Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[Episkopos]

Except that the point of the good Samaritan parable was not about salvation.

It's all you care about..being "saved"...but those who seek to save their life will lose it.

....there is nothing there about the good Samaritan being saved unto eternal life.

Of course not...only Christ brings eternal life...but He ACCEPTS the Samaritan...far more than lip service people who claim to be His followers.

The point of it was a lesson about hypocrisy, nothing more than that.

False. It's about DOING the will of the Father. The hypocrisy is apparent with all who seek justification.

And a good lesson it is, but it's not a teaching about salvation. Someone may attract the favour of God, like Cornelius........but they still need Christ in them to be saved.

saved from the POWER of sin...INTO holiness. Yes, one must be in Christ to know Him and the power of His resurrection.

God went to to a lot of trouble to see that Cornelius heard and received the gospel.

To elevate a righteous man into perfection in Christ.

 

[Lizbeth]

You condemn yourself...

You speak in exact error...and hypocritically. You claim to be holy without holiness. You claim to be one spirit with God without any testimony. And you then claim that any experience you haven't had must be from another spirit. How convenient.

What you slander with shows you up. I never said that people of other religions are justified by visions...I said they are justified by their DEEDS...just as the bible attests to.

So your lack of both experience AND deeds shows you up as a pretender...and a terrible slanderer. And your claims become laughable.

Never said what you are saying I said....you better go back and read my post again. Unless this is another deliberate attempt to twist things.

On what grounds do you assume and accuse that I and others here have no testimony, no experience and no deeds? You have absolutely no grounds at all. Should we keep growing and seeking the Lord so that we have even more for His glory? Of course, yes, where there is life there is growth going on and fruit is produced in season......and He prunes even our fruitful branches to make them more fruitful.

All the righteous OT saints had FAITH......and even they needed to have the gospel preached to them, as that is why Jesus descended to do that when He died. Are there people today in the world who have similar faith but haven't had opportunity to receive Christ yet? I believe it is possible, don't see why not.....but if so, be sure the Lord will see to it that they receive revelation of Christ and the gospel somehow.

I wonder whether you have ever been cut to the quick and repented of your past in your younger years? No need to answer me, but I wonder if that is what you need to do and be cleansed/delivered from all that.

 

[Behold]

The ONLY assurance we have of salvation is in being joined to Christ in Zion

Beng born again is the only proof a person has become a Christian.

 

[Behold]

In theory? How do you know that your faith joins you to Christ?

Its because Our "Faith is accepted by God as (Christ's) Righteouenss".

This means that the born again is become "Justified by faith".......based on The Cross of Christ......having received "imputed righteousness".

All the born again are ""Made righteous" by God by the imputation of the "Gift of Rightoeusness".

 

[Behold]

It's about DOING the will of the Father.

The "Will of the Father" is that you "believe on Jesus whom God sent".

This is 'faith in Christ" that God accepts to justify a sinner, and then give them the "imputed righteousness" that is God's "Gift of Salvation".

 

[Behold]

We are not responsible for what happens to us (good or bad) but we are responsible of what we do with it (whether good or bad).

Yes, FREE WILL does exist, everyone has it, and we are accountable regarding how we choose to use it.

 

[Behold]

You claim to be holy without holiness.

Every believer has become "The righteousness of God in Christ".

You claim to be one spirit with God without any testimony.

Every Christian is born again Spiritually, = 'In Christ"....as "one wtih God".

This is why the NT says that every Christian is currently "seated in Heavenly places".

 

[Behold]

So your lack of both experience AND deeds shows you up as a pretender.

A pretender would be a person who teaches that Paul's Gospel "" is Delusion.""
A pretender would be a person who teaches that "The Cross is not about forgiveness".

So, as you teach those Cross denying Lies.....you prove that you are indeed the capital pretender on the forum..... Mr Zion.

This is obvious to any real born again Christian.

 

[Behold]

Yes....God loves the righteous..humble and God-fearing. These are ACCEPTED with God.

God does not accept the nice or the sweet or the God-fearing.

God accepts Christ's Sacrifice on their Behalf, or you are not accepted at all......and never will be.

 

[Behold]

You are reading the bible wrong. No one said that the righteous have the Father.

Every born again Christian is "made Righteous", having received from God, "imputed righteousness".

So, the "made righteous" absolutely "have the father and the son and the Holy Spirit".

