Note....I tried to separate this thread into five segments so it would be easier to digest...it wouldn't allow me to do that. I even signed out and then signed back in to post the next segment and still...it was all placed together. Sorry...I tried. :)
This thread is to understand what is meant by.....Horses, Chariots and Whirlwinds. As with so much in the Bible there are two sides and both sides have their horses, chariots and whirlwinds. Although some may have been literal...we know that not all are to be understood that way. So, just what are they? Who or what do they represent? First...the horses, chariots and whirlwinds of fire.
2 Kings 2:11-12 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
2 Kings 13:14 Now Elisha was fallen sick of his sickness whereof he died. And Joash the king of Israel came down unto him, and wept over his face, and said, O my father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof.
2 Kings 6:16-18 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them. And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And He smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
Deuteronomy 20:1 When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the LORD thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
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Our Father and His forces.....
Psalm 104:1-4 Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: Who layeth the beams of His chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds His chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: Who maketh His angels spirits; His ministers a flaming fire:
Ezekiel 1:3-5 The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him. And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
Ezekiel 1:15-20 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went. As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
Zechariah 10:2-5 For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd. Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited His flock the house of Judah, and hath made them as His goodly horse in the battle. Out of him came forth the corner, out of him the nail, out of him the battle bow, out of him every oppressor together. And they shall be as mighty men, which tread down their enemies in the mire of the streets in the battle: and they shall fight, because the LORD is with them, and the riders on horses shall be confounded.
Psalms 32:8-9 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with Mine eye. Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
Isaiah 66:14-16 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward His servants, and His indignation toward His enemies. For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by His sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Jeremiah 23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
Jeremiah 30:22-24 And ye shall be My people, and I will be your God. Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked. The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until He hath done it, and until He have performed the intents of His heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.
Satan's forces.....
Jeremiah 4:13 Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled.
Isaiah 31:1-3 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD! Yet He also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back His words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity. Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit. When the LORD shall stretch out His hand, both he that helpeth shall fall, and he that is holpen shall fall down, and they all shall fail together.
Psalm 20:6-8 Now know I that the LORD saveth His anointed; He will hear him from His holy heaven with the saving strength of His right hand. Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God. They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen, and stand upright.
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This thread is to understand what is meant by.....Horses, Chariots and Whirlwinds. As with so much in the Bible there are two sides and both sides have their horses, chariots and whirlwinds. Although some may have been literal...we know that not all are to be understood that way. So, just what are they? Who or what do they represent? First...the horses, chariots and whirlwinds of fire.
2 Kings 2:11-12 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
They walked together then suddenly a "chariot and horses of fire" appeared. They were set apart by them and then Elijah was taken by a whirlwind up into heaven.
Was Elisha saying that Elijah was the chariot and horsemen of Israel or was he saying....look, it's the chariot and horsemen of Israel coming for Elijah? That question is answered.....
Was Elisha saying that Elijah was the chariot and horsemen of Israel or was he saying....look, it's the chariot and horsemen of Israel coming for Elijah? That question is answered.....
2 Kings 13:14 Now Elisha was fallen sick of his sickness whereof he died. And Joash the king of Israel came down unto him, and wept over his face, and said, O my father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof.
Elisha, as Elijah, was also "the chariot of Israel and the horsemen thereof," for in, [11 Kings 2:15] it is written...."the spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha[/I]," and that "spirit" is the key to unlocking what the chariots are.
As Elijah and Elisha were respectively but one individual they cannot be properly termed "horsemen" so we understand that they, as those filled with this same spirit, the spirit of prophecy, are the horsemen of Israel. God's horsemen are those God dwells in, His prophets/saints...those His Spirit guides and they in turn prophesy His Word to God's children who are those they teach, those that follow God, those that are the horses. The horsemen guide the horses...leading them on a specific path. Horsemen of God lead them to God and the promised land but Satan's horsemen lead them to Egypt. In the case of the "horses of fire" they would be angelic beings but there are also horses in flesh. What are the chariots...both the heavenly chariots of fire and the ones on earth?
Both Elijah and Elisha were termed "the chariot and horsemen of Israel." I believe that the "spirit of Elijah," that our Saviour spoke of IS the chariot of Israel. The spirit the horses of fire run with, the spirit they carry, is His chariot of Israel.
These horses and chariots of fire are better explained in the following passages. Here, when Elisha was facing an enemy he said to his frightened servant.....
As Elijah and Elisha were respectively but one individual they cannot be properly termed "horsemen" so we understand that they, as those filled with this same spirit, the spirit of prophecy, are the horsemen of Israel. God's horsemen are those God dwells in, His prophets/saints...those His Spirit guides and they in turn prophesy His Word to God's children who are those they teach, those that follow God, those that are the horses. The horsemen guide the horses...leading them on a specific path. Horsemen of God lead them to God and the promised land but Satan's horsemen lead them to Egypt. In the case of the "horses of fire" they would be angelic beings but there are also horses in flesh. What are the chariots...both the heavenly chariots of fire and the ones on earth?
Both Elijah and Elisha were termed "the chariot and horsemen of Israel." I believe that the "spirit of Elijah," that our Saviour spoke of IS the chariot of Israel. The spirit the horses of fire run with, the spirit they carry, is His chariot of Israel.
These horses and chariots of fire are better explained in the following passages. Here, when Elisha was facing an enemy he said to his frightened servant.....
2 Kings 6:16-18 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them. And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And He smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
The horses and chariots of fire are God's army, His angelic army (as we are His earthly army, His chariots, horsemen and horses in this flesh life) and they are around us as we face the enemy. But what of those on the other side, the side of our enemy?
