Built on the wrong apostle

[HammerStone]

First of all there is no need to "Interpret" Acts 2. It says what it says. All Peter is trying to do is to get the Jews to accept Jesus as their Messiah; to believe that He is their Messiah and that they killed Him. There is no mention of salvation through the shed blood of Jesus that covers sins.

With all due respect, what exactly do you consider to be the whole message of Jesus!? Peter is proclaiming Jesus here and the message is a single unified message. He was attempting to get the Jewish population present to recognize their error, but at the same time he's preaching the Messiah from the Messiah's perspective and not from the Jewish perspective of the Messiah which was entirely in error.

Second, according to my Bible the people there in Jerusalem were mostly Jews and Gentile proselytes celebrating the Passover (visitors from Rome “”(both Jews and converts to Judaism)””. Gentile of other religions would not be there to celebrate the Jewish Passover.

Ironically, here, you admit your own error. Perhaps they were mostly, but mostly is not all even as you just admit. :)

In all seriousness, proselyte is the word render convert in the NIV. It literally means a stranger or alien in the sense of someone newly come to the faith.

As far as your last remark, I see you have something against teaching the scriptures from a dispensational viewpoint. Obviously you are in the crowd that takes all the scriptures and blends them together and comes up with a harmonized gospel that man has written to fit a theology that man thinks will save him.

Actually, most would consider me a dispensationalist. I try to avoid the jargon, but clearly there are appointed times for certain rules of God.

 

[RichardBurger]

Acts 5:27-32
27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest asked them,
28 saying,"Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man's blood on us!"
29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said:"We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree.
31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him."
NKJV
I fail to see where Peter and the 11 said anything about salvation through the shed blood of Jesus on the cross. What I do see is Peter telling the Pharisees that Jesus is their Messiah and King and that they had killed him. Note that Peter does not mention the word Gentile in verse 31. In the book of Acts Peter's focus is on getting Israel to accept Jesus as their Messiah and King.

 

[veteran]

How many times must I show this to you before you will understand.

Foreseeing-Beforehand-would justify

Galatians 3:6-8

6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed." NKJV

Note the words “foreseeing“, “would justify“, “beforehand“. They clearly indicate that faith was not instituted at that time. It was to be a future event.

Since you just can't read it as it is written then how do you read it? What do you make of the words "“foreseeing“, “would justify“, “beforehand?"

Your problem with the inability to 'see', is how God accounted righteousness FIRST to Abraham. It's even right there in the Scripture you quote!!!


Explain this...

Rom 4:2-9
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
(KJV)

 

[Groundzero]

If you insist that Peter and Paul were teaching the same message then that is your right. But I certainly can't see it in the scriptures.

By the way, why did you put this in your reply, what purpose did it serve? quote "Perhaps the fact that Paul wrote the majority of the NT has affected your thinking!"

Oh brother.

Alot! Have you considered that compared to Peter, Paul has written 12 more books than Peter? What would have happened if we swapped that around? No doubt you would be claiming that God revealed grace to Peter instead! Of course Paul talks most about grace, etc. He wrote half of the NT! The other half is compromised of the gospels, Acts, Revelation, and then six small epistles!

 

[RichardBurger]

Your problem with the inability to 'see', is how God accounted righteousness FIRST to Abraham. It's even right there in the Scripture you quote!!!


Explain this...

Rom 4:2-9
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
(KJV)

The same person that wrote Rom 4:2-9 also wrote; 1 Timothy 1:15-17
15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.
17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
NKJV

Verse 16: “that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.”

When Paul wrote your verses he was looking back at what happened. However Paul also wrote; Galatians 3:6-8
6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed." NKJV
Note the words “foreseeing“, “would justify“, “beforehand“. They clearly indicate that faith was not instituted at that time. It was to be a future event.

Please note that I didn't say you had any problems.

 

[RichardBurger]

Acts 10:9-16
9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour.
10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance
11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth.
12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.
13 And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean."
15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common."
16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.
NKJV

If Peter was teaching the same gospel of grace that was given to Paul why is it that Peter didn't know that everyone was now saved by the shed blood of Jesus on the cross?

It is obvious, to me, that Peter knew nothing about the grace gospel and therefore could not be preaching it.