Biblical Mary

[Wrangler]

FAQ: Aren't you going to explain these arguments about which you speak?

A: They're online.

Why are you on this forum?

 

[Wrangler]

Then why bring up the language?

Because you did.

Jesus is not God.

One way we know this is only God is referred to as the LORD. While there are many lords in the Bible, no lord is called God. Other languages make the same point. Only by pretending YWH and Yeshua are synonyms is the false doctrine supported. The proof text is there for all to see and read.



1 The LORD said to my Lord,[a]
“Sit in the place of honor at my right hand
until I humble your enemies,
making them a footstool under your feet.”
Psalm 110:1

 

[amigo de christo]

outside the church there is. I salvation no grace no Christ!

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark none were saved, outside the church none are saved)
The church is the ark of salvation!

spoken like a true soldier of the RCC . Inside of the RCC is not salvation . Its chambers are death my friend .
Fear not , there is an solution . COME to the bibilcal JESUS and learn HIM well and all
that the apostels would also later write . Learn THAT JESUS and learn that JESUS well .

 

[amigo de christo]

So increase your faith hope and charity and rejects those fundamentalist rigorist false teachers

Spoken like a true solider of the RCC . But many leaders of the protestant realm who have sold their souls and churches
would agree with you .
THIS is gonna become enemy number one of the entire world . Those fundamentalists that just wont conform .
yall got no idea who you are helping to usher in and that one will bring the world to be as one and its gonna kill
the lambs who refuse to conform . Just thought you should know that .
Fundamentalism is hated , due to it dont CONFORM . We truly should have been learning our bibles . Truly many should have been doing
just that . But they sat under men gone wrong and chose that instead .

 

[BloodBought 1953]

There is a Real Mary in Heaven right now.....I often wonder how Embarrassed she is with all this wasted, perverted Adulation Of her , when she knows better than almost anyone that her Son deserves ALL the credit for the Redemption Of Mankind.....I hope the misguided Fools that Worship her have not ruined her HEAVENLY STAY....

 

[Paul Christensen]

Mary was prepared by God in the first moment of Her being created by the grace of the immaculate conception

Mariology is nothing more than fiction. Peter would have known Mary, but never saw her as anyone other than a fellow believer who was baptised with the Holy Spirit along with the 118 others on the day of Pentecost. It is doubtful that Paul ever met Mary, so he would have had no personal knowledge of her. If she had been anyone more than just another believing woman, both Peter and Paul would have made mention of her as a person to be reverenced.

 

[Brakelite]

Soooooo, Justinian was recognizing and reiterating the Authority of the Papacy.
This DOESN'T mean that HE is the one who "created" that Authority.

Not ONLY do we see Pope Victor in the SECOND century giving a supreme ruling on the Quartodecimen controversy - we have the Pope (Callistus 1) already being called the "Pontifex Maximus" and "Bishop of Bishops" in Tertullian's letter, De Pudicitia in the early 3rd century. Justinian's reign took place in the SIXTH century.

You're going to HAVE to do better than that . . .

Up until Justinian, Rome and Alexandria had no doubts as to the Pope's authority with regards religious matters. Although elsewhere such authority was not accepted. But with Justinian's approval the de facto civil authority that the Pope's enjoyed after Constantine's abandonment of Rome and the resulting vacuum, was made official, and Justinian's Code became the law for European politics for the following 1200 years. The Papacy at that point in time became what is essentially a union of church and state. That is there true Catholic church. The woman, the church, riding the beast, the state. The church holding the time, the state giving is support through arms and legislation. That has been the Catholic papal way, and remains such to this day. Although as you and I know, there was that break in 1798 to 1929.
And as we both know, this current Pope is now ranging all over the world promoting the NWO and his precious mark, Sunday sacredness.
It is now such a short time till the image of that papal church/state union is raised in the name of Protestantism, and will enforce your puppies mark of authority in the earth... And Babylon the Great will be formed... The final destructive union of Catholicism, Protestantism, and everyone else in one wonderful united common good socialist fascist dictatorship.
Come out of her BoL, of you value your eternal life and believe yourself to be one of God's children.

