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well as i meant to convey, you might have no fear here at all, and only meant to relate some useful info.
maybe i was out of line there
California gets goahead to seek secession
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maybe i was out of line there
Pot ?
Marijuana legalised ?
I am for licencing of Marijuana, because of the criminal element and the foolishness of people who buy rubbish that could be tampered with, people would get quality and a much more healthy drug, growing dope under lights is bad as this destroys a chemical balance in the product.
As with many other drugs it gets cut down by one idiot to the next using total stupid harmful rubbish as it goes down the line from one idiot to the next idiot, I don't know the government what to do with that, but once a person gets to that stage of use their is not much hope for them.
I do say that there are people in government who pray on the system for their own gains in wealth and this lot are at the top of governments playing the people for fools and because most people have no idea or are truly ignorant about what drugs are that's a big problem, most think that dope is on the same level as all drugs, so they do not truly have a handle on the subject at hand and that's what the governments are happy with, a uninformed people who are totally ignorant, because that way they can diddle you all.
When one looks at the whole picture we can see how all the problems we have to deal with comes to light, number one problem is Sin and we have to deal with this first and foremost, if we reject this there is no hope regardless in any way you can cut it, but the Socialist Politically Correct Marxist reject the concept of Sin and Truth totally, but that's where the world is heading.
The extreme left and extreme right play the people, them extreme left are communist and the extreme right worship money because of the power it gives them to control, just as the left want full control, psychopaths are what they are and they seek to control the majority with a huge bag of tricks that they can suck you in with, they did it with the Churches to get them into their pocket and now they are all puppets for the government.
I'm against it and will always be, the Marijuana industry is an industry of darkness, whether it's legal or illegal, from criminals and prostitutes to witches, new agers, psychics, mediums, satanists, they just about all enthusiastically support Marijuana, and that itself says a lot about it, If Satan is full on supporting it, do you think God is supporting it? If Satan is full on supporting it? Why should Christians be supporting it?
Some Christians think it's such a good cause for fluffy duffy wonderful unity......... But c'mon, it's the wrong kind of unity, it's not God's type of unity, but the mixed up worldly unity, why support something that destroys lives and draws people away from God to bring unity.
Maybe some want to speed up Jesus's 2nd coming, and again that's not a good reason for any Christian to be pro-euthanasia, pro-abortion, pro-marijuana, etc. It's showing support for something that drags others down the path of destruction and wickedness.
Or maybe they just want to please everyone whether it be bad or good, which I think is the main reason why we got half the Church showing their support for these laws of darkness, but then again we aren't meant to please the world, we are meant to please God.
We are living in important times naturally and supernaturally and we need to pick a side, the decisions Christians make on issues of wickedness are vital and we as Christians are meant to be against every act of wickedness and against every act of Satan, because we are disciples of Jesus Christ the one true God, and He is Righteous and Clean and so should we be through Jesus Christ, we should stand for what is good in the eyes of God and against all evil.
I agree with you, but things have gotten out of hand, and the criminals are winning or have the upper hand in Australia at least.
I have a drug dealer in my street and I know the idiot and a lot around hear want to bash him up because he is selling out front their homes, I was walking down my street as it just got dark and one woman mistook me for him and tried to run me down and I had to jump out of the way, if it was him he would of been killed because he only looks at the road when walking and is on the phone 24/7 and he is a dole bludger.
I rang the police and had to go make a statement, but they treated such as just a joke and did not care at all, but if you speed 1 km/h over they make a big deal about that as being a killer.
That drug dude is a police informant that they use so they do not bust him for all his crap.
Dope will not kill anyone, but you can die drinking to much grog.
It's the criminal element and the morons who lace drugs cutting it down with stuff that is beyond madness, this is causing more problems with the peoples health down the track who take that rubbish.
The Nation should be educated on such things is what I am saying and it should be dealt with intelligently and not moronic as it has and is been done now, because it's a fools paradise that is being feed by criminal political games at the top who do not want the people educated on the subject.
The morons have always had the upper hand in all this and they are laughing at the gullibly of most people, because they have it made because the law is in their pocket and that's the Satanic government we have treating the people with contempt.
The majority of people are fools that are being led astray and they have no hope in the system we have that's working against us. all one has to do is Just look around you and see it's a joke and as it is do you think such is going to get better.
The government has gone mad since Howard left, you probably heard of the Greens latest attempt to legalize marijuana just so they can tax it, take a cut out of the sells of it, and pocket some drug money, it's ridiculous.Thank God that attempt failed, but the drug laws will pass one day unfortunately, since my generation doesn't know how to vote.
