Bible alone!

[theefaith]

If you are water baptized, but not born again, you are not "in the church", You are just Religious, but lost.

Water is not required for Salvation.
How do you know?
Because WATER didn't die on the CROSS for your SIN !.

we are talking justification by baptism acts 22:16 etc. not salvation

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!

Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!

Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.

Salvation:
then when we are faithful to Christ and in his grace at death enter salvation!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

No one has salvation until death

 

[theefaith]

Why don't you communicate in English? Do you really think that a Galilean carpenter spoke in a long-dead dialect that nobody would understand?

1 John 2:20-23 (a paragraph) in English : Nevertheless you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. I have not written to you that you do not know the truth, but that you do know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but the person who denies that Jesus is the Christ ? This one is the antichrist: the person who denies the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either. The person who confesses the Son has the Father also." (with my emphasis).

You try to sound "holy" but instead you conceal the message.

He did not speak any English but we do!

 

[Jim B]

then answer the scripture and my simple questions

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!






“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is not found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

Since you quote verses over and over without understanding them, try explaining this...

"For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body. Whether Jews or Greeks or slaves or free, we were all made to drink of the one Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:13

So baptism isn't sprinkling or immersion, it's drinking! That's what the Bible says!

Since you like the King James version, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." (whatever that mistranslation means)

 

[Jim B]

jn 3:5 says a BY water AND the spirit

v22 they went to the river (water water everywhere) and they baptized!!!

John 3:3-6, "Jesus replied, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb and be born a second time, can he?”

Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit."

How can anyone in their right mind think this has anything to do with water baptism? Born of water means naturally born, with amniotic fluid.

 

[theefaith]

A "cuter life"??? You have really lost it, amigo!!

iphone spell check belch!

 

[Jim B]

then answer the scripture and my simple questions

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!






“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is not found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

You quote Scripture three times...

"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:13

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Acts 22:16 "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

So which is it? Drink? Put on? Wash?

If Eph 4:5 -- " One Lord, one faith, one baptism" -- is true, which one of the above is it?

P.S. You forgot to mention the amniotic fluid!

 

[Jim B]

iphone spell check belch!

You're discussing the truth of God. Don't blame your iPhone for your carelessness!

 

[Jim B]

He did not speak any English but we do!

Then communicate in 21st Century English, not 17th Century Englyshe.

 

[Jim B]

we are talking justification by baptism acts 22:16 etc. not salvation

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!

Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!

Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.

Salvation:
then when we are faithful to Christ and in his grace at death enter salvation!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

No one has salvation until death

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God." ARE SAVED! Present tense!

Acts 2:46-47, " Every day they continued to gather together by common consent in the temple courts, breaking bread from house to house, sharing their food with glad and humble hearts, praising God and having the good will of all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number every day those who were being saved." Imperfect tense

Acts 15:11, "On the contrary, we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they are.” Present tense.

Romans 8:24, "For in hope we were saved. [imperfect tense] Now hope that is seen is not hope, because who hopes for what he sees?"

1 Corinthians 1:18, "For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." Present tense.

1 Corinthians 15:2, "and by which you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message I preached to you—unless you believed in vain."
Present tense.

2 Corinthians 2:15, "For we are a sweet aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing—" Present tense.

Ephesians 2:5, "Even though we were dead in offenses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you are saved!—" Present tense

2 Timothy 1:9, "He is the one who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not based on our works but on his own purpose and grace, granted to us in Christ Jesus before time began" Past tense. This has already happened!

Titus 3:5, "he saved us not by works of righteousness that we have done but on the basis of his mercy, through the washing of the new birth and the renewing of the Holy Spirit" Past tense. This has already happened!

Of all the Catholic falsities that you post, this is perhaps the most grievous error. By grace are you saved through faith, not by works!

Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast."

This clearly demonstrates the main flaw of the Catholic doctrine!! We have been saved through our faith in Christ; it is not conditional! You don't have to continually sin, beg forgiveness from a priest, say x number of "Hail Marys", light some candles, pray to dead people, swallow crackers and a thimble of wine, etc. etc. etc. You think it's all by works!!! It isn't!!! It is by faith and faith alone.

