CAN WE FALL AWAY ?

[Taken]

BIG difference: Jesus always made a point and He was GOD.
You DON'T and you're NOT.

Point is:
Holy Spirit INDWELLING Is FOREVER.
God is God, Accept His Gift To Be in His Light, that you may be in his likeness.
LOL- that does not make a man God!

But that's NOT what OSAS us about, now is it??

OSAS is precisely a man who has Accepted ONCE, and Forever, The Lords One Time Offering of Salvation.

OSAS is about Eternal Security - One Saved ALWAYS Saved.
This is an anti-Biblical invention.

Nonsense.

Oh, by the way - "Accepting" God's gift is cooperating with His grace.
It's ALL about our cooperation with Him.

Oh BTW---Accepting is what man still in his Sin Does.
Oh BTW---You teach a man Must Continue "cooperating" i.e. Doing Works...to "keep" and "finish receiving his Salvation, which is false, for a Converted man.

I was making the point that the little god YOU'VE invented for yourself

What a hardened heart Goat you are!!

 

[brakelite]

The word apostasy literally means divorce. One cannot be in a divorce situation unless there is a favorable relationship to begin with. So yes, we can fall away.

 

[Taken]

You put WAAAAAAY too much faith in yourself.
When have you ever known a human being to always make the right decisions??
Answer: NEVER.

Human beings stumble and fall - even those with the strongest faith.
The fact that YOU believe that you can't stumble shows your compete arrogance . . .

Then SHOW me in Scripture where it says this.
Chapter and Verse, please.

And how utterly Scripturally bankrupt YOU are because you can't back this moronic false teaching with the Word of God.

Utterly Pitiful!

All you can do is name call, attempt to disparage and make ungodly false accusations......

BOL, your hard-hearted rants Do not make you right, nor with your best attempts can you drag me out of the Lords Mighty Hand.

Quit pretending to be a sheep and go feast on a tin can.

 

[Taken]

CAN WE FALL AWAY <---- OP

Depends on who "WE" is.

"WE" the Converted IN CHRIST?
No "they" CAN NOT fall Away.
"They" have the Lords Word of Everlasting Life.

"WE" the Non-Converted IN CHRIST?
Yes "THEY" CAN fall Away.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Enoch111]

The word apostasy literally means divorce. One cannot be in a divorce situation unless there is a favorable relationship to begin with. So yes, we can fall away.

"Defection" would be better than "divorce".

Strong's Concordance
apostasia: defection, revolt
Original Word: ἀποστασία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apostasia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-os-tas-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: defection, apostasy
Definition: defection, apostasy, revolt.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 646: ἀποστασία
ἀποστασία, ἀποστασιας, ἡ (ἀφισταμαι),a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion: Acts 21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; ((Joshua 22:22; 2 Chronicles 29:19; 2 Chronicles 33:19); Jeremiah 2:19;Jeremiah 36:[29] 32 Complutensian; 1 Macc. 2:15). The earlier Greeks say ἀπόστασις; see Lob. ad Phryn., p. 528; (Winer's Grammar, 24).

This "falling away" speaks of the departure from Bible truth and Gospel truth within Christendom, particularly as it applies to theological liberalism and the *Christian* cults (including the cult of Mary).

As to genuine Christians, they cannot and will not be *divorced* from Christ. However those who were never saved to begin with can go deeper and deeper into apostasy. Today homosexuals are being *ordained* as priests and clergy. That is one good example.

 

[APAK]

Apostacy – abandonment of a previous loyalty and belief in God or Christ. Defecting from the ranks of the true believers, even as an act defiance by converting to a different faith or return to a previous faith. These were taste testers of the faith, never committed, that never produced a change in heart, only functioning form the carnal mind.

Again, these were unbelievers that thought they were of the faith but lacked the spirit of God within them for sustainment. Many folks today are not really saved because they lack the new spirit of salvation. They are still carnal heartless/heart-changed saved people. They had no true spiritual connection with God and can come and go in their own carnal faith anytime they want. They are proud to know they have free-will and can be their own gods.

