Calvinism

[CharismaticLady]

Right, it isn't a question of will, it is a question of nature/ability.

But you said you will always sin because of the carnal nature?

 

[reformed1689]

But you said you will always sin because of the carnal nature?

What are you talking about?

 

[Grailhunter]

What question?

What does me only being here since Tuesday have to do with anyting?

Tell her David....Tell her how much you believe in Free-will....
When does your god predestine people to be evil?
When does your god predestine people to hell?

 

[Steve Owen]

This is a false accusation. I was at least as snide, probably more so, when I was a Calvinist.

I can well believe it.

 

[reformed1689]

Tell her David....Tell her how much you believe in Free-will....

I don't question free-will. But free-will is not the question. Ability and desire is the question. The reality is this, in our sin, there is none righteous, none that seek after God. None is all inclusive. Those that seek after God only do so by a changing of their desire from God.

 

[Willie T]

What question?

What does me only being here since Tuesday have to do with anyting?

Strawman !!! She was talking about the many confirmations of past conversations. Stop trying to divert.

 

[reformed1689]

This is a false accusation. I was at least as snide, probably more so, when I was a Calvinist.

Did you lie and slander as much?

 

[John Caldwell]

I can well believe it.

Yes. we move from grace to grace (the older us is worse than the us we have now).

 

[Grailhunter]

I don't question free-will. But free-will is not the question. Ability and desire is the question. The reality is this, in our sin, there is none righteous, none that seek after God. None is all inclusive. Those that seek after God only do so by a changing of their desire from God.

So in some twisted way you are defining this as free-will

 

[John Caldwell]

Did you lie and slander as much?

No. I've never lied or slandered. I've always been sarcastic and often snide.

But enough about me.

Is Calvinism the gospel?

 

[reformed1689]

Strawman !!! She was talking about the many confirmations of past conversations. Stop trying to divert.

Clearly you don't know what a strawman argument is. I asked a question.

 

[reformed1689]

No. I've never lied or slandered. I've always been sarcastic and often snide.

You have lied so much today I have lost count.

Is Calvinism the gospel?

The Gospel is the Gospel. I have held to this since the day you met me. Stop the slander.

 

[CharismaticLady]

What are you talking about?

Okay, why do you say I am lying about not willful sinning. You always come back with everybody sins.

 

[reformed1689]

Okay, why do you say I am lying about not willful sinning. You always come back with everybody sins.

Because we know from Scripture we do not cease to sin willfully or unwillfully until we reach heaven. That's why. So if you say you have no sin you are a deceiver and the truth is not in you.

 

[Grailhunter]

You have lied so much today I have lost count.

The Gospel is the Gospel. I have held to this since the day you met me. Stop the slander.

Ok mister man of truth...
When does your god predestine people to be evil?
When does your god predestine people to hell?

 

[Steve Owen]

Any student of the Bible will agree on your verses. I, in fact, did deal with them.

I don't think you'll find you did.

What I did not entertain was your additions to those verses. You see, Steve, I believe that Scripture is sufficient. What is written IS ENOUGH. I do not need your additions or your tradition. That is what I discovered when I endeavored to read Scripture without them. It makes sense without the additions.

I do not add to Scripture, and you have not shown that I have. As for my 'traditions;' they are agnosticism for more than half my life followed by broad evangelical Arminianism. If you can find those traditions in my posts, good luck to you.

 

[Willie T]

Clearly you don't know what a strawman argument is. I asked a question.

No, you had nothing to answer her with, so you tried to change the subject to something you hoped you could be successful in arguing about.

 

[reformed1689]

Ok mister man of truth...
When does your god predestine people to be evil?
When does your god predestine people to hell?

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Predestination/Election happened before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4

 

[reformed1689]

No, you had nothing to answer her with, so you tried to change the subject to something you hoped you could be successful in arguing about.

I didn't change the subject, I asked for clarification. Of course I had nothing to answer with because I don't know what question I am supposed to be answering. You can go back to your corner now you are making yourself look dumb.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Because we know from Scripture we do not cease to sin willfully or unwillfully until we reach heaven. That's why. So if you say you have no sin you are a deceiver and the truth is not in you.

I've already responded to this fallacy, and it went right over your head. ZoooooooooooM!

What kind of nature do you have?

 

[Grailhunter]

Predestination/Election happened before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4

So you are saying that your god predestines people to be evil before the foundation of the world.
So you are saying that your god predestines people to be damned to hell before the foundation of the world.
So now we are getting somewhere....so explain your concept of free-will.