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"But who do you say that I am?"

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Insight, Sep 19, 2011.

  1. Insight

    Insight New Member

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    Rom 8:29 - he is not ashamed to call us brethren. :rolleyes:

    Pegg,

    I will leave you to discuss these higher thoughts with Ducky. I do hope he will go over these posts later and mediate upon their meaning.

    In the Master's Service

    Insight

    Yes it was cited by Peter in Acts 2:21 & Paul in Rom 10:13...its a name we also can be called by ourselves Acts 22:16; James 2:7; Rev 14:1

    I will leave you with Psalm 138:2 in trying to teach Ducky all about the source and nature of the Spoken Word of Yahweh.

    God bless you in this endeavour.

    Insight
     
  2. Duckybill

    Duckybill New Member

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    Jesus is God. His Kingdom is eternal.

    Luke 1:31-33 (NKJV)
    31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end."
     
  3. brionne

    brionne Active Member

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    Thats ok ducky, you keep worshiping Jesus.

    I choose to be among the ones who Jesus said would worship his Father

    John4: 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him
     
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    Robbie New Member

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    When we worship Jesus we worship the Father...

    When we see Jesus we see the Father...

    When we love Jesus we love the Father...

    When we don't worship Jesus we don't worship the Father...

    When we don't see Jesus we don't see the Father...

    When we don't love Jesus we don't love the Father...

    Him and His Father are One...
     
  5. JohnDB

    JohnDB Well-Known Member

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    Since I love explaining this story...

    A gate was a stronghold of a city. It was built nothing like the gates to castles and castle complexes like we see in the movies. It often was a labyrinth with many turns where there were parapets along the whole labyrinth before you got to the door as well so that a marauding army would attack anywhere but a gate.

    Jesus was a bit of a different Schmeeka Rabbi (highest order of rabbi) than the other ones. He would often take trips (vacations) into Roman/Greek cities. Especially when a king would notice him (such as Herod did).

    At the end of Jesus' ministry he took the Apostles to a city called Caesarea Philippi. This city was at the base of Mount Herman where one of the three springs that fed the Jordan River before it flowed into the Sea of Galilee.

    This spring used to gush forth with such force that it was believed (by the Greeks) that the River Styx itself fed it. As a customary practice of placing a temple or idol at every water source the Romans built a temple to one of their gods here.

    In the Roman world there were two main types of gods as described in our bibles. One was to Baal and the other to Ashera. Gods of Baal were ones of conflict resolution with favor resting on the one who made the more favorable sacrifice. (Blood sports) It wasn't simulated violence it was the real thing...It was believed that successful sacrifice to one of these would allow you to win your case in court, that pesky neighbor would lose and have to move or some other such thing.

    There there were the Ashera gods...these were fertility gods. They would grant you children, good crops and wealth. This sort of god was appeased through sexual activity of some kind.

    At Caesarea Phillipi there was a temple to the fertility god Pan. He was a half goat and half man creation. Customarily they would bring out the goats and get them to start mating and then the dancing girls would come out and dance suggestively....then it was audience participation time. And it was known to be the world's largest outdoor orgy.

    For Jesus to bring the disciples there it would be rather disconcerting. These guys were just men...not raised in the Temple or as Levites...they probably had cracked jokes about the place in the past with other guys. Now....at the end of three years of following a Rabbi it was shameful and hideous to look upon all those naked bodies going at it. Contempt for such sin would be an understatement.

    This is the exact place (on a nearby hillside with the "party" going on as a backdrop) where Jesus begins a lesson for the 12.

    Who do people say that I am?

    Peter answered with the names of three former prophets who were known for their outrageous zeal for God....otherwise known as passionate men.

    All of these guys had one message about God and they were bent on delivering that message no matter what the personal cost in friendships or their lives.

    (Jesus obviously mirrored these guys in passion...or maybe these prophets merely mirrored Jesus. )

    Who do you say that I am?

    Peter says what we expect him to say...that Jesus is the Messiah who is God himself...Emmanuel/God with us.

    But not only that...all of Jesus' attributes as well...that God is so very good and kind....even to some of who we think is the least godly among us.

    BUT...that was kind of a "no brainer" by this point. They had seen Jesus walk on water, heal the sick, give sight to the blind, heal a blind, deaf-mute man (the ultimate test for a genuine miracle of God according to the Jews (Matt 12) and feed thousands out of just a pocketful of food.

    The biggest thing is that this is going on with that orgy going on in the background. Not one word of condemnation is being said about it....

    the big IN OTHER WORDS

    The telling how good Jesus/God really is... and that He wants us to have a personal relationship with him is what his "Church" or Ekklesia (lit: called out ones) is really built upon.

    AND HERE'S WHATS MORE:

    That when this is really embraced as your strongest thing that we ALL (the "you" in "I will give you the key" is plural) have the Keys to the treasure rooms of all the power, might, and wealth that Heaven has at it's disposal to further God's kingdom. (a limitless supply)

    And all of that filth of self indulgence, self importance at the expense of others, all that shameful knowledge of pleasure cannot stand up to the message that Jesus/Emmanuel (and all that He stands for) loves us in spite of our shameful ways. This stronghold and most fortified center of all that filth and ungodliness can't stand up to this message...the GOSPEL/Good News message.

    So...

    Yes, when Paul writes: "Therefore (because of all the stuff he said before) there is now NO CONDEMNATION for those of us in Christ Jesus." it is kinda an understatement...
     
  6. brionne

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    matthew 16:15 “...YOU, though, who do YOU say I am?” 16 In answer Simon Peter said: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
    The apostles were not under the impression that Jesus was the living God. Peter clearly says he was the 'son' of the living God. And in Jesus response, we can see that he did not view himself as the living God either

    17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Jo′nah, because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to you, but my Father who is in the heavens did"

    Jesus praised Simon because it was God the Father who had revealed Jesus identity to Simon. If Jesus was God, then why would he say that he did not reveal it to Simon, but the 'Father who is in the heavens did' ? If Jesus was God, he could simply have said, 'yes, I have revealed my identity to you'

    contradiction after contradiction.
     
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  7. Insight

    Insight New Member

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    Once again I find myself agreeing with you Pegg...is it not comforting to be guided by the Word as its presented and not be led astray with contradictions and heresy?

    Thy Word is Truth John 17:17

    Insight

    No mention of his sonship [​IMG]
     
  8. brionne

    brionne Active Member

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    this is what it meas to let the bible interpret itself. We dont need to add our own little spin to it. If we read the text as it is, and if Gods holy spirit allows you to see it, you will be able to see it for what it is.

    I cant see how that verse is saying Jesus is God.... it clearly states he is 'Gods Son'....but not God himself. So that is the only acceptable answer for me. :)
     
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