(1Ti 4:1) But the Spirit says expressly, that in the last times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of the idol worshippers,
(1Ti 4:2) through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron.
(1Ti 4:3) Forbidding to marry, and to abstain from food- which God created to be received with thanksgiving by them that believe and know the truth. (ALL NEV)

These are the heartless/unchanged hearts, false believers that will continue to believe evil and then try to convince true believers for example that their salvation can be lost. These are the apostates, the slanderers of the elect. This evil spirit within these deceivers is the same anti-Christ spirit, and they started their work even before the flock was scatted in the 1st century.

These are the ones of this type spirit that forbade the marriage of teachers and then to eat different foods. Then they continued with many other falsehoods even saying your salvation can be lost and therefore one is always in need of ‘holy’ men that know God and they will ensure salvation is assured, maybe. Then later others came and kept some of these teachings such as the relative state of salvation.

The picture painted here is clear! Beware of men’s religions and teachings whether they are from your denomination or not. They maybe and most probably are tainted with evil demon talk and ideas. Pray and consult the word of God always.

Bless all,

APAK

 

[Taken]

"Defection" would be better than "divorce".

Strong's Concordance
apostasia: defection, revolt
Original Word: ἀποστασία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apostasia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-os-tas-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: defection, apostasy
Definition: defection, apostasy, revolt.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 646: ἀποστασία
ἀποστασία, ἀποστασιας, ἡ (ἀφισταμαι),a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion: Acts 21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; ((Joshua 22:22; 2 Chronicles 29:19; 2 Chronicles 33:19); Jeremiah 2:19;Jeremiah 36:[29] 32 Complutensian; 1 Macc. 2:15). The earlier Greeks say ἀπόστασις; see Lob. ad Phryn., p. 528; (Winer's Grammar, 24).

This "falling away" speaks of the departure from Bible truth and Gospel truth within Christendom, particularly as it applies to theological liberalism and the *Christian* cults (including the cult of Mary).

As to genuine Christians, they cannot and will not be *divorced* from Christ. However those who were never saved to begin with can go deeper and deeper into apostasy. Today homosexuals are being *ordained* as priests and clergy. That is one good example.

AGREE.

Many are "ENLIGHTENED";

hearing, learning, believing, questioning, doubting, denying, believing, wondering....

And YeS while those things are taking place,
THEY ARE GETTING A "TASTE" of "PARTAKING" in the effects of the Holy Spirit....."who IS giving them measures of FAITH".

It is NOT a submission of the MAN.
It is NOt a conversion by/through Christ.
IT IS the man being "ENLIGHTENED".
IT IS the man receiving measures of "FAITH".

And YES, these people CAN at anytime...
STOP....following, hearing, believing....
And they are called "FALLEN FROM FAITH".
They NO LONGER receive enlightenment or
Gods maeasure of Faith.
The Enlightenment, the Faith they had, they have rejected.

They have set themselves up to NOT RECEIVE Salvation....thus they are said to have LOST their salvation....BeCAUSE they have chosen to not AGREE to Receive it.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Nancy]

I just think that some day we should get past the Calvins and falling away threads and move on to something enlightening...
Like girls.....

 

[Nancy]

Yer such a goof! LOL!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Then, you'll have to show me where the Scriptures teach this.

In context - the Scriptures teach that salvation is a process. We are initially saved when we come to faith.
HOWEVER, because faith is a marriage of belief + obedience - that faith can either be strengthened - or LOST.

Our struggle with sin and our perseverance because of God's grace and our cooperation with that grace is the NEXT phase of our salvation.

Finally - because we have remained faithful to the end - or came to faith AT the end -= we are saved forever.

It's ALL due to God's grace - but is put into motion by our cooperation.

And again not one verse to back up anything.
what a habit you've made of this.
You want everyone to know that this is how you feel, not God.
You demand verses from everyone else but you never give them.
Double standard.
A double standard Christian.
We really don't need that, do we?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Yer such a goof! LOL!

I enjoy telling the truth with humor.
If Breadman had a sense of humor, he would have laughed at himself with that one instead of becoming angry.
Is that right?
No that's wrong.
"Instead of continuing to be angry".
There, that's better.

