CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

[brightfame52]

@brightfame52

The reason that you only go to "christian" forums to teach John Calvinism, is because you have no real Christianity to offer anyone.

You dont realize this, because Calvinism has you under its "spell"... or as Paul told you... "WHO has BEWITCHED YOU< so that you no longer obey the Truth". ?

See, you..... like all deceived Hyper-Calvinists, teach CALVINISM, and believe that you are teaching Christianity.

That is how demonic and powerful is this doctrine of devils, once it takes over a person's mind.

You can't help yourself.
You can't stop.
That's a fact.
Calvinism, this doctrine of devils, owns you, and that is why its all you want to RANT about and RAVE about and worry about..

You can't see it, but the members here can..
Believe it.

Now come again and again and post your John Calvinism obsession, so that we can see you clearly and the few others who are also mind trapped and mind blinded by this son of the DEVIL's work.... who is a literal cancer on the Body of Christ.

Man by nature is totally depraved doesnt seek after God and cant Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[ChristisGod]

@brightfame52

The reason that you only go to "christian" forums to teach John Calvinism, is because you have no real Christianity to offer anyone.

You dont realize this, because Calvinism has you under its "spell"... or as Paul told you... "WHO has BEWITCHED YOU< so that you no longer obey the Truth". ?

See, you..... like all deceived Hyper-Calvinists, teach CALVINISM, and believe that you are teaching Christianity.

That is how demonic and powerful is this doctrine of devils, once it takes over a person's mind.

You can't help yourself.
You can't stop.
That's a fact.
Calvinism, this doctrine of devils, owns you, and that is why its all you want to RANT about and RAVE about and worry about..

You can't see it, but the members here can..
Believe it.

Now come again and again and post your John Calvinism obsession, so that we can see you clearly and the few others who are also mind trapped and mind blinded by this son of the DEVIL's work.... who is a literal cancer on the Body of Christ.

there is a theology of the head created by the doctrines of man and their is the theology of the heart where Jesus lives/abides evidenced by the fruit of the Spirit. One emphasizes the love of Christ for all and the other the hatred of God for most all sinners except a select few who were saved before they were created- the rest were created for the burn pile all for the glory of a pagan god. Sounds more like the god of Molech.

 

[brightfame52]

and without faith there is no salvation.

is as simple as that- no faith no salvation.

one must be alive/ living and understand the gospel to be saved/ believe/ exercise faith and repentance.

hope this helps !!!

Can you imagine Christ dying for a persons sins before they were ever born to commit sin ? Yes or no

 

[Behold]

and without faith there is no salvation.

is as simple as that- no faith no salvation.

one must be alive/ living and understand the gospel to be saved/ believe/ exercise faith and repentance.

The Gospel, which is "the preaching of the Cross" as "The preaching of the Cross is the power of God, unto salvation"... has to be HEARD to be Believed.

Hyper Calvinists, teach that you have to be born again, to be able to believe.

These deceived people can't even understand that you can't be born again, UNTIL You Believe, as God then takes that Faith in Christ and accepts it and then HE gives you the New Birth.

Christians understand that FAITH comes by HEARING the Gospel, or seeing it... whatever......as it has to be given to you. so that you can believe it.

Hyper Calvinist nut bars, teach that you have to be born again, FIRST......having not believed Yet.

its CRAZY Theology....>Its Demonic. = John Calvinism.

This is so Theologically insane, so BACKWARDS, regarding "faith in Christ" and "the hearing of the Gospel" that you just have to be amazed that anyone could not see how crazy is John Calvinism.
But that is the power of Deception. And John Calvin is one of the Devil's finest Trophies of Satanism.

 

[ChristisGod]

The Gospel, which is "the preaching of the Cross" as "The preaching of the Cross is the power of God, unto salvation"... has to be HEARD to be Believed.

Hyper Calvinists, teach that you have to be born again, to be able to believe.

This is so Theologically insane, so BACKWARDS, regarding "faith in Christ" and "the hearing of the Gospel" that you just have to be amazed that anyone could not see how crazy is John Calvinism.
But that is the power of Deception.

the gospel at that point becomes foolishness in that systematic since they were saved without hearing and believing the gospel.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Im not saying nothing, you said it

How about grammar? Do you know anything about that?

 

[JBO]

The Gospel, which is "the preaching of the Cross" as "The preaching of the Cross is the power of God, unto salvation"... has to be HEARD to be Believed.

Hyper Calvinists, teach that you have to be born again, to be able to believe.

These deceived people can't even understand that you can't be born again, UNTIL You Believe, as God then takes that Faith in Christ and accepts it and then HE gives you the New Birth.

Christians understand that FAITH comes by HEARING the Gospel, or seeing it... whatever......as it has to be given to you. so that you can believe it.

Hyper Calvinist nut bars, teach that you have to be born again, FIRST......having not believed Yet.

its CRAZY Theology....>Its Demonic. = John Calvinism.

