1 Cor 3
His WORK burned - but HE is never said to be burned.
His WORK burned - but HE is not said to be DEAD while it happens
READ your
Bible, son . . .
More examples of what we do NOT find in 1 Cor 3 -
The punishments of sin
1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails
an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which
must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the
“temporal punishment” of sin.
These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.
1473 The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin,
but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this temporal
punishment of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the “old man” and to put on the “new man.”
1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a
cleansing fire:
As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgement,
there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offences can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.
The RCC has the PERSON burned by fire - as PUNISHMENT for sin... 1 Cor 3 says nothing at all about that. They just "make that up"
================= another detail "not in 1 Cor 3" -
In the West the belief in the existence of real fire is common. Augustine (Enarration on Psalm 37, no. 3) speaks of
the pain which purgatorial fire causes as more severe than anything a man can suffer in this life, "gravior erit ignis quam quidquid potest homo pati in hac vita" (P.L., col. 397). Gregory the Great speaks of those who after this life "will expiate their faults
by purgatorial flames," and he adds "that
the pain be more intolerable than any one can suffer in this life" (Ps. 3 poenit., n. 1). Following in the footsteps of Gregory, St. Thomas teaches (IV, dist. xxi, q. i, a.1) that besides the separation of the soul from the sight of God,
there is the other punishment from fire. "Una poena damni, in quantum scilicet retardantur a divina visione; alia sensus secundum quod ab igne punientur", and St. Bonaventure not only agrees with St. Thomas but adds (IV, dist. xx, p.1, a.1, q. ii) that this
punishment by fire is more severe than any punishment which comes to men in this life; "Gravior est omni temporali poena. quam modo sustinet anima carni conjuncta". How this fire affects the souls of the departed the Doctors do not know, and in such matters it is well to heed the warning of the Council of Trent when it commands the bishops "to exclude from their preaching difficult and subtle questions which tend not to edification',
and from the discussion of which there is no increase either in piety or devotion" (Sess. XXV, "De Purgatorio").
Look - I've pretty much established that you're about the most dishonest poster on this board. Some of the others take a break from their lies - but not YOU.
More vapid emotionalism? really? that is all you have ???
Please be serious.
Here is the text of 1 Cor 3:10:15.
Not sure if you can be trusted at this point in your over-the-top emotional state to quote a simple Bible text.
But each man must be careful how he builds on it. 11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14 If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
The WORK is what is burned.
The MAN is never said to be dead.
The MAN is never said to be burned while dead.
The MAN is never said to be burned .. only his work/teaching/doctrine... hay, stubble, straw (details matter)
The "day" - vs "the night" - in the day it is revealed if the work is fluff or not. Hay, wood, stubble or gold. For each man's doctrine is teaching built on the foundation - which is Christ.
The is about evangelists - their WORK is their teaching and that teaching is built on the foundation of Christ. It has nothing to do with being dead and then "punished" as the RCC says about purgatory.
The point remains.
Details matter no matter how emotional you get in response to them.
If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage.
But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved,* but only as through fire.
Just
WHAT do
YOU think
"The DAY" is referring to, Einstein??
Hint: The
DAY of the
LORD (Judgement Day).
Sooooo,
WHAT makes you think the person
ISN'T dead and being judged??
Are you
really this
dense - or is it just an
act??[/QUOTE]
Ummmmm, first of all – there are SEVERAL passages that speak of forgiving sins AFTER death.
That is a rabbit trail. Purgatory is not about a way to get forgiveness of sins after death - it is about paying off your own debt of venial sin. It is about an imaginary spiritual bank of torment and suffering with credit paid in by dead saints - and then the RCC having some sort of "check" that it can write against that bank of surplus suffering to be applied to your case.
I know this is a foreign idea to you – but Catholics read the Scriptures in CONTEXT -
I have to admit - the idea that Catholics are reading scripture "in context" is a foreign idea to me. I was not aware of that. Do you have proof?
1 Cor. 3:12-15 isn’t the ONLY passage that speaks of purgation and forgiveness after death – it’s just one of the best at describing the process.
1 Cor 3 does not mention death in the entire chapter. Try something that is factual.
There are MANY verses that describe God handing out his justice as a Refiner. A refiner is someone who takes the raw material for metal and actually gets the gold and silver and iron from that material - and he does it with FIRE.
But not refining anyone after a person has died. How is it that the salient point of your own argument keeps "missing your attention" as it goes missing in the texts you select??
This same "key detail" keeps getting skipped in your responses
Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??
Additionally, Matt. 12:32 states, “whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”, which indicates that there IS purification and forgiveness after death for some.
The text says "NOT FORGIVEN" and you insert "IS FORGIVEN" in the age to come.
Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??
Matt. 18:32-35 and Luke 12:58-59 are additional verses that support this doctrine.
None of them mention the death of the person or someone getting forgiveness after they die.
Details matter.
While it is true that toss the person into the torturer's prison - the lake of fire, the wages of sin, the judgment that casts into fiery hell -- occurs in after the "first death" and after the second resurrection of Rev 20... it is not true that we see there "forgiveness".