Yes the problems in our country is getting worst, but it doesn't need to get worst any faster then it currently is...
So the government should hold off from legalizing it for as long as they can if they really care about the Australian people, the train stations already are bad enough with drugs and from a supernatural point of view, what curses they are allowing to be put upon this nation, what spiritual damage is being done to Australia when they allow ungodly laws to past, but we would be lucky if one politician even knew about the spiritual effects and what Satan is trying to get them to do, our government is meant to be a Christian/Catholic majority, but what they have been putting through is not of God.
I don't know what state you live in but our Premier Daniel Andrew's put a drug injecting room just across the road from a primary school in North Richmond, and yes druggies are allowed to shoot up ice in there.....
And we can blame it on the other ridiculous laws passed in this land and quite ridiculously we can also blame the massive bad influences from Hollywood on the other side of the world on all these issues, once one thing slips, everything slips through the government, as we have seen recently. They see some rapper or movie star doing all things ungodly, and then people look up to them as some kind of good role model, it's madness, and now the government is pushing immorality into schools..... The sad reality is Australian people and even lukewarm Christians would rather take advice from a celebrity than God. At the very least 90% of Hollywood's influence is demonic and that's being nice, it's more like 99%, they might have got rid of Harvey Weinstein, but they worship Hugh Hefner.....
As I said it will be legalized one day, even though the Greens failed, it can be expected to be legalized in the near future.
So on topic with OP.
@Stranger With all that I said above, California is obviously on a much worser scale and you know it.
And to the few true Christians in California stay strong in Christ, sorry if I offend you.
But if California
If they went on to exit the USA it would be both good and bad, but overall it would be horrible with the bad massively outweighing the good, the one good thing is, bye bye to the most ungodly state of the USA, the bad news is, California as a independent country would be worst than Mexico, it's bad enough already, but if they ran as an independent nation they would be a whole lot worse, I can see Polygamy being allowed, Gender neutral marriages being allowed, I assume they already aren't far from that, I could see it becoming a persecuted nation, with Christians losing total freedom, a lot of Christians would be locked in jail for preaching the gospel, the age of marriage would be sickly dropped to suit others, the whole of LA would be turned into a drug lab.
@Stranger You don't want California to have their way as an independent nation, it would be 100x worst then it already is and it is already bad and USA would still be sharing borders. In fact the results would be felt globally, it already is, but it would be a lot worst if they were independent.
So we should be praying for our brothers and sisters in Christ that are living in Cali, we cannot turn the times, but they can be strengthened in Christ through prayer in Christ Jesus.
@Stranger With all that I said above, California is obviously on a much worser scale and you know it.
And to the few true Christians in California stay strong in Christ, sorry if I offend you.
But if California
If they went on to exit the USA it would be both good and bad, but overall it would be horrible with the bad massively outweighing the good, the one good thing is, bye bye to the most ungodly state of the USA, the bad news is, California as a independent country would be worst than Mexico, it's bad enough already, but if they ran as an independent nation they would be a whole lot worse, I can see Polygamy being allowed, Gender neutral marriages being allowed, I assume they already aren't far from that, I could see it becoming a persecuted nation, with Christians losing total freedom, a lot of Christians would be locked in jail for preaching the gospel, the age of marriage would be sickly dropped to suit others, the whole of LA would be turned into a drug lab.
@Stranger You don't want California to have their way as an independent nation, it would be 100x worst then it already is and it is already bad and USA would still be sharing borders. In fact the results would be felt globally, it already is, but it would be a lot worst if they were independent.
So we should be praying for our brothers and sisters in Christ that are living in Cali, we cannot turn the times, but they can be strengthened in Christ through prayer in Christ Jesus.
I don't think California wants to exit the U.S. Certain sections of California want to brake off into another State so as to separate themselves from the large leftist, liberal, antigod, and antichristian population which is centered in certain areas of the State but which control the States laws.
This way they could create a state that reflected the way they want to live. And not the way San Francisco wants to live.
So, concerning California being an independent nation, I don't believe that is what is discussed. But, if it were, so what? You say it would be 100 times worse. Who says? You think as bad as it is now, that it will simply remain at that stage of corruption? No. It will multiply and snowball.
Secession is coming one way or another. The divides, politically, racially, morally, and spiritually are too great. There is no fixing them as everyone functions on the delusion that diversity is our greatest strength. That is the bs. that got us here.