You can continue to post a million out-of-context verses, spew nonsense about "ever virgin Mary", write false information about being saved by baptism, etc. etc. etc. but it is all wrong!!

All one has to do is to accept by faith the atoning sacrifice by Jesus Christ made on your behalf and you are saved. That's it; nothing more! I grieve for you and your confused brothers and sisters who needlessly suffer over and over and over, believing false doctrine.

I pray that the eyes of your spiritual heart will some day be opened to the truth!

 

[theefaith]

Since you quote verses over and over without understanding them, try explaining this...

"For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body. Whether Jews or Greeks or slaves or free, we were all made to drink of the one Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:13

So baptism isn't sprinkling or immersion, it's drinking! That's what the Bible says!

Since you like the King James version, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." (whatever that mistranslation means)

partake!

 

[theefaith]

John 3:3-6, "Jesus replied, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb and be born a second time, can he?”

Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit."

How can anyone in their right mind think this has anything to do with water baptism? Born of water means naturally born, with amniotic fluid.

born does mean that but it say born again by WATER AND THE SPIRIT!

 

[theefaith]

Then communicate in 21st Century English, not 17th Century Englyshe.

thats the KJV not me

 

[theefaith]

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God." ARE SAVED! Present tense!

Acts 2:46-47, " Every day they continued to gather together by common consent in the temple courts, breaking bread from house to house, sharing their food with glad and humble hearts, praising God and having the good will of all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number every day those who were being saved." Imperfect tense

Acts 15:11, "On the contrary, we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they are.” Present tense.

Romans 8:24, "For in hope we were saved. [imperfect tense] Now hope that is seen is not hope, because who hopes for what he sees?"

1 Corinthians 1:18, "For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." Present tense.

1 Corinthians 15:2, "and by which you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message I preached to you—unless you believed in vain."
Present tense.

2 Corinthians 2:15, "For we are a sweet aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing—" Present tense.

Ephesians 2:5, "Even though we were dead in offenses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you are saved!—" Present tense

2 Timothy 1:9, "He is the one who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not based on our works but on his own purpose and grace, granted to us in Christ Jesus before time began" Past tense. This has already happened!

Titus 3:5, "he saved us not by works of righteousness that we have done but on the basis of his mercy, through the washing of the new birth and the renewing of the Holy Spirit" Past tense. This has already happened!

Of all the Catholic falsities that you post, this is perhaps the most grievous error. By grace are you saved through faith, not by works!

Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast."

This clearly demonstrates the main flaw of the Catholic doctrine!! We have been saved through our faith in Christ; it is not conditional! You don't have to continually sin, beg forgiveness from a priest, say x number of "Hail Marys", light some candles, pray to dead people, swallow crackers and a thimble of wine, etc. etc. etc. You think it's all by works!!! It isn't!!! It is by faith and faith alone.

You can continue to post a million out-of-context verses, spew nonsense about "ever virgin Mary", write false information about being saved by baptism, etc. etc. etc. but it is all wrong!!

All one has to do is to accept by faith the atoning sacrifice by Jesus Christ made on your behalf and you are saved. That's it; nothing more! I grieve for you and your confused brothers and sisters who needlessly suffer over and over and over, believing false doctrine.

I pray that the eyes of your spiritual heart will some day be opened to the truth!

No most of you’re verses referred to the redemption not salvation

never said it was by works alone either!

We are members of Christ in his grace and filled with his spirit!

All our actions are meritorious


1 Corinthians 12:26
And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

1 Peter 4:13
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Religion is what man owes to God for having created him in His image and likeness!

To Christ for having redeemed him in His own blood!

to the Holy Spirit for sanctifying him in the sacraments of holy mother church!

it only Christ by His grace (merits of His blood passion and death) that we are enabled and empowered to actually be holy and righteous and all our actions

if we live by the spirit we put to death the deeds of the flesh

my grace is sufficient for you

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

our participation is required

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind (lacking) of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification)

 

[Jim B]

born does mean that but it say born again by WATER AND THE SPIRIT!