Deuteronomy 20:1 When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the LORD thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
When we see the enemy, recognize his forces and their chariots of spiritual wickedness they want to overtake us with...do not be afraid, do not be deceived! Our Father protects us. Not all are able to discern the spirit of their chariots...but...we are:
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
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Our Father and His forces.....
Psalm 104:1-4 Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: Who layeth the beams of His chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds His chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: Who maketh His angels spirits; His ministers a flaming fire:
His chariot is "the clouds," and the clouds are His witnesses. We, as His many witnesses, are His clouds, we are His chariot that carries His Words of fire, raining it down upon those that will hear.
Ezekiel 1:3-5 The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him. And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
God is The Word and The Word came expressly to Ezekiel....So, God was in the whirlwind of fire for "the Word was God." [John 1:1] This whirlwind was a great cloud filled with fire. That fire is His Word and His Word is the Lord...."Is not My word like as a fire? saith the LORD." [Jeremiah 23:29] There was a literal object in it's midst that held living creatures and that object is said to be the "colour of amber," meaning it was "a shining substance, bronze or polished metal." I wonder what that object was for it held not only living creatures but "His throne" and "the glory of the Lord?" [Ezekiel 1:26]
Ezekiel 1:15-20 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went. As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
The living creatures (angelic beings) were beside one of the wheels (picture this wheel situated flatly on it's side as a circular disk, frisby-like...not upright as a rolling wheel) which had landed. The other wheels, round, disk shaped objects, apparently had not landed. Their color was "of a beryl" which is a "yellow colored stone." Or...the colour of amber, defined as "bronze, polished metal. As these wheels traveled about in the air they remained as a dish, flat, "on their sides" and they didn't turn as would a car, wagon, horse, etc. but they simply, suddenly changed direction. Picture the "wheel in the middle of a wheel" as another layer, section to the craft...a ring with eyes - portholes? The beings were in the wheel/craft for when it was lifted up so were the living creatures...they were passengers in the wheels, the wheels were in the whirlwind, the whirlwind was a tempest, a great bright cloud filled with fire.
He just showed us how His forces travel. His horses of fire, angelic beings, living creatures...are in the wheels. What of His earthly horses?
He just showed us how His forces travel. His horses of fire, angelic beings, living creatures...are in the wheels. What of His earthly horses?
Zechariah 10:2-5 For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd. Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited His flock the house of Judah, and hath made them as His goodly horse in the battle. Out of him came forth the corner, out of him the nail, out of him the battle bow, out of him every oppressor together. And they shall be as mighty men, which tread down their enemies in the mire of the streets in the battle: and they shall fight, because the LORD is with them, and the riders on horses shall be confounded.
The house of Judah IS His goodly horse. This horse carried His Word and guarded it through the millennia. From this horse came the Savior. Our Father fights with them as he confounds the horsemen, the leaders, of the enemy's horses.
Psalms 32:8-9 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with Mine eye. Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
Isaiah 66:14-16 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward His servants, and His indignation toward His enemies. For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by His sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Jeremiah 23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
Jeremiah 30:22-24 And ye shall be My people, and I will be your God. Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked. The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until He hath done it, and until He have performed the intents of His heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.
The chariots carry many different spirits that God's horses and Satan's horses pull forward in this life. There is....the spirit of God, of the Lord, of His Son, of Elijah, of meekness, of truth, of humbleness, wisdom and revelation, understanding, judgment, holiness, of life, promise, adoption, of counsel and might, the spirit of the fear of the Lord, the spirit of grace and the spirit of prophecy which is the testimony of Jesus. There is also.... the spirit of error, of man, slumber, whoredoms, spirit of the beast, fear, bondage, divination, of Egypt, the world, an unclean devil, infirmity and the spirit of antichrist.
There are many various chariots that are many various spirits and the horses of both sides are ridden by the horsemen/leaders of both sides of the equation.
These chariots, these various spirits we live by, are "like a whirlwind." What of Satan's forces?
There are many various chariots that are many various spirits and the horses of both sides are ridden by the horsemen/leaders of both sides of the equation.
These chariots, these various spirits we live by, are "like a whirlwind." What of Satan's forces?
Satan's forces.....
Jeremiah 4:13 Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled.
As we are God's great cloud of witnesses....Satan too has clouds of followers, his false witnesses.
Isaiah 31:1-3 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD! Yet He also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back His words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity. Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit. When the LORD shall stretch out His hand, both he that helpeth shall fall, and he that is holpen shall fall down, and they all shall fail together.
Psalm 20:6-8 Now know I that the LORD saveth His anointed; He will hear him from His holy heaven with the saving strength of His right hand. Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God. They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen, and stand upright.
The horses and chariots of fire are spirit, they are of God. The horses and chariots of Egypt, although they are many and they are strong...are NOT God, nor of God, nor are the horses spirit. They are flesh and they shall fall along with all those that trust in them and "stay on horses." He WILL NOT call back His words! We must understand what those "horses and chariots" are.
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Horses carry their riders, the horsemen, (leaders) and the horses (people) are needed to vote in order to keep their leader at the reins...riding their backs. If our leaders cause people to "return to Egypt," by promising....your home, your food, your education, your health...will be paid for then those horses continue to be ridden by the horsemen...the bit stays in their mouths and they are under the horsemen's control with the bridle in their hands. They keep voting them in because they're promised a nice fresh stall and lots of oats to eat. They need just over 50% of the horses under their control and...they're in power forever. They are controlled through Politics, Finance, Education and Religion. All designed to keep their horses attached to their chariots.
