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I would stop trying to determine what you think things mean, and just read what the word says

John 3: 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

The serpent represented when Jesus would be lifted up.
Dear Eternally Grateful,
No, the serpent represented Satan and his crooked way of "works" (the Old Covenant). Christ was lifted up in its place to represent His perfect sacrifice and the New Covenant. Show me one verse of scripture that shows that Christ was ever symbolized by a serpent.
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Dear Eternally Grateful,
No, the serpent represented Satan and his crooked way of "works" (the Old Covenant). Christ was lifted up in its place to represent His perfect sacrifice and the New Covenant. Show me one verse of scripture that shows that Christ was ever symbolized by a serpent.
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No

the serpent represented Christ being hung on a cross..

I am not sure where you get your teachings from. But you need to find someone else to learn from.
 
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its still a rapture

and only the church is raptured. The lost are not caught up to be with the lord.. They will be delivered to the lord for juidgment
The term rapture is extrabiblical and is usually mixed into the false teachings about end-time prophecy. Since scripture calls it the resurrection of the dead, why would you want to call it something else?
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Reader,

You can only "sin" if you are "under the Law" as its the Law that defines the deed as a "sin".

So, "where there is no Law, there is no sin (transgression).".

Which means that for the born again...who are "not under the Law, but under Grace"... the born again will never again be defined by the Law as a "sinner".

See,

"Christ is the END of the LAW....for righteousness, to everyone who believes",.. .and that means that all who did, are born again, as "the righteousness of God, in Christ" and there is no sin found there.

Notice : "The law came by Moses... but GRACE and Truth came by Jesus The Christ".

READER.....
Im not showing you that you can't lie, cheat, steal, ..........anymore.
What im showing you is....

= " Where there is NO LAW, there is no Transgression"....and that means, when the Law is removed....= when it has no dominion over you, then it can't define your deeds, at all.....EVER AGAIN.

"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of the Law"..

What is that Curse?

Its that the Law DEFINES you as a sinner... and Christ's Sacrifice on the Cross has removed the Law's dominion from the born again, so that the Law can no longer define the born again, at all..

The born again are ::: """ NOT under the law.....but under Grace"...

Grace always defines the born again as "made righteous".... "in Christ"....."One with God".

This is a part of the Eternal FRUIT regarding the : "Gift of Salvation"
So what-are we now "lawless?" Hinei!
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No

the serpent represented Christ being hung on a cross..

I am not sure where you get your teachings from. But you need to find someone else to learn from.
Dear Eternally Grateful,
Paul said to understand the meanings of the "spirit" words of Christ, you must "compare spiritual things with spiritual".

1Cor 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

To understand the meaning of the spirit word "serpent", you must compare how it is used elsewhere in scripture. Here is how it is used elsewhere in scripture and it represents Satan, not Christ:

Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Rev 12:2 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,


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The term rapture is extrabiblical and is usually mixed into the false teachings about end-time prophecy. Since scripture calls it the resurrection of the dead, why would you want to call it something else?
Joe
The term rapture comes from a Latin word Raptura. Which means caught up.

Paul said we who are alive will be CAUGHT UP….

Stop saying it is not in te bible. Your wrong.
 
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Dear Eternally Grateful,
Paul said to understand the meanings of the "spirit" words of Christ, you must "compare spiritual things with spiritual".

1Cor 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

To understand the meaning of the spirit word "serpent", you must compare how it is used elsewhere in scripture. Here is how it is used elsewhere in scripture and it represents Satan, not Christ:

Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Rev 12:2 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,


Joe
Lol

All we need to do is read the words of Christ.

Christ himself said as Moses lifted the serpent. So to much he be lifted up. that whoever believes will nto die. Just like those who looked at the serpent that was lifted up did not die.

Your trying to read way to much into things, Just take what jesus said as gospel truth..
 
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The term rapture comes from a Latin word Raptura. Which means caught up.

Paul said we who are alive will be CAUGHT UP….

Stop saying it is not in te bible. Your wrong.
Dear Eternally Grateful,
Scripture is not written in Latin plus Paul calls the event the "resurrection of the dead". He never calls the event the "rapture".

1Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

The term "rapture" is commonly taught to happen either before or during the so called seven years of great tribulation that end this present age. This is a false teaching and has no truth in it (all the various versions of it).

The great tribulation actually occurs when a believer falls away under Satan's deceptions. This time of great tribulation has been happening in the lives of all called out believers since the end of the 1st century and is in no way related to the resurrection of the dead.


