CALVINISM IS SIMPLY THE GOSPEL BELIEVED

[Eternally Grateful]

LOL The New Testament was written by Catholics.

Um, No it was not. it was written by jewish Christians, some of who became apostles.

All the Apostles and the Early Church were Catholic.

No they were not

There was no other Church.

I disagree. Paul wrote to the church of Rome, the church at Corinth, The church at Ephesus.

They were not catholic.

The Orthodox splintered off in 1054 A.D. and Protestantism didn't begin until the 16th century, begun by rogue Catholics. It was the Catholic Church that decided definitively what books belonged in the New Testament when they compiled it in the late 4th century. Before that, there was no Bible with Old and New Testament under one cover.

It was the catholic church who killed people who did not follow them
It was the catholic church who imprisoned those it considered heretics
It was the catholic church who burned any books or writing they did not agree with
it was the catholic church who used to armies of Rome to force the people they ruled to follow them, and reject all other beliefes.

for 1500 years. no one could believe anything else for fear of the roman bully which called itself the church.

It was not until the power of rome crashed that people started to feel save to come out of the closet and actually openly profess a belief that differed from the roman church.

But hey, You want to follow that church, feel free. But your "history" excuse will not help anyone come to your faith, because when we look at your history. we are appalled. Not overjoyed.

Catholics should be ashamed, not boasting

 

[Arthur81]

If Calvin had the interpretation intended by the authors, he would have remained Catholic and held to the interpretation intended by those authors. The fact that he changed the interpretation indicates that he was holding to his own personal interpretation, not that of the authors of Scripture. The Bible is Catholic book, and was so long, long before Protestantism arose.

It is laughable that the Roman Catholic Church claims to be "the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints" in the first century, Jude 1:3! See page 7 on this pdf file of 402 pages. Link at bottom of list.

"One of the first things that we want to point out in this study is that the Roman Catholic
Church has not always been what it is today. Rather, it has reached its present state as the
result of a long, slow process of development as through the centuries one new doctrine,
or ritual, or custom after another has been added. Even a superficial reading of the
following list will make clear that most of the distinctive features of the system were
unknown to Apostolic Christianity, and that one can hardly recognize in present day
Romanism the original Christian doctrines. Not all dates can be given with exactness
since some doctrines and rituals were debated or practiced over a period of time before
their formal acceptance."

SOME ROMAN CATHOLIC HERESIES AND INVENTIONS
and the dates of their adoption over a period of 1,650 years

1. Prayers for the dead: began about A.D. 300.
2. Making the sign of the cross: A.D. 300.
3. Wax candles: about A.D. 320.
4. Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images: A.D. 375.
5. The Mass, as a daily celebration: A.D. 394.
6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary, the term “Mother of God” first applied to her by the Council of Ephesus: A.D. 431.
7. Priests began to dress differently from laymen: A.D. 500.
8. Extreme Unction: A.D. 526.
9. The doctrine of Purgatory, established by Gregory I: A.D. 593.
10. Latin language, used in prayer and worship, imposed by Gregory I: A.D. 600.
11. Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints, and angels: about A.D. 600.
12. Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III by emperor Phocas: A.D. 607
13. Kissing the pope’s foot, began with Pope Constantine: A.D. 709.
14. Temporal power of the popes, conferred by Pepin, king of the Franks: A.D. 750.
15. Worship of the cross, images, and relics: authorized in A.D. 786.
16. Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest: A.D. 850.
17. Worship of St. Joseph: A.D. 890.
18. College of Cardinals established: A.D. 927.
19. Baptism of bells, instituted by pope John XIII: A.D. 965.
20. Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV: A.D. 995.
21. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent: A.D. 998.
22. The Mass, developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory in the 11th century.
23. Celibacy of the priesthood, decreed by pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand): A.D. 1079.
24. The Rosary, mechanical praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit: A.D. 1090.
25. The Inquisition, instituted by the Council of Verona: A.D. 1184.
26. Sale of Indulgences: A.D. 1190.
27. Transubstantiation, proclaimed by Pope Innocent III: A.D. 1215.
28. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest instead of to God, instituted by Pope Innocent III, in Lateran Council: A.D. 1215.
29. Adoration of the wafer (Host), decreed by Pope Honorius III: A.D. 1220.
30. Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Toulouse: A.D. 1229.
31. The Scapular, invented by Simon Stock, an English monk: A.D. 1251.
32. Cup forbidden to the people at communion by Council of Constance: A.D. 1414.
33. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence: A.D. 1439.
34. The doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed: A.D. 1439.
35. The Ave Maria (part of the last half was completed 50 years later and approved by Pope Sixtus V at the end of the 16th century): A.D. 1508.
36. Jesuit order founded by Loyola: A.D. 1534.
37. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent: A.D. 1545.
38. Apocryphal books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent: A.D. 1546.
39. Creed of pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed: A.D. 1560.
40. Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX: A.D. 1854.
41. Syllabus of Errors, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX and ratified by the Vatican Council;
condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries
which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the pope’s temporal authority over
all civil rulers: A.D. 1864.
42. Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council: A.D. 1870.
43. Public Schools condemned by Pope Pius XI: A.D. 1930.
44. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death), proclaimed by Pope Pius XII: A.D. 1950.
45. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church by Pope Paul VI: A.D. 1965.

