Bible alone

[Ronald Nolette]

Nope - not at ALL
Do YOU believe Jesus lied when He compared His very SELF with His Church to Saul on the Road to Damascus?

Acts 9:4-5
And falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting ME?”
And he said, “Who are YOU, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

Saul was persecuting His CHURCH - yet Jesus equated Himself with His Church.

Do YOU believe that Paul lied when He calls the Church - the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23)?

Yes this is true, but the church is not an institution, but an organism that is living and breathing. It is the individual believers in all sects that is the fulness of Jesus, not a particular sect.

 

[Marine0311]

The church are those in Christ not those following the lies of man made traditions.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Have you never heard of the Great Western Schism when there were 3 popes at the same time and everyone of them had their own college of cardinals ? Now the question is which one had apostolic succession ? The lie if apostolic succession has only fooled those who don’t know your cults history.

EVERY member of the clergy had Apostoolic Succession during this time.
Just because there were 2 men sho falsely claimed the Papacy for themselves doesn't "change" this fac.

Apostolic Succession is a BIBLICAL concept.
We see it in Acts 1, when the Apostles gathered to choose - NOT a replacement for Judas - but a SUCCESSOR to his office.
Acts 1:20
Let another take his office.

The Greek word used for "office" in Acts 1:20 is "Episkopay (Bishopric).
Anything else?

 

[Marine0311]

EVERY member of the clergy had Apostoolic Succession during this time.
Just because there were 2 men sho falsely claimed the Papacy for themselves doesn't "change" this fac.

Apostolic Succession is a BIBLICAL concept.
We see it in Acts 1, when the Apostles gathered to choose - NOT a replacement for Judas - but a SUCCESSOR to his office.
Acts 1:20
Let another take his office.

The Greek word used for "office" in Acts 1:20 is "Episkopay (Bishopric).
Anything else?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nope - not at ALL
Do YOU believe Jesus lied when He compared His very SELF with His Church to Saul on the Road to Damascus?

Acts 9:4-5
And falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting ME?”
And he said, “Who are YOU, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

Saul was persecuting His CHURCH - yet Jesus equated Himself with His Church.

Do YOU believe that Paul lied when He calls the Church - the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23)?

Because Saul was persecuting teh Holy Spirit in them which represented Jesus who was represented by the body of people Saul went after. It is the same when we say when someone burns an american flag they are desecrating all of what America stands for.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes this is true, but the church is not an institution, but an organism that is living and breathing. It is the individual believers in all sects that is the fulness of Jesus, not a particular sect.

WRONG.
At the Last Sipper - Jesus prayed fervently that His Church remain ONE - as He and the Father are ONE(John 17:20-23).

He didn't pray for the perpetual splintering that occurred in the 16th century and continues to this day.

 

[Marine0311]

Not even close . Your cult has replaced God the Father with a pope, replaced Jesus with Mary, and replaced the Holy Spirit with human priest.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Lol, there was no Roman Catholic Church in 107 AD.

And there is no "Roman" Catholic Church today.
Go back and READ post #68 where I already gave you a lesson on this term . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Because Saul was persecuting teh Holy Spirit in them which represented Jesus who was represented by the body of people Saul went after. It is the same when we say when someone burns an american flag they are desecrating all of what America stands for.

NOT exactly.

The Church is the Bride of Christ - and is the Bridegroom. This is a far more radical union that what the American flag represents. Jesus and His Church are truly ONE - accpording to the very Scriptures that YOU purport to be our "SOLE" Authority (Acts 9:4-5, Eph. 1:22-23).

 

[Jim B]

Nope.
I believe in ACTUALLY trusting in Scripture and not just pretending to, like you Sola Scripturists.

Scripture tells us that Jesus gave final earthly Authority to His CHURCH - not to Scipture itself (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).

He told them that the Holy Spirit would guide His Church to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

He told the leaders of His Church that whoever lietend to or rejected THEM listed to HIM and the ONE who sent Him (Luke 10:16).

NOWHERE does the Bible call these "men's traditions" . . .

The church is the body of Christ...

1 Corinthians 12:21, "For just as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body—though many—are one body, so too is Christ."
1 Corinthians 12:27, "Now you are Christ’s body, and each of you is a member of it."

... it is not any one denomination.

I have news for you: the teachings of the Catholic church (and there are many of them) that depart from the teachings of the Bible, the word of God, are nothing more than men's teachings. If it's not in the Bible, it is the invention of men.

He told the leaders of His Church that whoever listened to or rejected THEM listed to HIM and the ONE who sent Him. That is why we have the Bible: the infallible word of God written by the apostles and prophets.

Here are just some of the things that are not in the Bible...

The Catholic denomination
The Pope
Cardinals
Mary "ever virgin"
Peter was the first Pope
Praying to dead people
Permission for the Crusades
Permission for the Inquisitions
Calling any man "father" Matthew 23:9, " And call no one your ‘father’ on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."
The absolution of sins by saying x number of Hail Mary prayers
etc., etc. etc.

The Bible -- the writings of the prophets and apostles -- is the infallible word of God!

Sola scriptura!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

EVERY member of the clergy had Apostoolic Succession during this time.
Just because there were 2 men sho falsely claimed the Papacy for themselves doesn't "change" this fac.

Apostolic Succession is a BIBLICAL concept.
We see it in Acts 1, when the Apostles gathered to choose - NOT a replacement for Judas - but a SUCCESSOR to his office.
Acts 1:20
Let another take his office.

The Greek word used for "office" in Acts 1:20 is "Episkopay (Bishopric).
Anything else?

Well then we should have 12 at a time then shouldn't we? that is how many Jesus appointed- no more , no less. So there should ber 12 apostles running around only.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not even close . Your cult has replaced God the Father with a pope, replaced Jesus with Mary, and replaced the Holy Spirit with human priest.

