Books about heaven and hell.

[Triumph1300]

Since a lot of people on this forum don't believe there's a hell, many of you will probably reject testimonies given by people who claim to have been in hell and came back.

And people have also written books about being in heaven and coming back.

So, what is the general idea about these books?
Did you read any of them?

 

[Helen]

I've done some on dying and going to 'heaven'.
Even by unsaved people who "went during surgery" and came back.

I'm not saying I do not believe in 'Hell'...and I believe it is as it says:-
"Prepared for the Devil and his angels.." I do not believe that for the descendants of Adam...it is a permanent place ...
Just as I believe that God Himself is Heaven ...Not that God is "in" heaven. ...He is everything and everywhere...God IS.

I believe the God is also the Refining Fire I don't believe that there is a "fire" separate from God. Nothing possibly can be separated from God... GOD IS

Well , you did ask.

 

[Triumph1300]

I didn't ask what you believe.
I already knew that.

I was asking about opinion about books on heaven and hell.
Are these writers money hungry?
Are they liars?
Some of these writers are pastors and evangelists.
(Yup....I know....that means nothing these days either....)

 

[Naomi25]

I didn't ask what you believe.
I already knew that.

I was asking about opinion about books on heaven and hell.
Are these writers money hungry?
Are they liars?
Some of these writers are pastors and evangelists.
(Yup....I know....that means nothing these days either....)

I think it's hooey. If Paul went to heaven, and then said that it was not "lawful" or permitted for him to tell us what he saw, then why would Joe Bloggs be able to? I think the bible gives us all the info we need in regards to our afterlife. It may not satisfy our every curiosity, but it is enough for us to base our theology and understanding on. We don't need little Timmy's story, or whatever. God's story is enough.

 

[Triumph1300]

Are they liars?
What are they?

 

[Enoch111]

I was asking about opinion about books on heaven and hell.Are these writers money hungry?Are they liars?

Since those are personal testimonies, no one else can say that they are liars, since no one else has experienced whatever they have experience. A personal experience is just that.

On the other hand, only the Word of God gives us the truth about both Heaven and Hell. And while Hell was created for the devil and his angels, it is also for all who are not found in the Book of Life. If we refuse to believe this, then we should refuse to believe everything else in the Bible.

 

[Triumph1300]

We don't need little Timmy's story, or whatever. God's story is enough.

Yes, we all know that.

But if you want to stick to that, you need to disregard all testimonies.
For instance, I would not need to hear your testimony, because I have my bible.

 

[Willie T]

Since a lot of people on this forum don't believe there's a hell, many of you will probably reject testimonies given by people who claim to have been in hell and came back.

And people have also written books about being in heaven and coming back.

So, what is the general idea about these books?
Did you read any of them?

I spent six years working at our State's largest Mental Hospital. I heard enough "testimonies" to fill thirty books.

 

[Triumph1300]

I spent six years working at our State's largest Mental Hospital. I heard enough "testimonies" to fill thirty books.

So, people writing such books and giving such testimonies have mental problems??

 

[Naomi25]

Yes, we all know that.

But if you want to stick to that, you need to disregard all testimonies.
For instance, I would not need to hear your testimony, because I have my bible.

Well, sure...but testimony of what? Testimony of coming to Christ? I'll even go as far as hearing that people have testimony of dying and leaving their body, then returning when resuscitated.
But, when the bible specifically tells us that what was seen in heaven is "not lawful to be spoken about", then what are we to do? Just assume that now it's just fine and dandy? I just think we need to trust the rules God gave to Paul, don't you? If it's something we don't need to know about just now, then we don't need to know about it. We will know then.

 

[Triumph1300]

Well, sure...but testimony of what?

Your testimony, what the Lord has done in your life.
No need to testify, because we have Bibles?
That's what I was getting at.

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

OP: Books about heaven and hell ...

Here's a book about Heaven, and a person who saw it in vision: "Heaven" - http://centrowhite.org.br/files/ebooks/egw-english/books/Heaven.pdf

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

OP: Books about heaven and hell

Here's another book, which covers some of the material by those who also, in the Bible, saw Heaven:

Heaven, is it for real? - Heaven: Is It for Real? | Free Book Library | Amazing Facts

 

[bellgamin]

I have not read any of the books in the genre you have asked about. However, I have watched a TV adaptation of Timmy's particular experience. I believe the Timmy story from the standpoint that the child probably did experience *something* while in an unconscious or semi-conscious state. I further believe that Timmy initially described that experience as accurately as a child his age could do. As time progressed, & he was asked to retell his experience again & again, the comments & expectations of Timmy's listeners MAY have begun to add a bit of extra detail and "color" to Timmy's recollection of his experience.

If I personally experienced a visit to Heaven & returned, I wouldn't write a book about it. Neither, by the way, did Timmy.

 

[Naomi25]

Your testimony, what the Lord has done in your life.
No need to testify, because we have Bibles?
That's what I was getting at.

Ok...but...that's not really what the thread is about, is it? The bible is full of people's testimony's...of how people came to Christ. Clearly that is something that is not only fine, it's encouraged. But, like I said, we have a clear example in Paul when it comes to a "I went to heaven, let me tell you about it" testimony. And that example is: "it is not lawful to speak of it".
That's scripture, not me...I'm just sayin'.

 

[Willie T]

So, people writing such books and giving such testimonies have mental problems??

There's a high likelihood that all is not functioning as it should.

 

[Triumph1300]

Ok...but...that's not really what the thread is about, is it

Paul is speaking of himself in the third person…and he is giving his personal testimony of the time when he was caught up into the third heaven.

He says it happened 14 years ago and as you count back and study the Book of Acts, it is probable that this took place on his first missionary journey and perhaps when he was stoned at Lystra and left for dead…maybe that’s when the Lord caught him up into the third heaven and gave him a glimpse of that…we don’t know that for certain.

 

[Naomi25]

Paul is speaking of himself in the third person…and he is giving his personal testimony of the time when he was caught up into the third heaven.

He says it happened 14 years ago and as you count back and study the Book of Acts, it is probable that this took place on his first missionary journey and perhaps when he was stoned at Lystra and left for dead…maybe that’s when the Lord caught him up into the third heaven and gave him a glimpse of that…we don’t know that for certain.

I'm not sure of your point here, sorry. Yes, we see Paul's hesitancy to boast in his reference to himself in the third person. Everything else is speculation, really, although he does make the point of saying he did not know if he went in the body or out of the body. He seemingly didn't truly know if it were an out of body experience of if God 'raptured' him for a time, to show him these things. But it seems quite clear that when he says that he "heard things a man must not utter", and that these things were so staggering that God gave him a thorn in his flesh to stop him from being conceited about such an experience, it does make you wonder, does it not, about all those people making $$$ of their "I went to heaven" books?

 

[Nancy]

I love to read, just have never been interested in these kinds of books. I can be skeptical when it comes to some testimonies to begin with but, if there is money to be made...I'm really skeptical, lol. NOT calling anybody a liar mind you, just hold these things at arms length...like not letting just anybody lay hands on me,

 

[Triumph1300]

First thing with a lot of people is that the money comes to mind all the time.

I disagree with that because I did read some of it written by people who certainly did not need money.