 

[Brakelite]

Of interest to note from above is that there were in actual fact two Codes of Justinian: the first one was in force from 529 to 534, and the second one from 534 onwards. This is a useful fact when confronted with the anti-Catholic allegation that the Justinian code only came into effect in 538. In actual fact, the first Justinian Code was already being taken out of effect in 534. Yet the anti-Catholic sects say it only came into effect in 538.

And so you reveal your own deceit. Yes, the code was written earlier, but as far as Rome and the Pope was concerned, was as useless as a roll of toilet paper for having authority so long as the Goths were in military control of Rome. That changed in 538 when Belisarius, under orders from Justinian and at the request of the Pope, defeated the Goths. This began the true period of papal autonomy. Interrupted for a short time later by those same Goths, but again, pagan armies came to the Pope's aid and defeated them once and for all. The third of the 3 horns defeated and wiped off the map under the Pope's demands. The little horn had risen.

 

[Brakelite]

Belisarius took Rome in December 536, not 538.

I and sure you would have some evidence to support this right? Evidence from non Catholic historical sources?

 

[Brakelite]

the church was founded by Christ alone on Peter and the apostles according to scripture Matt 16:18

A church was most certainly founded upon the apostles. That it was your church, the one now headquartered in Rome, is untenable.

 

[Mungo]

Because you did.

Jesus is not God.

One way we know this is only God is referred to as the LORD. While there are many lords in the Bible, no lord is called God. Other languages make the same point. Only by pretending YWH and Yeshua are synonyms is the false doctrine supported. The proof text is there for all to see and read.



1 The LORD said to my Lord,[a]
“Sit in the place of honor at my right hand
until I humble your enemies,
making them a footstool under your feet.”
Psalm 110:1

Mt 22:44 ‘The Lord [kurios] said to my Lord [kurio] ,
Sit at my right hand,
till I put thy enemies under thy feet’?

In your signature you quote Mk 12:29
Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord [kurios] our God[theos], the Lord [kurios] is one;

Now what does Thomas say to Jesus in John 20:28?
Thomas answered him, “My Lord[kurios] and my God[theos]!”

And did Jesus respond "No Thomas I'm not Lord [kurios] or God[theos]"?
No, Jesus approved of what Thomas said “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”. You need to start believing

 

[Mungo]

I and sure you would have some evidence to support this right? Evidence from non Catholic historical sources?

I haven't noticed you give any evidence for your claims.
But here:
Belisarius took Sicily first in 535 CE and then Naples and Rome in 536 CE.
(worldhistory.org)

Afterwards he [Belisarius] returned to Sicily and then crossed into mainland Italy, where he captured Naples in November and Rome in December 536.
(Wikipedia)

The recovery of Italy from the Ostrogoths began in 535. Belisarius quickly took Sicily and moved steadily northward on the mainland, seizing Naples by storm and occupying Rome. Revitalized under their new king, Witigis, the Goths besieged Rome in 537–538, but Belisarius held out there brilliantly.
(Brittanica.com)

 

[Mungo]

A church was most certainly founded upon the apostles. That it was your church, the one now headquartered in Rome, is untenable.

A claim made without evidence therefore just an opinion

 

[Mungo]

And so you reveal your own deceit. Yes, the code was written earlier, but as far as Rome and the Pope was concerned, was as useless as a roll of toilet paper for having authority so long as the Goths were in military control of Rome. That changed in 538 when Belisarius, under orders from Justinian and at the request of the Pope, defeated the Goths. This began the true period of papal autonomy. Interrupted for a short time later by those same Goths, but again, pagan armies came to the Pope's aid and defeated them once and for all. The third of the 3 horns defeated and wiped off the map under the Pope's demands. The little horn had risen.