When you use the term "rapture", you are connecting it to the apostate church's false teachings of end-time prophecy. That is why you should not use the term "rapture".

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Lol

All we need to do is read the words of Christ.

Christ himself said as Moses lifted the serpent. So to much he be lifted up. that whoever believes will nto die. Just like those who looked at the serpent that was lifted up did not die.

Your trying to read way to much into things, Just take what jesus said as gospel truth..
Dear Eternally Grateful,
Moses was the Law Giver who brought in the Old Covenant. That is why Moses lifted up the serpent.

Christ lifted himself up and brought in the New Covenant. He replaced the bronze serpent and was never represented by it.

You have zero scriptural support for your understanding - you have simply chosen to believe what others have falsely taught you.

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Dear Eternally Grateful,
Scripture is not written in Latin plus Paul calls the event the "resurrection of the dead". He never calls the event the "rapture".
It was not written in english either it was written in Greek Hebrew and some chaldean.

The english is a translation. Just like the latin translationl. in which the word caught up is raptura. from where the term rapture comes from.


1Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

The term "rapture" is commonly taught to happen either before or during the so called seven years of great tribulation that end this present age. This is a false teaching and has no truth in it (all the various versions of it).

The great tribulation actually occurs when a believer falls away under Satan's deceptions. This time of great tribulation has been happening in the lives of all called out believers since the end of the 1st century and is in no way related to the resurrection of the dead.


When you use the term "rapture", you are connecting it to the apostate church's false teachings of end-time prophecy. That is why you should not use the term "rapture".

Joe
No matter what people believe or when it will happen.

the people who are alive will be caught up (raptured) and they will be with the lord forever.

I am not going to get into a rapture debate.. it is meaningless..
 
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Dear Eternally Grateful,
Moses was the Law Giver who brought in the Old Covenant. That is why Moses lifted up the serpent.

Christ lifted himself up and brought in the New Covenant. He replaced the bronze serpent and was never represented by it.

You have zero scriptural support for your understanding - you have simply chosen to believe what others have falsely taught you.

Joe
smh. You need to read trhe word my friend. Moses lifted the serpent Because God told him to do it.

And jesus said, Like moses lifted that serpent. so to he must be lifted..

Numbers 21:
6 So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.


7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you; pray to the Lord that He take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.


8 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.
 
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smh. You need to read trhe word my friend. Moses lifted the serpent Because God told him to do it.

And jesus said, Like moses lifted that serpent. so to he must be lifted..

Numbers 21:
6 So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.


7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you; pray to the Lord that He take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.


8 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.
Dear Eternally Grateful,
No where in scripture is Christ ever symbolized by a serpent. You have no foundation for your understanding.
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Dear Eternally Grateful,
No where in scripture is Christ ever symbolized by a serpent. You have no foundation for your understanding.
Joe
unless you can explain the meaning of the serpent Moses lifted on the pole. that saved the people who looked at it. and how that is satan.

You have no foundation
 
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Dear Eternally Grateful,
Scripture is not written in Latin plus Paul calls the event the "resurrection of the dead". He never calls the event the "rapture".

1Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

The term "rapture" is commonly taught to happen either before or during the so called seven years of great tribulation that end this present age. This is a false teaching and has no truth in it (all the various versions of it).

The great tribulation actually occurs when a believer falls away under Satan's deceptions. This time of great tribulation has been happening in the lives of all called out believers since the end of the 1st century and is in no way related to the resurrection of the dead.


When you use the term "rapture", you are connecting it to the apostate church's false teachings of end-time prophecy. That is why you should not use the term "rapture".

Joe
Actually the term "rapture" (harpazo) signifies being translated into the higher walk right now...by the Spirit. Do a bible study.

Men are pressing into the kingdom and the diligent take it by "rapture." (their sacrifice of themselves being accepted by God and they being permitted entry INTO Christ to walk in His resurrection power. )

Of course very few will experience this. Many are called, few are chosen.
 
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unless you can explain the meaning of the serpent Moses lifted on the pole. that saved the people who looked at it. and how that is satan.

You have no foundation
Dear Eternally Grateful,
I have explained it with scripture.

Here it is again with even more scriptural support:

Here is the foundational scripture:

Num 21:4 Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. 5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” 6 So the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died. 7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD and against you; pray to the LORD that He take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people. 8 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

The story above is a “type” which teaches its message through spiritual symbols (spirit words, John 6:63).

The primary concept used in the story is “first comes the natural, then comes the spiritual” (1Cor 15:46).

