Books Outside the Bible

[Rollo Tamasi]

Have you sought help yet?

I thought you were my help.

 

[BobRyan]

Yea, tell us all about how the Albigensians were true believers and that righteous war they started.

Out of curiosity - when you hear about a crime - do you go to the murderer to get his view of the victim? I assume he is a compromised witness. So then you are not about to do that in the example above are you??

Why is the the Lateran's sentencing, according to your interpretation, recorded, but no names and no executions are recorded anywhere???
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It is your own Pope that said the records show that they killed over 25 million. And it is he who claims that this amount is low as the larger portion of the accounts are missing.

Lateran IV is not my document - it is yours.
Your Pope is not my pope -- he is yours.

Why blame me for your own Catholic statements?

You don't make Catholic statements.

True I don't "make them" ... I simply "quote them"

 

[BreadOfLife]

It is your own Pope that said the records show that they killed over 25 million. And it is he who claims that this amount is low as the larger portion of the accounts are missing.
Lateran IV is not my document - it is yours.
Your Pope is not my pope -- he is yours.
Why blame me for your own Catholic statements?
True I don't "make them" ... I simply "quote them"

Ummmm, back in post #997, I asked you to provide me with the actual QUOTES about "25 million" killed. After all - YOU keep claiming that it is our "own Pope" that made this claim.
So far you have FAILED miserably to provide ANY historical evidence whatsoever.

Gee - I wonder WHY that is.
It couldn't be that you're simply LYING again - could it??

You can RUN - but you can't hide, Bobby . . .

 

[epostle]

[QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 464963, member: 7908"
True I don't "make them" ... I simply "quote them"[/QUOTE]
You take snippets out of context, you make up outrageous remarks (25 million), you haven't the slightest clue who the Albigensians were and you completely misrepresent the Lateran council by changing the meaning of a word. You also don't answer any of my questions. All you have done so far is paste from sites that specialize in deceiving the uneducated.
The primary function of your cult is to bash Catholicism. It also bashes Protestantism but not as heavily. The Nazi/SDA Connection post cannot be refuted because it's written by an SDA historian. The SDA seem to be doing a great job exposing themselves.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You take snippets out of context, you make up outrageous remarks (25 million), you haven't the slightest clue who the Albigensians were and you completely misrepresent the Lateran council by changing the meaning of a word. You also don't answer any of my questions. All you have done so far is paste from sites that specialize in deceiving the uneducated.
The primary function of your cult is to bash Catholicism. It also bashes Protestantism but not as heavily. The Nazi/SDA Connection post cannot be refuted because it's written by an SDA historian. The SDA seem to be doing a great job exposing themselves.

He's been pasting the same drivel post after post - ignoring the fact that he's been repeatedly refuted.
Methinks he's just another forum troll . . .

 

[Enoch111]

The Nazi/SDA Connection post cannot be refuted because it's written by an SDA historian.

However, is it not true that the Catholic Church was cooperating with the Nazis very comfortably while they were running roughshod over Europe?

"After Hitler came to power early in the year 1933 the church dropped its opposition to the Nazi party. Catholics were told that they were free to cooperate with the new government and even to join the party. Many Catholics did although they remained under-represented in organizations like the SS and SA. The critical mistake of the church was its failure to hold fast to the principle that Nazi racism was immoral. The reason behind the church’s unfortunate about-face concerned the Concordat, the 1933 agreement that defined relations between the German government and the Church."

https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/education/courses/life_lessons/pdfs/lesson8_4.pdf

 

[BreadOfLife]

However, is it not true that the Catholic Church was cooperating with the Nazis very comfortably while they were running roughshod over Europe?

"After Hitler came to power early in the year 1933 the church dropped its opposition to the Nazi party. Catholics were told that they were free to cooperate with the new government and even to join the party. Many Catholics did although they remained under-represented in organizations like the SS and SA. The critical mistake of the church was its failure to hold fast to the principle that Nazi racism was immoral. The reason behind the church’s unfortunate about-face concerned the Concordat, the 1933 agreement that defined relations between the German government and the Church."

https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/education/courses/life_lessons/pdfs/lesson8_4.pdf

If you wanna to go here - let me forewarn you:
You are OUT-GUNNED by the facts history and you will be entering a debate that which you will unequivocally LOSE.

MOST of the fairy tales and lies you've been taught about the Catholic Church and the Nazis stem from the 1963 anti-Catholic play, "The Deputy" - and NOT from annals of history. I'm giving you fair warning in advance.

STILL wanna debate this issue?

 

[epostle]

However, is it not true that the Catholic Church was cooperating with the Nazis very comfortably while they were running roughshod over Europe?