https://www.tlchrist.info/keithgreen/boettner_romancatholocism.pdf

This exposé of Roman Catholicism is a great book by Lorraine Boettner.

 

[Augustin56]

Um, No it was not. it was written by jewish Christians, some of who became apostles.

No they were not

I disagree. Paul wrote to the church of Rome, the church at Corinth, The church at Ephesus.

They were not catholic.

It was the catholic church who killed people who did not follow them
It was the catholic church who imprisoned those it considered heretics
It was the catholic church who burned any books or writing they did not agree with
it was the catholic church who used to armies of Rome to force the people they ruled to follow them, and reject all other beliefes.

for 1500 years. no one could believe anything else for fear of the roman bully which called itself the church.

It was not until the power of rome crashed that people started to feel save to come out of the closet and actually openly profess a belief that differed from the roman church.

But hey, You want to follow that church, feel free. But your "history" excuse will not help anyone come to your faith, because when we look at your history. we are appalled. Not overjoyed.

Catholics should be ashamed, not boasting

The Catholic Church is the original Church founded by Christ. St. Ignatius of Antioch, the bishop of Antioch ordained by St. Peter, was captured by the Romans. While they were transporting him to be martyred for the faith, he wrote a letter to the Smyrnaeans around 107-110 A.D., referring to the "Catholic Church," not in such a manner as if he were coining the term, but in such a manner in which he fully expected the Smyrnaeans to understand what he was talking about.

It says in paragraph 8, "Where the bishop is present, there let the congregation gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."

Here we have an individual, taught by the Apostles John and Peter, ordained by St. Peter and assigned as bishop of Antioch, referring to the Catholic Church. He wasn't coining the term. He fully expected the Smyrnaeans to understand what he meant.

The "church of Rome" the "Church at Corinth" etc., were just churches in those locations that were all Catholic. THERE WAS NO OTHER CHURCH. Christ established ONE Church and it remained that way until 1054 A.D.

See the entire letter here: https://www.orderofstignatius.org/files/Letters/Ignatius_to_Smyrnaeans.pdf

 

[Augustin56]

It is laughable that the Roman Catholic Church claims to be "the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints" in the first century, Jude 1:3! See page 7 on this pdf file of 402 pages. Link at bottom of list.

"One of the first things that we want to point out in this study is that the Roman Catholic
Church has not always been what it is today. Rather, it has reached its present state as the
result of a long, slow process of development as through the centuries one new doctrine,
or ritual, or custom after another has been added. Even a superficial reading of the
following list will make clear that most of the distinctive features of the system were
unknown to Apostolic Christianity, and that one can hardly recognize in present day
Romanism the original Christian doctrines. Not all dates can be given with exactness
since some doctrines and rituals were debated or practiced over a period of time before
their formal acceptance."