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Yes the corruption would multiply and snowball in an instant, and sorry I did not realize you just meant the state of California splitting up, I reckon it kinda creates a similar problem though, if you were to separate carnal California from less carnal California, it will multiply and snowball the problem at a much quicker rate and the rate is already quick, but it could be potentially very many times worst in an instant, and you would see the above of what I just said, many Christians getting jailed, totally losing Christian freedoms, not being able to preach the gospel legally, stuff like polygamy being legalized, schools encouraging recreational drug use in an independent state of extreme California.
I believe it would make one area of California a whole lot worst, if it were to break up into 2 or 3 states.
So what is your view on this? Should California split or not?
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Remember the leftist liberals began a form of secession when they declared their cities 'sanctuary cities' for immigrants despite the Federal immigration laws. Thus they were in essence seceding from the Federal govt. Then there was in response that city in Illinois that declared its county a sanctuary for gun owners. Both the liberals and conservatives were declaring their desire to separate due to the inability to live together.
As I stated earlier, secession is going to happen one way or another. It may come under a different name such as 'sanctuary' or 'creating another state' or war. But it is inevitable. Our country has divided itself into so many fragments thinking the whole time all will hail the U.S. and be united just for the sake of being united. Which is total non-sense and now we are living out their error. But they will never admit their error. Governments don't like to do that. So they keep preaching diversity is our strength and in so doing they throw gas on the fire.
If California split into several states, yes one area would be worse off. But it depends on what you mean by worse off. The liberals will enjoy being with their liberal government. The conservatives would enjoy being under their conservative government. The more liberal state would turn into a sewer, but then their area was already. You would see the lines naturally dividing among races and religion. The minorities would gravitate toward the liberal atheistic and left states and whites would gravitate toward the conservative, Christian, right states.
At least this would last for a while, till they run their state into the ground and minorities finally figure out this ain't working out here where minorities are in the majority. So, they would began a march to the more white conservative states to demand their rights. Just like what California now has on her border. Notice these immigrants don't want to stop in Mexico. No, no, no. Nothing there. They have to go where the white man has established his country with some Christian decency and law and order. They can't fix their problems in their own country. So they must go and be a problem in another country.
So, you ask if I think California should divide into states. I am all for any type of peaceful secession because it is going to happen one way or another.
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dunno about "unity," i guess Reefer Madness has poisoned a generation at least against that, but i could fill a page with why pot is better than any other goto, and how making it "illegal" has generated your pov; not the fact that it exists, iow, or is now considered the domain of "bad people." See, all you have to do to make something the domain of "evil" is to make it "illegal," right
unify under this banner if you like, bam
i mean the Gov never lies to you,
and always has your best interests at heart, right
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though your point is well received, one has to look at what is actually going on. who benefits and who suffers if cannabis products are not available to the public, even if it requires a proscription.
cannabis isn't intrinsically evil as you seem to portray, its the people involved. you know why rock and roll music is a promotor of sex and drugs because back when blacks and Elvis was making it popular the churches rejected it called it evil. so if you leave something in the hands of the wicked then its wickedness you get, so don't start complaining and accusing about what the church has condemned and put in the hands of wicked. such is the case with cannabis. I'm not saying get a bong, and go for it, but there are many legitimate uses that really do help people.
in the US its so corrupted that if some one gets a prescription they don't go to the pharmacist, they go to a "dispensary" which means the control already in place for controlled substances, is bypassed. therein is the real problem, and why the law has been allowed by law makers to be structured so.
I can only see education on drugs will be the way to go, Ignorance never bears fruit, but sadly that's what is dished up to us all, our Greens are just the modern day hippy retards controlled by Communist dip sticks.
Harvey Weinstein is coming back and will be forgiven in Hollywood it has been claimed of late that I heard.
The whole of the problems you have just mentioned stem from worldly works and that's why we are finished as a Nation, because with such there is only one way and that is down hill.
The Socialist make claims of 'Diversity is our strength' now the fact is if you under stand where they are truly coming from, they clearly do not understand what the word diversity truly means, like with all the Political Correct propaganda, they use slogans that come across as sounding like a good thing, but when you look into it more in depth you find it's a totally miss leading deception, 'Safe schools' is another highly deceptive work of cunning Satanic bastardisation of our Children that comes to mind.