"After Hitler came to power early in the year 1933 the church dropped its opposition to the Nazi party. Catholics were told that they were free to cooperate with the new government and even to join the party. Many Catholics did although they remained under-represented in organizations like the SS and SA. The critical mistake of the church was its failure to hold fast to the principle that Nazi racism was immoral. The reason behind the church’s unfortunate about-face concerned the Concordat, the 1933 agreement that defined relations between the German government and the Church."

https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/education/courses/life_lessons/pdfs/lesson8_4.pdf

This is a feeble attempt to cover up the SDA exemption from Nazi persecution. There were NO SDA holocaust victims listed in the Holocaust Archives, but 3 million Catholics are.
The SDA went untouched by the Nazi's because their doctrines were compatible with Nazi propaganda, and remain so to this day. Details are in a previous post.

Pope Pius XI signed a concord with Germany to secure the rights of Christians in the country, because the Vatican recognized what a threat Hitler and his henchmen were to religious liberty. This was not an endorsement of the Nazi Party or its philosophy (it may be remembered that America also had treaties with Germany before the war broke out, (a fact the hate cults ignore).

When Hitler went back on the deal and began abrogating the civil rights of Christians, the Vatican responded by issuing the only encyclical ever written in German (Mit Brennender Sorge or "With Burning Anxiety"), concerning the horrors of the National Socialist German state. This encyclical was smuggled into Germany (it would never have been allowed in, had the Nazis known it was coming) and read at all the parishes on the same day.

The Encyclopedia of Catholic History (by Matthew Bunson) notes: "the encyclical was a strong denunciation of Nazism, noting that the Nazis had broken several points of the concordat and were actively involved in anti-Catholic and anti-Christian programs, such as the removal of the OT [Old Testament] from schools and the promotion of the so-called German National Church. The encyclical was read from the pulpit of every German church on March 21, 1937" (p. 563).​

IQB: Pius XI and the Nazis

Hitler's Plot to Kill the Pope

More Proof of Hitler’s Plan to Kill Pius XII
Son of German Intelligence Officer Comes Forward

Saint Maximilian Kolbe was a Polish Conventual Franciscan Friar who was sent to Auschwitz for hiding Jews during the Second World War. When the Nazi guards selected 10 people to be starved to death in punishment, (for an escape attempt) Kolbe volunteered to die in place of a stranger (who had a family). He was later canonized as a martyr.
St. Maximilian Kolbe - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

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Enoch, your link contains a pack of lies.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

If you wanna to go here - let me forewarn you:
You are OUT-GUNNED by the facts history and you will be entering a debate that which you will unequivocally LOSE.

MOST of the fairy tales and lies you've been taught about the Catholic Church and the Nazis stem from the 1963 anti-Catholic play, "The Deputy" - and NOT from annals of history. I'm giving you fair warning in advance.

STILL wanna debate this issue?

Y'all are still at it, eh?

So, Protestant historians are relying on a PLAY to get their info? WWII wasn't THAT long ago. I think maybe there are more reliable sources available than a play. So, your bravado here, BoL, sounds a tad ridiculous.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Y'all are still at it, eh?
So, Protestant historians are relying on a PLAY to get their info? WWII wasn't THAT long ago. I think maybe there are more reliable sources available than a play. So, your bravado here, BoL, sounds a tad ridiculous.

No - it's simply that the evidence - the REAL truth behind all of this is overwhelming.
The play DID create a lot of what you've been spoon-fed regarding the Church and the Nazis . . .

 

[epostle]

 

[BobRyan]

Yea, tell us all about how the Albigensians were true believers and that righteous war they started.

Out of curiosity - when you hear about a crime - do you go to the murderer to get his view of the victim? I assume he is a compromised witness. So then you are not about to do that in the example above are you??

Why is the the Lateran's sentencing, according to your interpretation, recorded, but no names and no executions are recorded anywhere???
.

It is your own Pope that said the records show that they killed over 25 million. And it is he who claims that this amount is low as the larger portion of the accounts are missing.

Lateran IV is not my document - it is yours.
Your Pope is not my pope -- he is yours.

Why blame me for your own Catholic statements?

You don't make Catholic statements.

True I don't "make them" ... I simply "quote them"

Ummmm, back in post #997, I asked you to provide me with the actual QUOTES about "25 million" killed. After all - YOU keep claiming that it is our "own Pope" that made this claim.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45674
Which church is the best? - WND

Posted:August9,2005
1:00a.mEastern

©2005WorldNetDaily.com

"I’m also encouraged by Benedict XVI, who seems to have inherited John Paul II’s humility as well as his loyalty to foundational doctrines. On Jan. 22, 1998, when he was still a cardinal and the grand Inquisitor (yes!) of the Roman Catholic Church, he declared that their archives (4,500 large volumes) indicate a death toll of 25 million killed by the Catholic Church for being “heretics.” And likely two-thirds of the original volumes are lost. That kind of honesty will help relations ."