The setting of the story is Israel’s 40 years of wandering in the wilderness.

During Israel’s time of wandering, the nation was lacking spiritual food and water (v.5) which would have spiritually satisfied them. Instead, the Lord provided the nation with natural food and water which left them hungering for truth and thirsting for righteousness.

Neh 9:15 And gave them bread from heaven (manna) for their hunger, and brought forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promised them that they should go in to possess the land (salvation) which thou had sworn to give them.

Manna is a spiritual symbol for the truth of God’s Word when it is received carnally. It represents the "natural". It will provide nourishment to the carnal man (Old Man). The true bread from heaven (the "spiritual") is Christ and He is a symbol for the truth of God’s Word when it is received spiritually. It will provide nourishment to the spiritual man (New Man).

John 6:32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 “For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

Water is a spiritual symbol for the Holy Spirit. When the Spirit guides a person externally, the person will remain carnal. This was the case with the Nation of Israel.

With the church, when an earnest amount of the Spirit (Early Rain) indwells a person, the person will also remain carnal (the "natural"). When the person is baptized by the Holy Spirit (Latter Rain), the person will become spiritual and will then be guided by the Holy Spirit.

In verses 4 and 5 of Numbers chapter 21, it says that the people of Israel had lost faith in the Lord. As a result of their loss of faith, the Lord sent “fiery serpents” into the camp. When a serpent bit a person, it would cause them to physically die.

This portion of the story is a “type” for the judgment (represented by symbol “fiery”) that a called out believer in the church receives for their loss of faith when they turn to their own works for salvation. The fiery serpents are a type for the spirit of anti-Christ which comes from Satan and devours the faithless church. When Satan’s spirit enters a believer, it will cause them to spiritually die and lose their salvation. This is the Abomination of Desolation mentioned by Christ in Mat 24:15. And like the Nation of Israel, this death results from a person’s loss of faith.

When the Israelites realized that the serpents came into the camp as a result of their loss of faith, they repented and asked for mercy. In response, the Lord told Moses to set up a pole with a bronze serpent upon it. This event represents the temporary spiritual life which the Nation of Israel would receive from the blood sacrifice of animals established under the Old Covenant of Law.

The temporary life received from the Old Covenant of Law was based upon the works of man and did not require any faith to receive it.

Scripture calls the way of approaching God by a person’s own works the “crooked way”.

Lam 3:9 He has blocked my ways with hewn stone (man’s works); He has made my paths crooked.

Isa 59:8 The way of peace they have not known, And there is no justice in their ways; They have made themselves crooked paths; Whoever takes that way shall not know peace.


Mankind calls this way “religion”.
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Note: Approaching God by faith alone is called the “straight way” (Psa 5:8, Mat 3:3 & Acts 13:10). ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Since the crooked way is also the way of Satan, Satan is called the “crooked serpent”:

Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.


Because Satan is the crooked serpent, the Lord instructed Moses to setup a bronze serpent upon a pole. Then, when anyone was bitten, all they needed to do was to look up at the bronze serpent and they would live. This is symbolic of the temporary spiritual life which the blood sacrifice of animals would provide the Nation of Israel under the Old Covenant of Law.
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Note: The Old Covenant of Law is based on the works of man. The New Covenant is based upon the works of Christ. Faith is what makes the pathway straight for Christ to come to a believer and convert them. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

The bronze serpent is a precursor of Christ’s death on the cross. In other words, the Old Covenant of Law is our schoolmaster to lead us to Christ and the New Covenant.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Christ made this statement about it:

John 3:12 “If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 “No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 “that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

To further show that the bronze serpent was only a precursor which was to lead us to Christ, we have this supporting scripture:

2Kings 18:1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea the son of Elah, king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz, king of Judah, began to reign. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned twenty-nine years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Abi the daughter of Zechariah. 3 And he did what was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his ancestor David had done (approaching God by faith). 4 He removed the high places and broke the sacred pillars, cut down the wooden image and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made; for until those days the children of Israel burned incense to it, and called it Nehushtan. 5 He trusted in the LORD God of Israel, so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor who were before him.

Hezekiah was a man of faith just as David was. It is by faith that a person will move from the Old Covenant of Law (man’s works) to the New Covenant of Grace through Faith (Christ’s works). When a believer makes this transition, they will break into pieces the bronze serpent and replace it with Christ.

The Old Covenant is the "natural" and it is man's attempt to make themselves righteous by their own "works". However, it cannot change man from within. It only works "outwardly" to make man appear to be righteous. This is the crooked way of Satan.

