Beware Of The Crowd--The Many!

[ScottA]

I don’t know where y’all get the idea that living for Christ is hard. Are you talking about persecution of what? Do you find it hard to walk with Christ. I’m being serious,

I truly don’t understand why you guys act like walking with Christ is such a laborious task.

No, you're right, it's like falling of a log!

What is hard is the finding and entering in. The "many" that Jesus said never do have a tough time giving up what they apparently value more about this world and what they have gotten comfortable with.

The big one, is the flesh. Heaven forbid one would have to give up this ragged and unholy tent that God only gave us to cover our nakedness. Which is a twist for "many" because we are like Adam and Eve thinking that's bad. But it's just a matter of seeing ourselves as we are in our fallen state. Remember, they didn't see things that way until after the fall. All of which means that those who hold onto these temporal "skins" that God has provided us--is because they are "hiding" (like Adam and Eve).

 

[IndianaRob]

We have to ask ourselves how many times we are willing to put family before worshiping God. If your young nephew's football final is on Sunday, can you skip church again? And if your brother's flight leaves for overseas on Sunday. do you skip church again?

It comes down to why we go to church.

Why do you go to church? Are you trying stay in favor with God through obedience?

From what we’ve discussed so far it seems that you go out of obligation, to please God.

 

[ScottA]

We have to ask ourselves how many times we are willing to put family before worshiping God. If your young nephew's football final is on Sunday, can you skip church again? And if your brother's flight leaves for overseas on Sunday. do you skip church again?

It comes down to why we go to church.

“Surely, as the Lord lives, you have been upright, and your going out and your coming in with me in the army is good in my sight. For to this day I have not found evil in you since the day of your coming to me." Samuel 29:6

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

interesting how people will argue over words but if people would look at context and overall scriptures and seek Heavenly perspective they would not argue.

From Noah and the world, Abram out of the pagens , Lot in Sodom, to the Hebrews in Egypt and all the way to Revelation. We see few will be on the path to Heaven and the rest will enter eternal judgement.

 

[amigo de christo]

Can you give an example in your Christian walk that you find hard to do?

watching what many in christaindome now call love and the peace plan they do lock hands and sit under .
That has been one very hard and vexing thing to see .

 

[ScottA]

interesting how people will argue over words but if people would look at context and overall scriptures and seek Heavenly perspective they would not argue.

From Noah and the world, Abram out of the pagens , Lot in Sodom, to the Hebrews in Egypt and all the way to Revelation. We see few will be on the path to Heaven and the rest will enter eternal judgement.

We do need to be careful with context however, even Jesus broke context, and yet the modern exegesis used by the "many" has ruled against it.

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

We do need to be careful with context however, even Jesus broke context, and yet the modern exegesis used by the "many" has ruled against it.

YHVH does not change so we look to the pattern He has spoken and shown us.

Oh how great is His WORD

 

[bdavidc]

There is a serious warning here, but I do not believe the text says that the narrow way is a hidden, difficult path that only a few people discover “within the church.”

Jesus said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 7:21). These are people who profess Christ, but a profession is not proof that someone belongs to Him. Jesus does not say, “I once knew you, but you failed to find the difficult path.” He says, “I never knew you” (Matthew 7:23). They were never His.

Their religious works, prophecies, exorcisms, and wonders did not prove that they were saved. In fact, Jesus called them “workers of iniquity.” The warning is not that they were sincere Christians who chose comfortable doctrine. The warning is that outward religion, impressive works, and supernatural claims cannot replace actually knowing Christ.

The word translated “difficult” in Matthew 7:14 describes a narrow or constricted way. It does not mean that salvation is found by discovering complicated or unpopular doctrines. Jesus Christ Himself is the way. He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6).

The same correction applies to John 6. The people did not leave merely because Jesus taught something intellectually difficult. Jesus plainly identified their real problem: “There are some of you that believe not” (John 6:64). Their unbelief caused them to reject His words.

We absolutely should examine ourselves, as 2 Corinthians 13:5 commands. But we must examine ourselves according to Scripture, not by asking whether our path feels difficult, uncomfortable, or unpopular. Hardship is not proof of truth, and comfort is not proof of error. False religion can be difficult, demanding, and uncomfortable too.