SOME ROMAN CATHOLIC HERESIES AND INVENTIONS
and the dates of their adoption over a period of 1,650 years

1. Prayers for the dead: began about A.D. 300.
2. Making the sign of the cross: A.D. 300.
3. Wax candles: about A.D. 320.
4. Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images: A.D. 375.
5. The Mass, as a daily celebration: A.D. 394.
6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary, the term “Mother of God” first applied to her by the Council of Ephesus: A.D. 431.
7. Priests began to dress differently from laymen: A.D. 500.
8. Extreme Unction: A.D. 526.
9. The doctrine of Purgatory, established by Gregory I: A.D. 593.
10. Latin language, used in prayer and worship, imposed by Gregory I: A.D. 600.
11. Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints, and angels: about A.D. 600.
12. Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III by emperor Phocas: A.D. 607
13. Kissing the pope’s foot, began with Pope Constantine: A.D. 709.
14. Temporal power of the popes, conferred by Pepin, king of the Franks: A.D. 750.
15. Worship of the cross, images, and relics: authorized in A.D. 786.
16. Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest: A.D. 850.
17. Worship of St. Joseph: A.D. 890.
18. College of Cardinals established: A.D. 927.
19. Baptism of bells, instituted by pope John XIII: A.D. 965.
20. Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV: A.D. 995.
21. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent: A.D. 998.
22. The Mass, developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory in the 11th century.
23. Celibacy of the priesthood, decreed by pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand): A.D. 1079.
24. The Rosary, mechanical praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit: A.D. 1090.
25. The Inquisition, instituted by the Council of Verona: A.D. 1184.
26. Sale of Indulgences: A.D. 1190.
27. Transubstantiation, proclaimed by Pope Innocent III: A.D. 1215.
28. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest instead of to God, instituted by Pope Innocent III, in Lateran Council: A.D. 1215.
29. Adoration of the wafer (Host), decreed by Pope Honorius III: A.D. 1220.
30. Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Toulouse: A.D. 1229.
31. The Scapular, invented by Simon Stock, an English monk: A.D. 1251.
32. Cup forbidden to the people at communion by Council of Constance: A.D. 1414.
33. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence: A.D. 1439.
34. The doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed: A.D. 1439.
35. The Ave Maria (part of the last half was completed 50 years later and approved by Pope Sixtus V at the end of the 16th century): A.D. 1508.
36. Jesuit order founded by Loyola: A.D. 1534.
37. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent: A.D. 1545.
38. Apocryphal books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent: A.D. 1546.
39. Creed of pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed: A.D. 1560.
40. Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX: A.D. 1854.
41. Syllabus of Errors, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX and ratified by the Vatican Council;
condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries
which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the pope’s temporal authority over
all civil rulers: A.D. 1864.
42. Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council: A.D. 1870.
43. Public Schools condemned by Pope Pius XI: A.D. 1930.
44. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death), proclaimed by Pope Pius XII: A.D. 1950.
45. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church by Pope Paul VI: A.D. 1965.

https://www.tlchrist.info/keithgreen/boettner_romancatholocism.pdf

This exposé of Roman Catholicism is a great book by Lorraine Boettner.

So, you're going to use an anti-Catholic .pdf from Lorraine Boettner to try to make your point? LOL

Lorraine Boettner has been proven a fake long ago. His book is full of lies and errors.

Here are some articles that discuss some of his claims:

The Anti-Catholic Bible

Loraine Boettner’s work, Roman Catholicism, is the source of many modern anti-Catholic claims, but the book is fraught with problems.

www.catholic.com

The Mass, the Temple, and Loraine Boettner

Russians tell the story of how the pagan ruler of Kiev, King Vladimir, desired to learn which of all the world’s religions was the one revealed from heaven. His...

www.catholic.com

How to Answer the Charge ‘Catholicism Is Pagan’

Some people claim the Catholic Church came into existence in the early part of the fourth century after the Roman emperor Constantine (pictured above) converted...

www.catholic.com

More Catholic "Inventions"

Are many of the Catholic Church's positions unusual in Christianity, or are they just misrepresented by anti-Catholics? We clear away the confusion.

www.catholic.com

 

[Arthur81]

So, you're going to use an anti-Catholic .pdf from Lorraine Boettner to try to make your point? LOL

Lorraine Boettner has been proven a fake long ago. His book is full of lies and errors.