Everything you wrote anobe of a bald face LIE.

First of all - if this were true - you would be able to show me these teachings in the Catechism.
CAN you do that? I didn't think so . . .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

NOT exactly.

The Church is the Bride of Christ - and is the Bridegroom. This is a far more radical union that what the American flag represents. Jesus and His Church are truly ONE - accpording to the very Scriptures that YOU purport to be our "SOLE" Authority (Acts 9:4-5, Eph. 1:22-23).

Yes it is a flimsy example, but you got the point. and the church is not an institution or sect, but every believer in all sects who belong to HIm.

And I know that I am part of the Bride of Christ!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

WRONG.
At the Last Sipper - Jesus prayed fervently that His Church remain ONE - as He and the Father are ONE(John 17:20-23).

He didn't pray for the perpetual splintering that occurred in the 16th century and continues to this day.

Teh splintering started in the Apostles day and continues to this day. The church is not an organization but an organism. and the church is one- even if there are major disagreements as there must be when wolves sneak in and try to altere the Doctrines handed down by the only Apostles and are found in what we call the New Testament.

 

[Jim B]

And there is no "Roman" Catholic Church today.
Go back and READ post #68 where I already gave you a lesson on this term . . .

A brief search on the internet produced this....

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with 1.3 billion baptised Catholics worldwide as of 2019.

The main differences between Roman Catholics and Catholics are that Roman Catholics form the major Christian group, and Catholics are only a small group of the Christian community, also called as “Greek Orthodox.”

Roman Catholicism: Christian church that has been the decisive spiritual force in the history of Western civilization. Along with Eastern Orthodoxy and Protestantism, it is one of the three major branches of Christianity. The Roman Catholic Church traces its history to Jesus Christ and the Apostles.

Roman Catholic is a 19th-century British coinage and merely serves to distinguish that church from other churches that are Catholic (see catholic church). The term Roman Church, when used officially, means only the archdiocese of Rome. Roman Catholics may be simply defined as Christians in communion with the pope.

The Roman Catholic Church traces its history to Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Over the course of centuries it developed a highly sophisticated theology and an elaborate organizational structure headed by the papacy, the oldest continuing absolute monarchy in the world.

Why should I believe you and not them?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

EVERY member of the clergy had Apostoolic Succession during this time.
Just because there were 2 men sho falsely claimed the Papacy for themselves doesn't "change" this fac.

Apostolic Succession is a BIBLICAL concept.
We see it in Acts 1, when the Apostles gathered to choose - NOT a replacement for Judas - but a SUCCESSOR to his office.
Acts 1:20
Let another take his office.

The Greek word used for "office" in Acts 1:20 is "Episkopay (Bishopric).
Anything else?

And this would be incorrect. Only teh bisjhops which teh Roman Church claims is different from just a mere priest are the successors to the Apostles.

There were no church buildings in the first century. the church met in their homes and had no real hierarchal structure like Rome has.

 

[Taken]

ONLY to those ignorant of all things Catholic - like YOU.

A Liturgical Rite is largley a a matter of cultural difference - NOT doctrinal.
Do your homework before making these kinds of idiotic statements . . .

Yep Differences, yet allowed under the same umbrella, financial support, and numbers game...

You are not the exclusive spokesman for Catholicism. Like you individual Catholics speak for themselves, everything from “born Catholic” to “worshiping statues”, even some saying, “they are not Christian, they are Catholic”. Not my problem your church is splintered and some do not get the memo of WHAT they ARE supposed to believe.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The church is the body of Christ...

1 Corinthians 12:21, "For just as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body—though many—are one body, so too is Christ."
1 Corinthians 12:27, "Now you are Christ’s body, and each of you is a member of it."

... it is not any one denomination.

The Bible - which YOU claim to be our SOLE Authority teaches against factions/denominations (1 cor. 3:4-7).
It teaches that the Church is to remain ONE - as Jesus and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).

Sooooo - why are there lliterally tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestannt factions that ALL teach different doctrines yet ALL claim to be part of the "ONE" Church?

I have news for you: the teachings of the Catholic church (and there are many of them) that depart from the teachings of the Bible, the word of God, are nothing more than men's teachings. If it's not in the Bible, it is the invention of men.

He told the leaders of His Church that whoever listened to or rejected THEM listed to HIM and the ONE who sent Him. That is why we have the Bible: the infallible word of God written by the apostles and prophets.

Here are just some of the things that are not in the Bible...

The Catholic denomination
The Pope
Cardinals
Mary "ever virgin"
Peter was the first Pope
Praying to dead people
Permission for the Crusades
Permission for the Inquisitions
Calling any man "father" Matthew 23:9, " And call no one your ‘father’ on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."
The absolution of sins by saying x number of Hail Mary prayers
etc., etc. etc.

The Bible -- the writings of the prophets and apostles -- is the infallible word of God!

We can go over SOME of the things you listed that aren't blatant lies.
Most of what you listed shows me that you have a small child's understandoing of Catholic doctrine.

Actually - I take that back., I don't want to insult small children that way . . .

Sola scriptura!

And so far - you have FAILED to show a vers that supports this fallacy . . .

 

[Marine0311]

Everything you wrote anobe of a bald face LIE.

First of all - if this were true - you would be able to show me these teachings in the Catechism.
CAN you do that? I didn't think so . . .

 

[Marine0311]

Does your pope sit in a magic chair and become infallible in matters of doctrine and dogma ? FYI, onlyGod is infallible.

 

[Marine0311]

And there is no "Roman" Catholic Church today.
Go back and READ post #68 where I already gave you a lesson on this term . . .