Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

[Spiritual Israelite]

I haven`t seen any proof that the Body of Christ is female, a bride, when we are told we are the New Man, told to put on the New Man and come to the perfect Man. The New Man being of both male and female characteristics.

Why are you taking "the new man" description literally, as if that label has anything to do with anything physical? It doesn't. The new man is simply another way of referring to the church. We are the new man. We're one body. We're the temple of God. We're the body of Christ. And, yes, we are the bride of Christ. There's no reason to take labels like "the new man" or "the bride of Christ" in a physical sense rather than in a spiritual sense.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Why would I or anyone for that matter listen to your vivid imagination since you cannot or will not answer my question? You, like some others in these forums more resemble internet trolls, then Christian you profess to be.

Defining an Internet Troll in Christian Forums​

In the context of Christian forums, an internet troll is someone who deliberately posts inflammatory, rude, or off‑topic comments in an online community — such as a Christian discussion board — with the intent of provoking emotional reactions, stirring up conflict, or steering conversations away from their own agenda.

..and here you are attacking me personally after I challenge you.
You did exactly what I thought.
None of the bible I posted was addressed.
Why you troll much???
In the context of Christian forums, an internet troll is someone who deliberately posts inflammatory, rude, or off‑topic comments in an online community — such as a Christian discussion board — with the intent of provoking emotional reactions, stirring up conflict, or steering conversations away from their own agenda.

Described yourself .
Perfect description.
Face palm.

You can not make this stuff up.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Are there any postribbrrs that can honestly debate????
One personal attack after another.

In over 40 years of debating postribs, I have yet to see one that can get a bible and challenge the verses I put on the table.

You guys are a miserable lot.
Why?????
Why are you guys so mad?????

....it ain't hard to figure.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The purpose of the `gathering together to be caught up,` is so that we are joined to the Lord and taken to His own throne in the highest. From there we will rule and reign with Him throughout the trib, and beyond, judging the world system and fallen angels.

Let's assume that when Jesus talked about one being taken and one left that the ones taken refer to those who will be taken up to meet Christ in the air when He comes from heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17). What does Jesus say happens to those who are left?

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.” 37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?” So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”

According to Jesus, those who are left will be killed just as those who were left outside the ark were killed in Noah's day and those who were left in Sodom were killed in Lot's day. They will become bird food, according to Jesus.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Good Afternoon

Directly calling pre-trib what it is and where it came from.

We all must abide in Christ and His every word to avoid the deceptions of the enemy = especially when he uses scripture


Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

The tempter came to Him and said, “If You are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
But Jesus answered, “It is written:

‘Man shall not live on bread alone,

but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

Then the devil took Him to the holy city and set Him on the pinnacle of the temple.
“If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He will command His angels concerning You,

and they will lift You up in their hands,

so that You will not strike Your foot

against a stone.’”

Jesus replied, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
“All this I will give You,” he said, “if You will fall down and worship me.”

“Away from Me, Satan!” Jesus told him. “For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”

Then the devil left Him, and angels came and ministered to Him.

....and when called out.
You do it again.
We are Satan and serpents to your sick mind

Sick
Very very sick.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

..and here you are attacking me personally after I challenge you.

You mean after you attacked him personally by falsely accusing him of not being willing to look at certain verses, which is a lie. We all look at all of the relevant verses, but we don't all interpret them the same.

You did exactly what I thought.
None of tge bible I posted was addressed.

I can't even recall how many passages I exegeted in responses to your posts in the past that you did not bother addressing, so stop being a hypocrite.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This literally sums up your end-time theology. It is all speculations and man-made theories.

That is why you avoid, run and name-call.

Exactly. Everything he says about others applies to himself moreso than anyone else. He has no self awareness.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Verses cast down by postribs.
Lovely indeed

...then he mocks the fact that he is offended by God's word.

Lovely indeed.
So Christian of him.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are there any postribbrrs that can honestly debate????
One personal attack after another.

In over 40 years of debating postribs, I have yet to see one that can get a bible and challenge the verses I put on the table.