Here are some articles that discuss some of his claims:

The Anti-Catholic Bible

Loraine Boettner’s work, Roman Catholicism, is the source of many modern anti-Catholic claims, but the book is fraught with problems.

www.catholic.com

The Mass, the Temple, and Loraine Boettner

Russians tell the story of how the pagan ruler of Kiev, King Vladimir, desired to learn which of all the world’s religions was the one revealed from heaven. His...

www.catholic.com

How to Answer the Charge ‘Catholicism Is Pagan’

Some people claim the Catholic Church came into existence in the early part of the fourth century after the Roman emperor Constantine (pictured above) converted...

www.catholic.com

More Catholic "Inventions"

Are many of the Catholic Church's positions unusual in Christianity, or are they just misrepresented by anti-Catholics? We clear away the confusion.

www.catholic.com

I have taken the time to research some of these claims by Lorraine Boettner and find him to be accurate when seen from neutral sources of historical fact. Readers, if you doubt, use the various AI search engines and check for yourself.

 

[Arthur81]

For you evangelicals on here, reading Roman Catholic Augustin56's replies, notice with whom you are in agreement with on "free will". Martin Luther' book Bondage of the Will was an answer in debate with the Romanist beliefs. The arguments made by the Romanists against Luther, are many of the same arguments used by the Arminians of today, the evangelicals. I've found it odd that some denominations or groups who are rabidly anit-RCC are equally rabidly free-willers!

 

[Augustin56]

I have taken the time to research some of these claims by Lorraine Boettner and find him to be accurate when seen from neutral sources of historical fact. Readers, if you doubt, use the various AI search engines and check for yourself.

Boettner's claims are not legitimate at all. His work, from an academic standpoint, is unsustainable. No true scholar gives him any credit.

 

[Augustin56]

For you evangelicals on here, reading Roman Catholic Augustin56's replies, notice with whom you are in agreement with on "free will". Martin Luther' book Bondage of the Will was an answer in debate with the Romanist beliefs. The arguments made by the Romanists against Luther, are many of the same arguments used by the Arminians of today, the evangelicals. I've found it odd that some denominations or groups who are rabidly anit-RCC are equally rabidly free-willers!

It's really difficult to speak about Protestantism as a whole in detail because there are so many differing and contradictory beliefs within the group. The only unifying principle I can find is anti-Catholicism. Other than that, they continually splinter and splinter into different, arguing denominations, all based on someone's personal interpretation of Scripture, which Scripture clearly warns against in 2 Peter 1:20-21. There is no unity of belief there.

 

[Arthur81]

Boettner's claims are not legitimate at all. His work, from an academic standpoint, is unsustainable. No true scholar gives him any credit.

I suggested the readers go to "neutral" sources of historical fact, rather than the catholic.com references you gave. Personally, I use 6 different AI search engines daily in various areas of research, including health issues, etc. It certainly pays to be informed and using various AI search engines helps recognize biases and varied perspectives.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Catholic Church is the original Church founded by Christ.

Sorry to bust your bubble my friend, But it is not.

St. Ignatius of Antioch, the bishop of Antioch ordained by St. Peter, was captured by the Romans. While they were transporting him to be martyred for the faith, he wrote a letter to the Smyrnaeans around 107-110 A.D., referring to the "Catholic Church," not in such a manner as if he were coining the term, but in such a manner in which he fully expected the Smyrnaeans to understand what he was talking about.