In contrast, the New Covenant is the "spiritual" and is based upon the works of Christ. Christ's spiritual work "within" mankind will make mankind truly righteous. This is the straight way of Christ.

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Actually the term "rapture" (harpazo) signifies being translated into the higher walk right now...by the Spirit. Do a bible study.

Men are pressing into the kingdom and the diligent take it by "rapture." (their sacrifice of themselves being accepted by God and they being permitted entry INTO Christ to walk in His resurrection power. )

Of course very few will experience this. Many are called, few are chosen.
Dear Episkopos,
Yes, the "many" in the church who remain apostate until their physical deaths will not experience being spiritually "caught up" (the "higher walk").

Here is where an Elect believer experiences being spiritually caught up:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This scripture (as is all of Matthew 24) is teaching on the conversion of the Elect (the "few"). When Christ "comes again" to an Elect believer, He will pour out the Latter Rain (Baptism of the Holy Spirit) upon them. This will give the believer a new birth. Christ will then immediately gather the new child of God to Himself in heaven.

The term "heaven" is a symbol and not a literal location. It represents the spiritual state of being of God. The "earth" is also a symbol and is not a location. The "earth" represents mankind's carnal and sinful spiritual state of being.

When an Elect believer is converted, they will rise from the "earth" to dwell in "heaven". This is a spiritual event and is not teaching about the resurrection of the dead.

Thanks for your comments.

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Dear Eternally Grateful,
I have explained it with scripture.

Here it is again with even more scriptural support:

Here is the foundational scripture:

Num 21:4 Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. 5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” 6 So the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died. 7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD and against you; pray to the LORD that He take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people. 8 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

The story above is a “type” which teaches its message through spiritual symbols (spirit words, John 6:63).

The primary concept used in the story is “first comes the natural, then comes the spiritual” (1Cor 15:46).

The setting of the story is Israel’s 40 years of wandering in the wilderness.

During Israel’s time of wandering, the nation was lacking spiritual food and water (v.5) which would have spiritually satisfied them. Instead, the Lord provided the nation with natural food and water which left them hungering for truth and thirsting for righteousness.

Neh 9:15 And gave them bread from heaven (manna) for their hunger, and brought forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promised them that they should go in to possess the land (salvation) which thou had sworn to give them.

Manna is a spiritual symbol for the truth of God’s Word when it is received carnally. It represents the "natural". It will provide nourishment to the carnal man (Old Man). The true bread from heaven (the "spiritual") is Christ and He is a symbol for the truth of God’s Word when it is received spiritually. It will provide nourishment to the spiritual man (New Man).

John 6:32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 “For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

Water is a spiritual symbol for the Holy Spirit. When the Spirit guides a person externally, the person will remain carnal. This was the case with the Nation of Israel.

With the church, when an earnest amount of the Spirit (Early Rain) indwells a person, the person will also remain carnal (the "natural"). When the person is baptized by the Holy Spirit (Latter Rain), the person will become spiritual and will then be guided by the Holy Spirit.

In verses 4 and 5 of Numbers chapter 21, it says that the people of Israel had lost faith in the Lord. As a result of their loss of faith, the Lord sent “fiery serpents” into the camp. When a serpent bit a person, it would cause them to physically die.

This portion of the story is a “type” for the judgment (represented by symbol “fiery”) that a called out believer in the church receives for their loss of faith when they turn to their own works for salvation. The fiery serpents are a type for the spirit of anti-Christ which comes from Satan and devours the faithless church. When Satan’s spirit enters a believer, it will cause them to spiritually die and lose their salvation. This is the Abomination of Desolation mentioned by Christ in Mat 24:15. And like the Nation of Israel, this death results from a person’s loss of faith.

When the Israelites realized that the serpents came into the camp as a result of their loss of faith, they repented and asked for mercy. In response, the Lord told Moses to set up a pole with a bronze serpent upon it. This event represents the temporary spiritual life which the Nation of Israel would receive from the blood sacrifice of animals established under the Old Covenant of Law.

The temporary life received from the Old Covenant of Law was based upon the works of man and did not require any faith to receive it.

Scripture calls the way of approaching God by a person’s own works the “crooked way”.

Lam 3:9 He has blocked my ways with hewn stone (man’s works); He has made my paths crooked.

Isa 59:8 The way of peace they have not known, And there is no justice in their ways; They have made themselves crooked paths; Whoever takes that way shall not know peace.