The biblical question is whether we have truly come to Christ in faith, whether His Word governs what we believe, and whether the fruit of a changed life follows. Salvation is not earned by works, miracles, sacrifice, or choosing the most difficult road. It is by grace through faith, and genuine faith produces obedience as its fruit.

 

[bdavidc]

We do need to be careful with context however, even Jesus broke context, and yet the modern exegesis used by the "many" has ruled against it.

Jesus never “broke context.” That statement is false. Jesus did not misuse Scripture or remove passages from their intended meaning. He said, “I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me” (John 8:28, ESV), and, “I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment, what to say and what to speak” (John 12:49, ESV).

When Jesus used the Old Testament, He revealed its true meaning and fulfillment. Luke 24:27 says, “Beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.”

Men break context. Jesus does not. He is the truth, and God’s Word is truth. We cannot defend an interpretation by claiming that Jesus disregarded context, especially while warning others about supposed errors in doctrine.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus never “broke context.” That statement is false. Jesus did not misuse Scripture or remove passages from their intended meaning

David's words and the context of his own suffering:

• Psalm 22:1 "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"

Jesus's words, broken out of David's context and put into His own context:

• Matthew 27:46 “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"

...and He is not the only one who the scriptures record doing so.

And yes, the users of the modern rule of exegesis would not have allowed it, saying David's context was "prophetic", and Jesus's context was "historical." And then they would argue about it being vice versa.

 

[bdavidc]

David's words and the context of his own suffering:

• Psalm 22:1 "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"

Jesus's words, broken out of David's context and put into His own context:

• Matthew 27:46 “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"

...and He is not the only one who the scriptures record doing so.

And yes, the users of the modern rule of exegesis would not have allowed it, saying David's context was "prophetic", and Jesus's context was "historical." And then they would argue about it being vice versa.

That does not prove Jesus “broke context.” It proves that Psalm 22 was fulfilled in Him. David wrote from real suffering, but the psalm itself reaches far beyond David. It speaks of mockers saying, “He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him” (Psalm 22:8), of hands and feet being pierced (Psalm 22:16), and of garments being divided and lots being cast for them (Psalm 22:18). Those details were fulfilled at the cross in Matthew 27:35, 39–43.

Jesus did not rip David’s words out of context and force them into another setting. He stood inside the fulfillment of the very psalm He quoted. The context of Psalm 22 includes suffering that ultimately points to Christ.

Jesus said the Scriptures testified of Him: “They are they which testify of me” (John 5:39). After His resurrection, He explained “in all the scriptures the things concerning himself” (Luke 24:27). That is not breaking context. That is revealing the full meaning God placed in the text.

You are trying to use Christ’s perfect handling of Scripture to justify men ignoring context. That will not work. Jesus did not violate the meaning of Psalm 22. He fulfilled it.

Men break context when they detach words from what God actually said and insert meanings the text does not teach. Jesus never did that. He is the truth, and He handled Scripture without error.

 

[ScottA]

That does not prove Jesus “broke context.” It proves that Psalm 22 was fulfilled in Him. David wrote from real suffering, but the psalm itself reaches far beyond David. It speaks of mockers saying, “He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him” (Psalm 22:8), of hands and feet being pierced (Psalm 22:16), and of garments being divided and lots being cast for them (Psalm 22:18). Those details were fulfilled at the cross in Matthew 27:35, 39–43.

Jesus did not rip David’s words out of context and force them into another setting. He stood inside the fulfillment of the very psalm He quoted. The context of Psalm 22 includes suffering that ultimately points to Christ.

Jesus said the Scriptures testified of Him: “They are they which testify of me” (John 5:39). After His resurrection, He explained “in all the scriptures the things concerning himself” (Luke 24:27). That is not breaking context. That is revealing the full meaning God placed in the text.

You are trying to use Christ’s perfect handling of Scripture to justify men ignoring context. That will not work. Jesus did not violate the meaning of Psalm 22. He fulfilled it.

Men break context when they detach words from what God actually said and insert meanings the text does not teach. Jesus never did that. He is the truth, and He handled Scripture without error.

Not according to those who take up context to rule over their own idea of exegesis.

As for "ripping words out of context"--Paul did exactly that. But you have already rejected the idea that Jesus could or did break context, why would you believe anything different about one whom He has sent?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Why does another persons actions or beliefs upset you? Especially to the point that you feel the need to be rude to them?

Ditto.