Every born again believer has become "The Temple of the Holy Spirit".

 

[amigo de christo]

Except that the point of the good Samaritan parable was not about salvation.....there is nothing there about the good Samaritan being saved unto eternal life. The point of it was a lesson about hypocrisy, nothing more than that. And a good lesson it is, but it's not a teaching about salvation. Someone may attract the favour of God, like Cornelius........but they still need Christ in them to be saved. God went to to a lot of trouble to see that Cornelius heard and received the gospel.

You want to hear a lovely example of a good samaritain .
ONE who gave HIS GOODS to the poor and prayed always .
Let me introduce us to CORNELIOUS .
What a good samartian HE was sister . AND GOD sure was pleased with his good deeds and alms .
But as peter reminded the church at jerusalem
GOD sent PETER to preach WORDS to that man , AKA THE GOSPEL OF YE MUST BLEIEVE IN JESUS ,
to be SAVED . YOU SPOT ON RIGHT SISTER . NEVER Let epi and others fool us .
I have long warned against his kind of which there are many flocked over christendom that lead this people
to the day of THE MOST HORRENDOUS JUDGMENT and PERIDTOIN against them .
JESUS IS BEING DENIED . JESUS IS BEING denied by many now who even profess TO KNOW HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

Except that the point of the good Samaritan parable was not about salvation.....there is nothing there about the good Samaritan being saved unto eternal life. The point of it was a lesson about hypocrisy, nothing more than that. And a good lesson it is, but it's not a teaching about salvation. Someone may attract the favour of God, like Cornelius........but they still need Christ in them to be saved. God went to to a lot of trouble to see that Cornelius heard and received the gospel.

You know exactly what i had done with those who refuse and keep refusing to HEED THE YE MUST BLEIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Had this been my site i had done exactly what JESUS had said to do to such
and later paul and john and others confirmed .
A man who is a heretick , after the first and second admonition , YE REJECT THEM
But as you already know THIS ALL INCLUSIVE JUDGE NOT gene ration WILL NOT DO THIS
and this is exactly why the lie keeps fillling up places . TILL WE RETURN to the original GOD INSPIRED pattern
LEAVEN WILL ONLY TAKE OVER the churches and fill the places full in time with leaven .

 

[amigo de christo]

This generation had better abandon this judge not correct not mindset . Cause the lie is already here .
And this leaven will infect and overflow those who will not follow the pattern left to us BY CHRIST and later the apostels .

 

[Episkopos]

You know exactly what i had done with those who refuse and keep refusing to HEED THE YE MUST BLEIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Had this been my site i had done exactly what JESUS had said to do to such
and later paul and john and others confirmed .
A man who is a heretick , after the first and second admonition , YE REJECT THEM
But as you already know THIS ALL INCLUSIVE JUDGE NOT gene ration WILL NOT DO THIS
and this is exactly why the lie keeps fillling up places . TILL WE RETURN to the original GOD INSPIRED pattern
LEAVEN WILL ONLY TAKE OVER the churches and fill the places full in time with leaven .

You want good old Phariseeism to come back? Well it has already! Those who are spiritual in Christ are as rare as fine gold...as prophesied.

 

[Episkopos]

You want to hear a lovely example of a good samaritain .
ONE who gave HIS GOODS to the poor and prayed always .
Let me introduce us to CORNELIOUS .
What a good samartian HE was sister . AND GOD sure was pleased with his good deeds and alms .
But as peter reminded the church at jerusalem
GOD sent PETER to preach WORDS to that man , AKA THE GOSPEL OF YE MUST BLEIEVE IN JESUS ,
to be SAVED . YOU SPOT ON RIGHT SISTER . NEVER Let epi and others fool us .
I have long warned against his kind of which there are many flocked over christendom that lead this people
to the day of THE MOST HORRENDOUS JUDGMENT and PERIDTOIN against them .
JESUS IS BEING DENIED . JESUS IS BEING denied by many now who even profess TO KNOW HIM .

You don't understand the gospel. The gospel is not about salvation...it's about GLORY...the GLORIOUS gospel.

But these things are FAARRR above your understanding...so you opt for dogmatism and an ideology that has no power or truth. Many have fallen into a bible communication trap.

 

[amigo de christo]

You don't understand the gospel. The gospel is not about salvation...it's about GLORY...the GLORIOUS gospel.