This is so Theologically insane, so BACKWARDS, regarding "faith in Christ" and "the hearing of the Gospel" that you just have to be amazed that anyone could not see how crazy is John Calvinism.
But that is the power of Deception. And John Calvin is one of the Devil's finest Trophies of Satanism.

Absolutely! Colossians 2:11-13 proves that regeneration comes through faith: 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

The phrase, "dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him" is the precise definition and meaning of regeneration. It is the very expression of being born again. Verse 12 says that is accomplished through faith in God. Thus it is first faith, then regeneration, being born again.

 

[brightfame52]

Absolutely! Colossians 2:11-13 proves that regeneration comes through faith: 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

The phrase, "dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him" is the precise definition and meaning of regeneration. It is the very expression of being born again. Verse 12 says that is accomplished through faith in God. Thus it is first faith, then regeneration, being born again.

Col 2 doesnt show that, Faith is the fruit of the Spirit who regenerates the Elect Gal 5:22

 

[Logikos]

But it is

No, it isn't.

 

[Logikos]

the ESV was written by reformers.

So was every other modern translation of the bible.

 

[Logikos]

@brightfame52

The reason that you only go to "christian" forums to teach John Calvinism, is because you have no real Christianity to offer anyone.

You dont realize this, because Calvinism has you under its "spell"... or as Paul told you... "WHO has BEWITCHED YOU< so that you no longer obey the Truth". ?

See, you..... like all deceived Hyper-Calvinists, teach CALVINISM, and believe that you are teaching Christianity.

That is how demonic and powerful is this doctrine of devils, once it takes over a person's mind.

You can't help yourself.
You can't stop.
That's a fact.
Calvinism, this doctrine of devils, owns you, and that is why its all you want to RANT about and RAVE about and worry about..

You can't see it, but the members here can..
Believe it.

Now come again and again and post your John Calvinism obsession, so that we can see you clearly and the few others who are also mind trapped and mind blinded by this son of the DEVIL's work.... who is a literal cancer on the Body of Christ.

The evidence of the truth of your post is in the complete absence of any actual arguments made by the Calvinist.

Calvinists have arguments that they could make and some rare ones do just that, but it is quite rare and getting rarer by the day it seems. The reason that they don't participate in actual debate is because they never win and the word has gotten around that this is the case. Most of them now are content to throw out one liners and quote isolated verses of scripture that are either completely removed from their context or that they've read their doctrine into or both.

If Calvinism is true then God has predestined me to believe in free will!
He also predestined that I and every other free will believer would win every debate that I've ever participated in or witnessed against a Calvinist.

 

[JBO]

Col 2 doesnt show that, Faith is the fruit of the Spirit who regenerates the Elect Gal 5:22

Once again, the KJV, which you apparently are referencing, gives a really bad interpretation/translation of Galatians 5:22. Faithfulness, not faith, is a fruit of the Spirit.

(ASV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(DRB) But the fruit of the Spirit is, charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity,
(ESV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(ISV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(NAS77) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(NASB) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
faithfulness.
(NIrV) But the fruit the Holy Spirit produces is love, joy and peace. It is being patient, kind and good. It is being faithful
(NIV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(NKJV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(RV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

 

[Taken]

CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

I do not know Calvin or his teaching style, but seems many people do not LIKE him…
Yet curiously talk about him, rather than “quote” their objections of his teaching.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[brightfame52]

Once again, the KJV, which you apparently are referencing, gives a really bad interpretation/translation of Galatians 5:22. Faithfulness, not faith, is a fruit of the Spirit.

(ASV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(DRB) But the fruit of the Spirit is, charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity,
(ESV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(ISV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(NAS77) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(NASB) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
faithfulness.
(NIrV) But the fruit the Holy Spirit produces is love, joy and peace. It is being patient, kind and good. It is being faithful
(NIV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(NKJV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(RV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Again Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 you cant deny it

John Gill writes of Gal 5:22

faith; for though fidelity, both in words and actions, which is very ornamental to the Gospel, and a profession of religion may be meant; yet faith in Christ is not to be excluded, as it is generally by interpreters; for this is not of a man's self, nor have all men it: it is a gift of God, the operation of his power, and the work of his Spirit, whence he is styled the spirit of faith; and which therefore must have a place among his fruits; and which lies and shows itself in believing in Christ for salvation, in embracing the doctrines of the Gospel, and making a profession of them, which is called the profession of faith; all which, when right, comes from the Spirit of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Again Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 you cant deny it.

Gal 5:22 doesn’t say faith is a fruit of the Spirit ?

Faith is a gift from God.

Faithfulness comes after receiving the gift of Faith...how can you be faithful to God without the gift of Faith?

New King James Version
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness

 

[Logikos]

CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

I do not know Calvin or his teaching style, but seems many people do not LIKE him…
Yet curiously talk about him, rather than “quote” their objections of his teaching.

Glory to God,
Taken

I'd say that for most people it isn't about Calvin, its about the doctrinal system that is called Calvinism. However, I personally despise the man almost as much as I do his despicable doctrine. He was a murderous tyrant or so I'm told.

