ahhh then there IS a bit of light at the end of that tunnel!!
-------- fine then the "details" you keep ignoring...
Indeed - Bible banning, Bible burning, historic fact.
hmm let's see how they could have gotten spun around to do such a horrific thing
It already sounds bad...
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Bible possession once banned by the Catholic Church!
ITEM #1 POPE INNOCENT III
Pope Innocent III stated in 1199:
... "to be reproved are those who translate into French the Gospels, the letters of Paul, the psalter, etc. They are moved by a certain love of Scripture in order to explain them clandestinely and to preach them to one another. The mysteries of the faith are not to explained rashly to anyone. Usually in fact, they cannot be understood by everyone but only by those who are qualified to understand them with informed intelligence. The depth of the divine Scriptures is such that not only the illiterate and uninitiated have difficulty understanding them, but also the educated and the gifted" (Denzinger-Schönmetzer,
Enchiridion Symbolorum 770-771)
Source:
Bridging the Gap -
Lectio Divina, Religious Education, and the Have-not's by Father John Belmonte, S.J.
ITEM #2 COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.
The Council of Toulouse, which met in November of 1229, about the time of the crusade against the Albigensians, set up a special ecclesiastical tribunal, or court, known as the Inquisition (Lat. inquisitio, an inquiry), to search out and try heretics. Twenty of the forty-five articles decreed by the Council dealt with heretics and heresy. It ruled in part:
"Canon 1. We appoint, therefore, that the archbishops and bishops shall swear in one priest, and two or three laymen of good report, or more if they think fit, in every parish, both in and out of cities, who shall diligently, faithfully, and frequently seek out the heretics in those parishes, by searching all houses and subterranean chambers which lie under suspicion. And looking out for appendages or outbuildings, in the roofs themselves, or any other kind of hiding places, all which we direct to be destroyed."
Canon 6. Directs that the house in which any heretic shall be found shall be destroyed.
"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books."
Source:
Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters, Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980 by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195, citing S. R. Maitland,
Facts and Documents [
illustrative of the history, doctrine and rites, of the ancient Albigenses & Waldenses], London, Rivington, 1832, pp. 192-194.
Yep pretty horrific. No wonder Pope Francis apologized to the Waldenses last year.
The dark ages start around 538A.D. and end in the 1700's - you may recognize that span of time.
Protestants take that position all the time - but you can seldom ever find a Catholic arguing that the RCC was comitting crimes against humanity in the dark ages with their extermination policies, their burning Bibles, burning humans at the stake, inquisition, etc.
The most logical response is to just chalk it all up to sin, evil, crime, ignorance and move on -- which is what Protestants do whenever some bad detail about Protestant history surfaces. Catholics on the other hand tend to "cling" to those bad ideas as 'infallible' since they are on record as being endorsed by supposedly infallible ecumenical councils and commands placed into canon law. They have to toss the doctrine on infallability out the window if they want to come clean on this topic.
1. I did point out that there are some instances where a Protestant nations does something wrong.
2. but that fades to pale by comparison to the RCC's 1260 years of the dark ages
What I do NOT have to do - is circle wagons around any Protestant errors of the past as if some protestant doctrine would fail if any of their bad actors in history were to be condemned.
We can all see that "imagining" those happy-fictions to yourself may be a fine way of keeping your blinders on... but it falls far short of an actual "compelling" and substantive response to the points raised. You knew that right?
As compared to the NT age when reading was found as a common and basic skill among both the gentiles and the Jews. How "sad" that the RCC had the ability to promote illiteracy during the dark ages. How in the world does this "help you"??
Also true during the NT age when they "
studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - WERE SO" Acts 17:11.
Luke 24 -
25 And He said to them, “O foolish men and
slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself
in all the Scriptures.
Still "not helping you". Make a point that helps your argument please.
As it is - the "Facts refute" your attempts at every turn. Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??
No doubt success and education were frowned upon by the RCC for centuries -- as you seem to want to argue. Not sure how this helps your argument.
It appears that lacking an actual argument - you are resorting to bold type and large font. How sad.
I assume you have imagined a scenario where that point actually helps your argument against "sola scriptura" testing instead of totally destroying it -- even more so.
If you have some time apart from your pulpit pounding - would you be interested in explaining to us how your opposition to the Bible teaching of "sola scriptura" testing -- survives that detail in Acts 17:11?
Or do you continue to content yourself with that point totally destroying your position?
There is no reference in all of the NT to someone not being able to read because the Bible was not accessible. And we all know it. Even the Greeks were reading and they did not rely on the Bible at all.
Details matter.