But these things are FAARRR above your understanding...so you opt for dogmatism and an ideology that has no power or truth.

Epi you can holler all day long i do not understand the gospel , you can holler all day long that the gospel is not about salvation .
BUT you lie . you lie .
I am not ashamed of the GOSPEL of CHRIST for it is the POWER OF GOD unto salvation unto all who do beleive .
SO TRY AGAIN epi . YOU bought into this socially engineered by satan and taught through men FALSE GOSPEL .
IT is THEE and NOT ME who does NOT understand the gospel at all . IN fact you preach ANOTHER gospel .
You are in upmost deadly and dire danger . Your punishment will be worse than the ice cold
cause you use THE NAME OF JESUS to DENY HIS GOSPEL that does save . I shudder in total fear f or you .
And must continue to expose you cause most folks have bought into this judge not correct not lets all get along crap .
But expose you i will . NOW REPENT of this your socially engineered gospel , BEFORE ITS TOO late epi .

 

[amigo de christo]

You want good old Phariseeism to come back? Well it has already! Those who are spiritual in Christ are as rare as fine gold...as prophesied.

Oh dear epi , if only you KNEW who the real pharisee was epi . if only you knew , but it is hid from you .
If you want and desire to know who this great pharisee is that i speak about .
Well friend go to your bathroom and look into the mirror . YE SHALL SEE HIM VERY VERY CLEARLY .

 

[Episkopos]

The gospel doesn't cancel all that came before it. It takes us deeper into God's will. It's something new - built on old foundations, not divorced from the law, but fulfilling it.

You don't tear down a ground floor to build an UPPER floor. You use new materials to build on what is tried and proven.

What is a bible communication trap? Reading things into the text that aren't there. The bible is not a zero-sum proposition. It is a non-zero- sum proposition.

Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which brings forth out of his treasure things new and old. Matt 13:52

I cover these things in my book..."The Sum of All Possibilities in Christ."

 

[amigo de christo]

The gospel doesn't cancel all that came before it. It takes us deeper into God's will. It's something new - built on old foundations, not divorced from the law, but fulfilling it.

You don't tear down a ground floor to build an UPPER floor. You use new materials to build on what is tried and proven.

What is a bible communication trap? Reading things into the text that aren't there. The bible is not a zero sum game. It is a non-zero sum game.

Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which brings forth out of his treasure things new and old.

I cover these things in my book..."The Sum of All Possibilities in Christ."

all that came before . well gee EPI who DID GOD prophesy of
WHO did the law and the prophets prophesy about .
WHY was the law EVEN added in the first place
OF COURSE the gospel does not cancel out the torah and prophets
IT POINTS TO THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HE WHO DID FULLFILL all RIGHTEOUSNESS
so as they can be saved , justified , be made the righteousness of GOD
From all things BY WHICH ONE CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THEY DEEDS , BY THE LAW EPI .
TRY preaching THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST
cause no matter what concepts , no matter if you even used HIS WORDS
ITS ALL IN VAIN if one DOES NOT BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and IF ONE DOES BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
THEY HAD PREACHED HIM EPI , THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM EPI . YOU DONT .
you preach mans own abilities . WELL HELLO ADAM and EVE cause that is your gospel . AND that one CANNOT save man .

 

[Lizbeth]

You are reading the bible wrong. No one said that the righteous have the Father. That is for the saints. And your lies are SO BLATANT. You are calling Peter a liar? He is the one who says that people are ACCEPTED by BEHAVIOUR...namely DOING or WORKING righteousness and fearing God.

Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Try being honest just one time. I didn't write the bible...but you are here to slander the bible and speak lies. Just admit that you have NO IDEA what the gospel is...

The meek inherit the earth....they are NOT joined to the Father. It doesn't say...only the Christian meek. People can claim to be Christians until the cows come home. That doesn't change God's judgment.

And you are writing these slanders and lies to impress the others here ...the pack. And their egos are aligned with yours.


Again, you are speaking in theory regarding how you appropriate what's in the bible for yourself.

You are making God jump through your hoops. God gives visions to those who He is calling into holiness...not just into being able to claim a saved status and then to condemn others.

Election is for those who are being conformed to Christ in holiness and character....not just for salvation. Salvation is for MORE people than the elect.

Not going to keep up this back and forth any more. So strange that anyone would keep insisting people can have fear of a God they have no knowledge of and don't believe in.