming a member of God’s family for all eternity.

This debunks your theory of....."the believer shall only obtain salvation at the end"

The Present and Perfect says otherwise.
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Scripture doesn't speak of salvation being given, but obtained, and that is only at the end of this life......your words

..the "end" of his life? Salvation is only obtained at the end of a believers Life?

Quoting a bunch of scriptures means nothing...explain the..."salvation is only obtained at the end of his life?"
First thing Scripture does is establish the truth, which is faith, salvation, and resurrection is all by obtaining, not just by 'gifting'.

This is why asking explanation is better than just disagreeing.

The idea of being 'gifted' with salvation, is the basis of unconditionally secured salvation, where manner of life has nothing to do with it.

And talking about follow up 'discipleship' apart from salvation, is just lip-service to doing righteousness.

No Scripture says we are given salvation without cost.

We obtain salvation now and at the end, by spiritually purifying ourselves and our lives through the gift of Jesus' faith and Spirit.

To obtain is to win it, which is done by receiving it and running lawfully with it to the finish line.

Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

Anyone who says they are already 'gifted' with eternal salvation by faith alone, are not to be taken seriously. It's just the vain imagination of ungrown children, that don't want to grow up and do those things necessary to obtain the prize of eternal life and enter into the everlasting kingdom of God:

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

There is no obtaining salvation in the end by faith alone.

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.


 
J

Johann

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We obtain salvation now and at the end, by spiritually purifying ourselves and our lives through the gift of Jesus' faith and Spirit.
You said..."only at the end" and now it is a PRESENT, PERFECT Tense reality...which is correct.

I don't really care as to the rest of what you said, no offense.
J.