A claim made without evidence therefore just an opinion.

 

[Mungo]

Mariology is nothing more than fiction. Peter would have known Mary, but never saw her as anyone other than a fellow believer who was baptised with the Holy Spirit along with the 118 others on the day of Pentecost. It is doubtful that Paul ever met Mary, so he would have had no personal knowledge of her. If she had been anyone more than just another believing woman, both Peter and Paul would have made mention of her as a person to be reverenced.

A claim made without evidence therefore just an opinion

 

[Brakelite]

A claim made without evidence therefore just an opinion

By their fruits ye shall know them. One brief glance at the history of the Roman church readily informs one whether it be Christian or pagan. The details have been discussed on this forum and other forums repeatedly. You justify the pagan tenets of Catholic Canon law through tradition. Thus you throw aside the authority of scripture. That's fine, do what you like. But your religion is still pagan regardless. And the Pope's declarations and statements regarding climate change reveal this... Even shout this from the world's rooftops. Gaia is now the god of Rome. Come out of her.

 

[Taken]

WRONG.

God Himself foretells how the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent:
Gen. 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the WOMAN, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Study your Bible . . .

Blasting in shouting "WRONG" does not make you right. It simply makes you accusatory, without understanding.

- theefaith - claimed

Jesus is the BIOLOGICAL son of Mary.

I disagreed. I posted one verse of Scripture, in support of my disagreement.

You dictating "Study" your Bible...."
Has nothing to do with the verse I posted.

And IFY Studying the Bible is for Beneift of man to gain KNOWLEDGE of Gods Word.

(UNDERSTANDING of that KNOWLEDGE OF Gods Word (according to God), comes from God Himself.)
* Clearly you have revealed "your understanding OF Gods Word" comes to you...via a long succession of earthly men, who have elected an earthly man, as their earthly holy father.

Mary is not the Biological mother of Jesus.
Jesus is not the Biological son of Mary.

* Jesus came to earth, AS the Son of man.
...(Expressly by the WILL of God...and MANNER of God) not man...
* Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
*John 1 (reveals)
[13] Which were born...of blood... of the flesh...of the will...of God.

Jesus was revealed, AS the Son of God.
Jesus was revealed, IS the Christ.
Scripture reveals:
The Christ, IS the SEED of God.
(KNOWLEDGE Revealed; Believe it OR NOT!)

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, (me) BECAUSE ye (I) have loved me, (JESUS) AND BECAUSE I have believed that I (JESUS) came out from God.
[28] I (JESUS) came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

* Any prudent person KNOWS, earthly men are reproduced from the seed of an earthly woman being fertilized (Called Conception) which Occurs ...
(in the fallopian tubes of a woman - Not the womb)
Effected BY and through the WILL of Earthly Flesh and Blood.
* Any prudent person KNOWS, a fertilized earthly seed of a woman, leaves the fallopian tube, travels to the womans womb, and the woman is then called; Conceived (pregnant).

* Nothing whatsoever In Scripture reveals GOD fertilized Marys seed.

* Nothing whatsoever In Scripture reveals:
Mary's idea,
Mary's blood,
Mary's flesh,
Mary's BIOLOGICAL seed
* Had ANYTHING whatsoever, to do with GODS SEED, coming forth out from God (In Heaven,) In a Body God Prepared, Being Sent to Earth, being set IN Mary's Womb, by the Power of God.

* The "woman" Mary...a Jew, a Virgin, was Betrothed to a man, Named Joseph.
Joseph was in the DIRECT linage sonship of the "House of David".

* The "marriage" of the "betrothed" Mary and Joseph, "SEALED" Mary one with Joseph, that Mary also thereafter was "of the House of David"....
ANYTHING, in the appearence of a "MALE" MANKIND of thing, that would come forth out of Mary's Womb...would be called "her "son" offspring"...and ALSO "of the House of David".