 

[Nancy]

I enjoy telling the truth with humor.
If Breadman had a sense of humor, he would have laughed at himself with that one instead of becoming angry.
Is that right?
No that's wrong.
"Instead of continuing to be angry".
There, that's better.

I do appreciate your humor Rollo,very much---I love to laugh and, there has not been much of that for me in so long...you are refreshing yet, I do also understand GG when she wants to be serious...♥

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I do appreciate your humor Rollo,very much---I love to laugh and, there has not been much of that for me in so long...you are refreshing yet, I do also understand GG when she wants to be serious...♥

GiGi?
That poor girl, she has dwtdcm - that's a rare disease that mountain girls get
poor girl......

 

[Nancy]

GiGi?
That poor girl, she has dwtdcm - that's a rare disease that mountain girls get
poor girl......

GG has Data Warehouse Data Mining??? Oh gosh...that will take gallons of Ciprofloxacin!!! I hope she has good strong veinage! We shall pray for our sister, and her full healing.

 

[Nancy]

GG has Data Warehouse Data Mining??? Oh gosh...that will take gallons of Ciprofloxacin!!! I hope she has good strong veinage! We shall pray for our sister, and her full healing.

...more likely-doesn't want to do 'something, something? Hmmm....I will figure this strange acronym out...

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

GG has Data Warehouse Data Mining??? Oh gosh...that will take gallons of Ciprofloxacin!!! I hope she has good strong veinage! We shall pray for our sister, and her full healing.

Her head is already starting to get smaller.
My cousin, Dr. Tamasi is a specialist in this area.
He'll be looking at her soon.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And again not one verse to back up anything.
what a habit you've made of this.
You want everyone to know that this is how you feel, not God.
You demand verses from everyone else but you never give them.
Double standard.
A double standard Christian.
We really don't need that, do we?

I've given TONS of Scriptural proof. Apparently, you haven't been R*E*A*D*I*N*G the posts.
Here is some of it . . .

The Scriptures assure us that we as Christians are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8)
This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to come to faith.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it ALSO says that I am BEING SAVED (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).
This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured to the end.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Utterly Pitiful!
All you can do is name call, attempt to disparage and make ungodly false accusations......

BOL, your hard-hearted rants Do not make you right, nor with your best attempts can you drag me out of the Lords Mighty Hand.

Quit pretending to be a sheep and go feast on a tin can.

WHERE in my last post did I call you a name??
Lying seems to be your only defense . . .

Anyway I can't pluck you out of His hand.
It seems to ME that YOU jumped out when you started rejecting HIS doctrines in favor of your own . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Point is:
Holy Spirit INDWELLING Is FOREVER.
God is God, Accept His Gift To Be in His Light, that you may be in his likeness.
LOL- that does not make a man God!
OSAS is precisely a man who has Accepted ONCE, and Forever, The Lords One Time Offering of Salvation.
Nonsense.
Oh BTW---Accepting is what man still in his Sin Does.
Oh BTW---You teach a man Must Continue "cooperating" i.e. Doing Works...to "keep" and "finish receiving his Salvation, which is false, for a Converted man.
What a hardened heart Goat you are!!

Look - we've been going at this for months now on several threads and you have YET to show me ANY Scriptural proof for OSAS.

I have given you no less than NINE verses that destroy the OSAS position. Actually - I've given you MORE than that - but I'll stick with these nine passages.

ALL you have shown me so far is anger, frustration, long-winded rants and a LOT of personal opinion.
Do you have ANY Scriptural proof in your OSAS arsenal or not??

 

[BreadOfLife]

BG
You just stated what saves us.
Our life is in the one Man.
Jesus said I Am the Life.
He Who Believes in Me....

Believes is always in the present tense.
If we stop believing how could we still be saved?
If we are not IN Christ, the life giver,,,how could we still be saved?

We CAN'T.

If we stop having faith which requires both belief AND obedience - we cannot be saved.
We will be LOST, according to Scripture (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

You cannot turn your back on your Epignosis of Christ and still hope to be saved.