Why do you lie? Several of us have refuted your false beliefs with scripture from the Bible. It's so ironic that you talk about others being dishonest when you are the most dishonest person on this entire forum.

You guys are a miserable lot.
Why?????
Why are you guys so mad?????

....it ain't hard to figure.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

...then he mocks the fact that he is offended by God's word.

Not sure who you're talking about here, but give us a quote where someone says they are offended by God's word.

Lovely indeed.
So Christian of him.

So Christian of you to lie about someone supposedly being offended by God's word.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Why would I or anyone for that matter listen to your vivid imagination since you cannot or will not answer my question? You, like some others in these forums more resemble internet trolls, then Christian you profess to be.

Defining an Internet Troll in Christian Forums​

In the context of Christian forums, an internet troll is someone who deliberately posts inflammatory, rude, or off‑topic comments in an online community — such as a Christian discussion board — with the intent of provoking emotional reactions, stirring up conflict, or steering conversations away from their own agenda.

Lol.
You see me going personal?
Yep, every time I do, it is PUSHBACK AGAINST THEIR WICKED Pesersonal MESS.

What babies.
So offended when their little feelings get hurt when they can not take what they serve out.

Get a bible.
Stop the juvenile mess and let's go.

Playing victim is nauseous.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Mocking spirit in here big time.
Fearful and embarrassed.

They are Literally unable to defend against my bible.

Sad

 

[rebuilder 454]

Calling out postribbers.
My bible against your workbook.

Are you really unable?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Lol.
You see me going personal?
Yep, every time I do, it is PUSHBACK AGAINST THEIR WICKED Pesersonal MESS.

So, you admit making things personal, but you give yourself an excuse for it. Somehow, it's only wrong if others get personal, but it's perfectly fine when you do it. LOL!

What babies.
So offended when their little feelings get hurt when they can not take what they serve out.

LOL! Says the baby whose little feelings get hurt constantly, as evidenced by all the whining you're doing in all of your most recent posts.

Get a bible.
Stop the juvenile mess and let's go.

That's what everyone is waiting for you to do. The next coherent argument you make using the Bible will be the first one you've made.

Playing victim is nauseous.

Says the guy playing victim. LOL!

 

[rebuilder 454]

Double post

 

[rebuilder 454]

Can you prove from the Bible that great tribulation Christ tells His disciples both they and we must endure is DUAL Prophecy? I don't see it as DUAL Prophecy, but as continual prophecy or prophecy that began to come to His first disciples that is also true for Christians in every single age as the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ is proclaimed.

Except for the omitted escape verses.

Oh well

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Calling out postribbers.
My bible against your workbook.

Are you really unable?

You keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.

Mark 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

The above, which Jesus said will occur "after that tribulation" and will involve the gathering of the elect from both heaven and earth, is the same event as this...

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

The souls of the dead in Christ will be gathered in heaven and will come with Jesus when He descends from heaven. They are the elect gathered from "the fathest part of heaven". Then, the dead in Christ will first be bodily resurrected and then they, together with those who are alive and remain until His coming, will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. And, according to Jesus, this will happen "AFTER that tribulation" (AFTER the tribulation of those days - Matthew 24:29-31).

So, this is my view that comes from the Bible. How about you address this? You falsely accuse others of not being willing to address the verses you bring up even though several of us have done so. How about you address what these verses indicate? I know you are reading my posts, so how about putting your money where your mouth is for once and address my argument instead of accusing us post-tribs of never addressing the scriptures?

 

[WPM]

Exactly. Everything he says about others applies to himself moreso than anyone else. He has no self awareness.

This is the pattern of those promoting error here. This is all they have. No one would take them serious in the real world.

 

[WPM]

Calling out postribbers.
My bible against your workbook.

Are you really unable?

I challenge you to a biblical debate on the coming of the Lord. Are you up for it?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Verses cast down by postribs.
Lovely indeed

And Dave nj laughs and mocks at his own bible verse rejection