Mankind calls this way “religion”.
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Note: Approaching God by faith alone is called the “straight way” (Psa 5:8, Mat 3:3 & Acts 13:10). ______________________________________________________________________________

Since the crooked way is also the way of Satan, Satan is called the “crooked serpent”:

Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.


Because Satan is the crooked serpent, the Lord instructed Moses to setup a bronze serpent upon a pole. Then, when anyone was bitten, all they needed to do was to look up at the bronze serpent and they would live. This is symbolic of the temporary spiritual life which the blood sacrifice of animals would provide the Nation of Israel under the Old Covenant of Law.
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Note: The Old Covenant of Law is based on the works of man. The New Covenant is based upon the works of Christ. Faith is what makes the pathway straight for Christ to come to a believer and convert them. ______________________________________________________________________________

The bronze serpent is a precursor of Christ’s death on the cross. In other words, the Old Covenant of Law is our schoolmaster to lead us to Christ and the New Covenant.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Christ made this statement about it:

John 3:12 “If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 “No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 “that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

To further show that the bronze serpent was only a precursor which was to lead us to Christ, we have this supporting scripture:

2Kings 18:1 Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea the son of Elah, king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz, king of Judah, began to reign. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned twenty-nine years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Abi the daughter of Zechariah. 3 And he did what was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his ancestor David had done (approaching God by faith). 4 He removed the high places and broke the sacred pillars, cut down the wooden image and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made; for until those days the children of Israel burned incense to it, and called it Nehushtan. 5 He trusted in the LORD God of Israel, so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor who were before him.

Hezekiah was a man of faith just as David was. It is by faith that a person will move from the Old Covenant of Law (man’s works) to the New Covenant of Grace through Faith (Christ’s works). When a believer makes this transition, they will break into pieces the bronze serpent and replace it with Christ.

The Old Covenant is the "natural" and it is man's attempt to make themselves righteous by their own "works". However, it cannot change man from within. It only works "outwardly" to make man appear to be righteous. This is the crooked way of Satan.

In contrast, the New Covenant is the "spiritual" and is based upon the works of Christ. Christ's spiritual work "within" mankind will make mankind truly righteous. This is the straight way of Christ.

Joe
wow,

where do you get this from? What church do you go to?

The people realised they had sinned. So they asked moses to pray

Moses prayed

God told moses to put the serpent on a pole and look up

Those who had faith and looked up lived

those who in unbelief did not died.

Thats where the serpent is a type of christ. as jesus said.. He must be hung on a pole in the same way, we all are dead. those who have faith and look up, we will live forever.

those in unbelief who do not look to the cross. Will die.
 

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wow,

where do you get this from? What church do you go to?

The people realised they had sinned. So they asked moses to pray

Moses prayed

God told moses to put the serpent on a pole and look up

Those who had faith and looked up lived

those who in unbelief did not died.

Thats where the serpent is a type of christ. as jesus said.. He must be hung on a pole in the same way, we all are dead. those who have faith and look up, we will live forever.

those in unbelief who do not look to the cross. Will die.
Dear Eternally Grateful,
I wrote most of my post a few days ago for another thread. It came from my own personal study of God's Word. I do not have any teachers nor do I attend any churches. As I have been saying, all the churches are apostate and have been since the deaths of the Apostles. The apostate churches follow another Jesus and have another spirit and teach another gospel.

You said:
That's where the serpent is a type of Christ.

You can't use the same scripture that uses a certain symbol and then say that it witnesses to itself. Paul says to understand the meanings of Christ's spirit words, we must "compare spiritual things with spiritual". Plus, for a thing to be proven true, there must be two or three witnesses which testify to it.

You have NO witnesses of scripture which testify that the symbol "serpent" is a symbol for Christ. You have not presented even one. I presented you three witnesses of scripture which testify to the symbol's true meaning and they all show that the symbol "serpent" represents Satan.

I gave you a detailed witness of scripture in my previous post as to the true meaning of the bronze serpent. If you won't accept those scriptures, then there is nothing more I can do.

Joe
 

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Dear Eternally Grateful,
I wrote most of my post a few days ago for another thread. It came from my own personal study of God's Word. I do not have any teachers nor do I attend any churches.
Well there is the problem.

it all makes sense now. And why what you’re saying makes no sense. Because you’re the only one who thinks this. It is YOUR view..
 

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Well there is the problem.

it all makes sense now. And why what you’re saying makes no sense. Because you’re the only one who thinks this. It is YOUR view..
Dear Eternally Grateful,
Being in the group of "many" is not the place to be. Only a "few" of the many are chosen for salvation in this age.
Joe