However, we aren't here to debate about historical figures, per se. The doctrine they taught, however, is a different story. Here's a sampling of Calvin's doctrine that I've presented at various times over the past eight years or so. Every bit of what follows is blasphemy and, to date, I have yet to find a single Calvinist who says they disagree with a single syllable of any of it.

“The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far as he commands, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even forced to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11​

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“thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5)​

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”He testifies that He creates light and darkness, forms good and evil (Isaiah 45:7); that no evil happens which He hath not done (Amos 3:6).* Let them tell me whether God exercises His judgments willingly or unwillingly.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 18, Paragraph 3)​

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“God is moved to mercy for no other reason but that he wills to be merciful.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 22, Paragraph 8)​

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“… predestination to glory is the cause of predestination to grace, rather than the converse.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 22, Paragraph 9)​

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“Therefore, those whom God passes over, he condemns; and this he does for no other reason than that he wills to exclude them from the inheritance which he predestines for his own children.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 1)​

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“We cannot assign any reason for his bestowing mercy on his people, but just as it so pleases him, neither can we have any reason for his reprobating others but his will.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 22, Paragraph 11)​

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“But since he foresees future events only by reason of the fact that he decreed that they take place, they vainly raise a quarrel over foreknowledge, when it is clear that all things take place rather by his determination and bidding.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)​

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“We hold that God is the disposer and ruler of all things, –that from the remotest eternity, according to his own wisdom, He decreed what he was to do, and now by his power executes what he decreed. Hence we maintain, that by His providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 8)​

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"All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death. (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion Book 5, Chapter 21, paragraph 5)​

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"I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam's children have fallen by God's will...​

...Nor ought it to seem absurd when I say, that God not only foresaw the fall of the first man, and in him the ruin of his posterity; but also at his own pleasure arranged it. (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23)​

 

[Logikos]

Again Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 you cant deny it

John Gill writes of Gal 5:22

Galatians 5 does not teach that faith is the fruit of the Spirit but that faithfulness is the fruit of the Spirit. (The Greek word is the same for both - it is the context that determines the actual meaning.) It is the quality of a person who can be relied upon, or the quality of allegiance and/or trustworthiness that is being spoken of in Galatians, not one's belief in God.
Indeed, it isn't even one's actual belief in God that you nonsensical Calvinists think its talking about but rather one's very ability to believe. You would, no doubt, claim that it is both but it's only lip service because your doctrine teaches that if you god arbitrarily decides to give someone the ability to believe, then that the person cannot resist believing and so belief is not something that someone does but is something that happens to a person by the action of your arbitrary god.

 

[Behold]

Man by nature is totally depraved doesnt seek after God and cant Rom 3:11

Your are Typical of all blind calvinist's , you didnt keep reading all that Paul wrote.

So, after Paul defines the spiritual condition of Humanity, as their "lost condition" in your Romans 3:11 verse... Paul then CONTINUES and explains the cure... the SOLUTION.

Romans 3:21

21 """"But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law,""""

See that?

YOU NEVER READ THAT PART, and neither did your demonic Master John Calvin the LIAR.

Listen,
Paul is about to show you the Gospel of the Grace of God, that is given to ALL who will BELIEVE.

READ VERSE 22, Mr Hyper Calvinist..

22.) We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ.


See that?

WE ) that is EVERYONE.... has the opportunity.

"ARE made RIGHT with GOD"..

How, Mr Hyper Calvinist??

"BY Placing our FAITH in Jesus Christ".

See that?

That is not "by being predestined to believe" or "being made to believe".,, As your DEVIL of a Theologist (John Calvin) has lied about.
And now you do the same @brightfame52

 

[Phil .]

Your are Typical of all blind calvinist's , you didnt keep reading all that Paul wrote.

So, after Paul defines the spiritual condition of Humanity, as their "lost condition" in your verse... he then CONTINUES and explains the cure... the SOLUTION.

Romans 3:21

21 """"But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law,""""

See that?

YOU NEVER READ THAT PART, and neither did your demonic Master John Calvin the LIAR.

Listen,
Paul is about to show you the Gospel of the Grace of God, that is given to ALL who will BELIEVE.

READ VERSE 22, Mr Hyper Calvinist..

22.) We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ.


See that?

WE ) that is EVERYONE.... has the opportunity.

"ARE made RIGHT with GOD"..

How, Mr Hyper Calvinist??

"BY Placing our FAITH in Jesus Christ".

See that?

That is not "by being predestined to believe" or "being made to believe".,, As your DEVIL of a Theologist (John Calvin) has lied about.
And now you do the same @brightfame52

Suppressed emotion being projected onto an ‘other’ via religious spiritual bypassing (of emotions directly felt but suppressed).

 

[Behold]

Suppressed emotion being projected onto an ‘other’ via religious spiritual bypassing (of emotions directly felt but suppressed).

Ok, you can speak confusion.
Got it.
Can you now post something that makes any sense?

Give it a shot @Phil .