According to GODS WILL and MANNER...
What came forth OUT of Mary's Womb...
WAS PRECISELY WHAT GOD, BY HIS POWER, "PUT", in Mary's Womb! ...
A MALE, called Son of man, called by the name God decided, (JESUS), and according to Gods Will and Manner...
That male, called Jesus, was Lawfully, (through Mary's marriage to Joseph); a Direct Line Descendant OF KING DAVID, and Expressly and Lawfully Entitled to one day, SIT on King Davids THRONE; the Everlasting Throne, God Himself, established Years earlier.

BOL - studying the Knowledge IN scripture IS most beneficial for mankind....
You might consider "understanding Scripture ACCORDING TO GOD" a benefit that supersedes "understanding Scripture ACCORDING TO MEN".

Praise and Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Brakelite]

A claim made without evidence therefore just an opinion.

What? Isn't what I have written precisely that which you said yourself? That the Goths were defeated in 538? Here is an excerpt from an Adventist author from late 19th century, and his account reflects precisely the wiki account you referenced.

Belisarius entered Rome on December 10, 536. But this was not an end of the struggle, for the Goths rallied their forces and resolved to dispute his possession of the city by a regular siege, which they began in March, 537. Belisarius feared despair and treachery on the part of the people. Several senators, and Pope Silverius, on proof or suspicion of treason, were sent into exile. The emperor commanded the clergy to elect a new bishop. After solemnly invoking the Holy Ghost they elected the deacon Vigilius, who, by a bribe of two hundred pounds of gold, had purchased the honor. [32] The whole nation of the Ostrogoths had been assembled for the siege of Rome, but success did not attend their efforts. Their hosts melted away in frequent and bloody combats under the city walls, and the year and nine days during which the siege lasted, witnessed almost the entire destruction of the nation. In the month of March, 538, dangers beginning to threaten them from other quarters, they raised the siege, burned their tents, and retired in tumult and confusion from the city, with numbers scarcely sufficient to preserve their existence as a nation or their identity as a people.

 

[Wrangler]

In your signature you quote Mk 12:29
Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord [kurios] our God[theos], the Lord [kurios] is one;

You are not able to respond. X is not Y. The LORD is not the same as lord. Retreating to a different language changes noting YWH is not the same as Yeshua. In the original language, the word is not kurios but Adonai. That is my signature.

Now what does Thomas say to Jesus in John 20:28?

Profound inability to respond. You are not responsible but are only capable of attempting to divert attention.

Thomas did not make a statement but an exclamation. When I drop my win glass and exclaim 'oh crap!', I am not actually claiming the wine glass is, in fact, feces. Good day - but not a nice try.

 

[Mungo]

What? Isn't what I have written precisely that which you said yourself? That the Goths were defeated in 538? Here is an excerpt from an Adventist author from late 19th century, and his account reflects precisely the wiki account you referenced.

Belisarius entered Rome on December 10, 536. But this was not an end of the struggle, for the Goths rallied their forces and resolved to dispute his possession of the city by a regular siege, which they began in March, 537. Belisarius feared despair and treachery on the part of the people. Several senators, and Pope Silverius, on proof or suspicion of treason, were sent into exile. The emperor commanded the clergy to elect a new bishop. After solemnly invoking the Holy Ghost they elected the deacon Vigilius, who, by a bribe of two hundred pounds of gold, had purchased the honor. [32] The whole nation of the Ostrogoths had been assembled for the siege of Rome, but success did not attend their efforts. Their hosts melted away in frequent and bloody combats under the city walls, and the year and nine days during which the siege lasted, witnessed almost the entire destruction of the nation. In the month of March, 538, dangers beginning to threaten them from other quarters, they raised the siege, burned their tents, and retired in tumult and confusion from the city, with numbers scarcely sufficient to preserve their existence as a nation or their identity as a people.

If you are going to count the end of the war with the Goths then that wasn't until 540. That was when they surrendered.