Right. You're born the first time by water -- natural birth -- and then born again -- spiritual birth. Interpreting the first as baptism is nonsense.

 

[Jim B]

No most of you’re verses referred to the redemption not salvation

never said it was by works alone either!

We are members of Christ in his grace and filled with his spirit!

All our actions are meritorious


1 Corinthians 12:26
And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

1 Peter 4:13
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Religion is what man owes to God for having created him in His image and likeness!

To Christ for having redeemed him in His own blood!

to the Holy Spirit for sanctifying him in the sacraments of holy mother church!

it only Christ by His grace (merits of His blood passion and death) that we are enabled and empowered to actually be holy and righteous and all our actions

if we live by the spirit we put to death the deeds of the flesh

my grace is sufficient for you

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

our participation is required

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind (lacking) of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification)

So "saved" doesn't mean "saved", but "redeemed"?

Even your Englyshe KJV reads, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God"

and

"And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."

It doesn't say "redeemed", it says "saved", no matter which translation you use.

 

[theefaith]

Right. You're born the first time by water -- natural birth -- and then born again -- spiritual birth. Interpreting the first as baptism is nonsense.

thats nice but not what the text actually says

“born of water born again of the spirit”

it sayeth: born again BY WATER AND THE SPIRIT!

 

[theefaith]

So "saved" doesn't mean "saved", but "redeemed"?

Yes notice it says he saved you, that was 2000 yrs ago, not when you believed, so if it’s salvation then all men are saved!

As all men are redeemed!

who’s faith is it referring to???
Eph 2:8



Even your Englyshe KJV reads, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God"

and

"And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."

It doesn't say "redeemed", it says "saved", no matter which translation you use.

Yes potentially saved, or in the process of salvation
Or Christ makes our salvation possible

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!

Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!

Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.

Salvation:
then when we are faithful to Christ and in his grace at death enter salvation!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

but none are saved until the hour of death

Matt 24:13 endures to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!

 

[Jim B]

thats nice but not what the text actually says

“born of water born again of the spirit”

it sayeth: born again BY WATER AND THE SPIRIT!

John 3:6, "What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit." Clearly these are different.

From the Believer's Bible Commentary: What did Jesus mean? Many insist that literal water is intended, and that the Lord Jesus spoke of the necessity of baptism for salvation. However, such a teaching is contrary to the rest of the Bible. Throughout the Word of God we read that salvation is by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. Baptism is intended for those who have already been saved, but not as a means of salvation."

I know that your mind is closed on this subject (and many others), so there is no reasoning with you. However, others read this thread so it is for their benefit that I explain what Scripture clearly means. Go ahead and believe the false Catholic dogma; I believe the Bible.

 

[Jim B]

Yes potentially saved, or in the process of salvation
Or Christ makes our salvation possible

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!

Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!

Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.

Salvation:
then when we are faithful to Christ and in his grace at death enter salvation!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

but none are saved until the hour of death

Matt 24:13 endures to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!

"For by grace you are saved [present tense] through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Once again, I believe God's word, not your false dogma.

 

[theefaith]

John 3:6, "What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit." Clearly these are different.

From the Believer's Bible Commentary: What did Jesus mean? Many insist that literal water is intended, and that the Lord Jesus spoke of the necessity of baptism for salvation. However, such a teaching is contrary to the rest of the Bible. Throughout the Word of God we read that salvation is by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. Baptism is intended for those who have already been saved, but not as a means of salvation."

I know that your mind is closed on this subject (and many others), so there is no reasoning with you. However, others read this thread so it is for their benefit that I explain what Scripture clearly means. Go ahead and believe the false Catholic dogma; I believe the Bible.

verse 22 has not yet import I guess

they immediately went to the river and preached accept Christ as you’re savior… oh no they baptized! Really