 

[BobRyan]

This is a feeble attempt to cover up the SDA exemption from Nazi persecution.

reaches for more 'straws'.

No antisemitism in the SDA denominational teaching.

Unlike the "exterminate heretics and Jews" kinds of statements found in Lateran IV.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Out of curiosity - when you hear about a crime - do you go to the murderer to get his view of the victim? I assume he is a compromised witness. So then you are not about to do that in the example above are you??

It is your own Pope that said the records show that they killed over 25 million. And it is he who claims that this amount is low as the larger portion of the accounts are missing.

Lateran IV is not my document - it is yours.
Your Pope is not my pope -- he is yours.
Why blame me for your own Catholic statements?

True I don't "make them" ... I simply "quote them"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45674
Which church is the best? - WND
Posted:August9,2005
1:00a.mEastern
©2005WorldNetDaily.com

"I’m also encouraged by Benedict XVI, who seems to have inherited John Paul II’s humility as well as his loyalty to foundational doctrines. On Jan. 22, 1998, when he was still a cardinal and the grand Inquisitor (yes!) of the Roman Catholic Church, he declared that their archives (4,500 large volumes) indicate a death toll of 25 million killed by the Catholic Church for being “heretics.” And likely two-thirds of the original volumes are lost. That kind of honesty will help relations ."

THIS is the “evidence” you’ve been holding back on??
NO WONDER you were so secretive about it. This is not only NOT evidence – it’s an embarrassment on YOUR part.

This is NOT a primary source. This is NOT a quote from either Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI.
This is an afterthought from a person who CLAIMS that they heard the Pope state these figures. This is a pathetic excuse for evidence – even for YOU.

A documented quote is something that can hold up in court.
This couldn’t even pass for bad gossip, junior . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

THIS is the “evidence” you’ve been holding back on??
NO WONDER you were so secretive about it. This is not only NOT evidence – it’s an embarrassment on YOUR part.

This is NOT a primary source. This is NOT a quote from either Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI.
This is an afterthought from a person who CLAIMS that they heard the Pope state these figures. This is a pathetic excuse for evidence – even for YOU.

A documented quote is something that can hold up in court.
This couldn’t even pass for bad gossip, junior . . .

The Knights of Columbus, yes, these Jesuits, responsible for probably the death of 2/3 of the world since 325 AD

 

[GodsGrace]

Have you read the Book of Alice?

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You and breadman are like a comedy team.....

 

[amadeus]

Einstein not withstanding, the Jehovah Witnesses stood their ground on a per capita basis stronger than any other group of believers including Catholics. Of course few people pay attention to this as they call them a cult. But how many of those who so labelled the JWs while that regime was in power also died or went to prison rather than submit and change?

• from Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia
  
  Jehovah's Witnesses suffered religious persecution in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1945 after refusing to perform military service, join Nazi organizations or give allegiance to the Hitler regime. An estimated 10,000 Witnesses—half of the number of members in Germany during that period—were imprisoned, including 2000 who were sent to Nazi concentration camps. An estimated 1200 died in custody, including 250 who were executed. They were the first Christian denomination banned by the Nazi government and the most extensively and intensively persecuted.[1]
  
  
  

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Knights of Columbus, yes, these Jesuits, responsible for probably the death of 2/3 of the world since 325 AD

The Knights of Columbus is a men’s fraternal service organization that was founded in 1882 in New Haven, CT by Fr. John McGivney.

It was formed LARGELY due to the fact that anti-Catholic, Protestant-owned insurance companies would NOT insure Catholics, leaving Catholic widows penniless upon the deaths of their working-class husbands. Fr. McGivney rallied the men in his parish to come to their aid – and THAT’S what the K of C is about.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Society of Jesus (Jesuits), which is a PRIESTLY order, Einstein . . .

 

[Marymog]

The Knights of Columbus, yes, these Jesuits, responsible for probably the death of 2/3 of the world since 325 AD

Hi Rollo. Are you being serious???

Do you even know who or what the Knights of Columbus are??? How/when/why they got started???

Knights of Columbus Home

You are WAY off base on this one kiddo!!!

Mary

 

[Prayer Warrior]

You and breadman are like a comedy team.....

Agreed! I've had many a good laugh, esp. when Rollo calls BoL Breadman.

You changed your hair color. I almost didn't recognize you. LOL