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I say let Calif succeed, then we invade it, conquer it, banish the liberals to whatever Socialist paradise of their choosing, and threaten to withhold aid to said paradise if they refuse entrance of said liberals.
Sadly even though the legalization of medicinal cannabis may have been help for those who needed it for their diseases, whether you see it as right or wrong it really just puts Australia a step closer to legalizing recreational use, it's like a trojan horse. God may have created the plant, but people were never meant to smoke pot and get high, that was Satan's idea.
And you gotta remember witch doctors use the stuff to practice their sorcery, and the Satanic practice of sorcery goes all the way back to the old days in the Old Testament.
A whole state seceding would be illegal I believe. Secession was made illegal after the War between the States. The dividing up of a State into other states is still legal, and can be used as secession by those wanting to secede. Just like I spoke earlier about sanctuary cities or counties. That too is a form of secession and since it is being allowed, a precedent has been established, and we as conservatives can use it also. Which we should.
I understand your hostility towards the liberal atheistic left. I have it also. But, war is, or should be, the last resort or result. I say 'result' because I firmly believe that if nothing is done war will come. It is actually feasible for a state to divide and each state create its own government and structure it to be conservative or liberal or whatever it wants, and still agree to remain in the U.S. This could be done peaceably and thus people could gravitate toward the state or local government of their choosing.
The Federal government would have to relinquish some of its control over these states and allow for their form of governing themselves. But, as I said, they already are doing that with sanctuary cities. Thus a precedent has been set. I believe this could be done peaceably without a total upheaval that war creates.
Of course this can be done only if people are wanting peace and can come to agreements and work out solutions. The liberal left have shown that they are not so willing. In other words, if the shoe was on the other foot and liberals controlled the White House, the Senate, the House, and certain conservative cities established themselves as sanctuary cities for conservative reasons, these same liberals would be crying for blood against such traitors to our 'glorious union'. They like the 'sanctuary' when it is their 'sanctuary'.
Then once the liberals see the natural divisions taking place, they will scream like a squashed cat. So, though I think it could be done peaceably, I don't think the liberals or Federal government will allow it.
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I don't understand you man.... As a Christian, why do you support carnal worldly causes so much? That's the one thing I never understood about you.
If the government were to legalize everything, the government would just get a bigger pay rise anyway, it's just putting criminal money into the government's hands, it's wrong.
I won't support the carnal worldly downward spiral of morality, yes it's prophesied, but as Christians we shouldn't get involved in it, we shouldn't be pushing for Satan's causes. And I stand strong in Christ against immorality.
That does not mean I'm extreme though like you are suggesting, the world has the wrong idea of what is extremism these days, the world thinks the Gospel is extreme, they think standing up for what's right in the eyes of God is extreme, you are only not extreme if you agree with some Hollywood star, if you disagree with the politically correct, you are extreme in the eyes of the World. Drug dealers killing others over money owed that's extreme, euthanasia that's extreme, abortion now that's real extremism. Just because you legalize drugs, they will still be a back alley drug market... Many more people will be wrecked as a result of legalization, and it will only push for more corrupt laws.
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um, you would have to demonstrate "carnal worldly causes" better for me first; American soldiers guarding Afghan poppy fields is what i do not support. We were denied hemp bc that would have kept us self-sufficient, and not needing to consume anything that did not come from our own land imo
you might think so, but this does not seem to be the case. This is being studied right now, but the conclusions are more or less in on this; it is making things illegal that makes the problem worse, as counter-intuitive as that seems. Prohibition, etc. Fixing the symptoms does not work; addressing the problem is all that will i guess
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no it doesn't have to be a step towards legal use no more then the prescription for barbiturates, or opioids are a step towards legal use. but in the context of the law makers management of the situation it remains outside the mainstream controlled substance system so it can be ready for markets of legal use. hence the corruption involved.
in what was meant for what, are grapes meant for getting drunk? are poppies meant to use for killing pain that would be unbearable otherwise? its what men use something for, we as living flesh on the planet are permitted to do whatever with whatever we find. what you say is like saying the chemistry is devil's sorcery to make steel to build bridges with.
Well you seem to leave out parts of the Bible and live your own way... And you seem to proudly support recreational drugs, abortions, euthanasia, every kind of sexual immorality, witchcraft, you think it's coming completely fine for a Christian to worship Jesus and Buddha etc.
Romans 1 you don't accept as truth, same goes for Romans 6, and you make a mockery out of what Jesus said about righteousness and the end times, and how we are meant to stay out off wickedness, keep watch and pray.
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