It says in paragraph 8, "Where the bishop is present, there let the congregation gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
Here we have an individual, taught by the Apostles John and Peter, ordained by St. Peter and assigned as bishop of Antioch, referring to the Catholic Church. He wasn't coining the term. He fully expected the Smyrnaeans to understand what he meant.

The "church of Rome" the "Church at Corinth" etc., were just churches in those locations that were all Catholic. THERE WAS NO OTHER CHURCH. Christ established ONE Church and it remained that way until 1054 A.D.

See the entire letter here: https://www.orderofstignatius.org/files/Letters/Ignatius_to_Smyrnaeans.pdf

lol

You assume that that church is the same of your church today. Show me in the bible where your church and how it does things is supported? Show me a church like your church anywhere in the bible, you can;t because you can;t find one.

there was no pope. There were three leaders of the jewish church and one leader of the gentile church, all 4 being leaders of the churches of God. (which is what they were called in the bible. the inspired word of God. so I would use that term..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Boettner's claims are not legitimate at all. His work, from an academic standpoint, is unsustainable. No true scholar gives him any credit.

yet his facts are true.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's really difficult to speak about Protestantism as a whole in detail because there are so many differing and contradictory beliefs within the group. The only unifying principle I can find is anti-Catholicism. Other than that, they continually splinter and splinter into different, arguing denominations, all based on someone's personal interpretation of Scripture, which Scripture clearly warns against in 2 Peter 1:20-21. There is no unity of belief there.

the catholic church is but one of many denominations

The jew was one nation. Yet it had many forms of its own religion. which prety much same as we see today.

sadly, the one in power at the time, used the same exact arguments catholics use today to crucify Christ.

you would think the Gentile church would learn from the mistakes of the past. But we see with the catholic church, they not only did not learn, but they made (make) the exact same error

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I suggested the readers go to "neutral" sources of historical fact, rather than the catholic.com references you gave. Personally, I use 6 different AI search engines daily in various areas of research, including health issues, etc. It certainly pays to be informed and using various AI search engines helps recognize biases and varied perspectives.

its amazing

lets not go to anti catholic website (which would be any web site that disagrees with the catholic church)

lets go to a pro catholic site (as if they are not biased)

how about lets go to a neutral site. where we can get the real unbiased facts

 

[Augustin56]

I suggested the readers go to "neutral" sources of historical fact, rather than the catholic.com references you gave. Personally, I use 6 different AI search engines daily in various areas of research, including health issues, etc. It certainly pays to be informed and using various AI search engines helps recognize biases and varied perspectives.

You do realize that AI only uses existing information, right? It doesn't create historical information.

 

[Augustin56]

Sorry to bust your bubble my friend, But it is not.

lol

You assume that that church is the same of your church today. Show me in the bible where your church and how it does things is supported? Show me a church like your church anywhere in the bible, you can;t because you can;t find one.

there was no pope. There were three leaders of the jewish church and one leader of the gentile church, all 4 being leaders of the churches of God. (which is what they were called in the bible. the inspired word of God. so I would use that term..

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then. I was eduated before the Marxists took over the educational system. I know my history, and the history of the Church. History that was written long before Protestantism reared its head in the 16th century.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then. I was eduated before the Marxists took over the educational system. I know my history, and the history of the Church. History that was written long before Protestantism reared its head in the 16th century.

Your following men,

I will follow God, and his word. which is able to make me wise for salvation. and able to make me a workman who needs not be ashamed.

Jews followed history also. they crucified Christ.

of course, If Christ came and told you you were wrong. you would crucify him also..

thank you

 

[Augustin56]

Your following men,

I will follow God, and his word. which is able to make me wise for salvation. and able to make me a workman who needs not be ashamed.

Jews followed history also. they crucified Christ.

of course, If Christ came and told you you were wrong. you would crucify him also..

thank you

(Slight aside: It's "You're" not "Your." "Your" is a possessive pronoun. "You're" is a cotraction for "You are.")

You cannot follow God unless you follow the Church He founded. Otherwise, you are making yourself your own god, doing what you want and what you want to believe vs. what He wants and wants you to believe. You shut yourself out of five of the seven Sacraments Christ gave us to help us get to heaven, the most important of which is the Eucharist, which is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ, Himself. Jesus said, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink." John 6:53-55.

Since Protestantism has lost the sacrament of Holy Orders, it has no priests. Having no priests who can consecrate the Eucharist means they have no Eucharist. No Eucharist, no compliance with John 6:53-55.

All you have is personal interpretation of Scripture, which St. Peter warns against in 2 Peter 1:20-21.

Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.

 

[Rockerduck]

God is not in a building; God indwells the Born again from above Christian. You'll never follow a building into Heaven, nor can you find God in a building, nor can the Eucharist to get to Heaven. Only Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, offers a way. Never lose sight of that. You have two choices in this world, don't make the wrong one. Choose Jesus, not the church.

Matthew 7::13-14 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[Randy Kluth]

This is legalistic, it looks to self and not God.

what is faith?

Faith is an assurance of a trust that the person who we trust is trustworthy, that he will do what he says.

In the gospel. Faith is an assurance that God will save us eternally based on his sons sacrifice. And that we who trust him actually trust that he will keep his word. Not based on us, but on him.

Now, Like we are shown with Abraham, Faith works in other areas also. Abraham was assured, or trusted that God would raise his son from the dead (Because God made a promise he would have children and a nation would come from that child) and his faith caused him to work.

True faith causes us to work, it is not the result of work.

No, it's not legalistic. Faith includes works, as James said.
James 2.20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?

Legalism is the attempt to be good apart from God's Word, to get Saved apart from Christ and his Word. I'm suggesting that false faith puts itself out there as a mind-set, instead of as an active choice to participate with and partner with God's Word via the embrace of Christ's atonement.

1st, we embrace Christ, which is the total will of God, providing us with Eternal Salvation. And then, having done that we follow up by exercising our faith in God's Word, which is what Christ died to give us eternally.

Just "belief" does not save. It is the object of our faith, which is Christ's Word, that saves us and enables us to do good, be good, and have our good deeds follow us.

Faith is only the opposite of Works if we are talking about empty, unspiritual faith that does not have Christ and his Word as its object. Faith and Works are integrally related in God's Kingdom.

False Faith does *not* Save! True Faith determines to obtain Christ and to display Christ. In Hebrews 11, the faithful all display in their Works the Faith that is properly centered on God's Word.

If we adopt Protestantism as purely a dogmatism, an orthodoxy, with its own unique formula, creed, and litmus test, we will miss out on the excesses that are involved in its push without inspiration. If we wish to push a true orthodoxy, we have to do so in a spiritual way, and not as if it is a form of political activism. Think through your responses before you respond.

"Faith" is not a thing that obtains for us Salvation apart from God's Word, apart from Christ. It is not the thing that Saves you. It is Christ who died for you, who Saves you. Our Faith is the means of receiving that truth and operating in that truth. It is Works of Faith that operate properly in God's Kingdom, and not Works apart from God's Word. And it most certainly is *not* no Works at all!

 

[Arthur81]

You do realize that AI only uses existing information, right? It doesn't create historical information.

You either did not read or do not comprehend the English language. I said in closing my remarks: "using various AI search engines helps recognize biases and varied perspectives."

The AI search engines usually give the source and if they don't, you can easily use "Find on Page" <ctrl F> and search for the phrasing given in the answers. I'll give the AI search engines that I use:

Microsoft Copilot in Bing

Chat, get answers, create amazing content, and discover information effortlessly with Bing's AI-powered chat. Transform the way you search and get answers with Microsoft Copilot in Bing.

www.bing.com

Brave Search

Search the web privately…

search.brave.com

https://www.perplexity.ai/

Andi - Search for the next generation

Andi is search for the next generation using generative AI. Instead of just links, Andi gives you answers - like chatting with a smart friend

andisearch.com

https://www.phind.com/search?home=true

Your Personalized AI Assistant.

Conversational and continuously learning, You.com enhances web search, writing, coding, digital art creation, and solving complex problems.

you.com