can you tell me all the laws of old testament and new testament

[2nd Timothy Group]

Consider the plucking of the eye and the cutting off of the hand.

1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
1Co 12:15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
1Co 12:16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
1Co 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
1Co 12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?

What is he speaking of?

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

These are the false not the true.
We look upon the false because it's shiny and sparkly. (eye)
We listen to the false because it is soothing and easy to hear. (ear)
We do what brings false prosperity and false riches. (hand)
We walk their walk which leads into the ditch. (foot)

Because they have no faith.

Hugs

But Zigs! The plucking and lopping of body parts is about what causes a person to sin. It is the Heart that causes a person to sin because the Sinful Nature is associated with the Heart.

I think we're swinging in circles, here! :)

 

[Ziggy]

But Zigs! The plucking and lopping of body parts is about what causes a person to sin. It is the Heart that causes a person to sin because the Sinful Nature is associated with the Heart.

I think we're swinging in circles, here! :)

No we're not.

It is the whole picture.


Mat 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
Mat 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

This is talking both of the individual and the church as a whole.

But the "mystery" of the church had not yet been made known.

1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

I bet that word "world" would be an interesting study..
but all my shovels are full and I'm almost out of popcorn
oh no.. help

:)
Hugs

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Ok cat lover! The section of Matthew that your teaching begins and ends with being a stumbling block to children, thus leading them astray and away from the Truth of Christ. Jesus then states that to prevent sinning against those children (any child of God) to lop off the body part that seems to lead another astray. Context is everything.

 

[Ziggy]

Ok cat lover! The section of Matthew that your teaching begins and ends with being a stumbling block to children, thus leading them astray and away from the Truth of Christ. Jesus then states that to prevent sinning against those children (any child of God) to lop off the body part that seems to lead another astray. Context is everything.

It's like when Jesus was blasting the Sadducees and Pharisees and Scribes and Lawyers, calling them out, exposing them as the offenders for the Body's sake. The Body is Israel by Name. What walked among the body was nothing more than serpents and thieves.

watch the podiatrist shaving off the calluses..
plucking out the eyes and cutting off the feet...

Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

Luk 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.

Luk 11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

Luk 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Interesting... there are no Woe's to the Sadducees, however we are told to beware of their doctrines.
If you find one.. I may have missed it. But I don't see a woe to the Saducees..

But John blasted both:
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Thank You
Hugs

 

[Truther]

That works for me, but if I did that, I would run into grief from simple-minded people, so I work with all people from all translations. That's how I avoid legalistic thinking.

I would not let others dictate what I do. I teach others via the KJV and they eventually get one to keep up.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

I would not let others dictate what I do. I teach others via the KJV and they eventually get one to keep up.

Haha . . . I like that.

Think about this . . .though. My former wife was Japanese and English was a second language. There is just no way that it is reasonable to suggest (as a former Baptist "preacher") that if a person doesn't have the KJV, they'll never understand the Truth of God's Holy Word. I told him, to his face, that to expect her to understand Old English, let alone any English, is unfair. She struggled in our conversations mightily, and that was very problematic for our relationship. If I were to speak to her in KJV phrasings, our relationship wouldn't have ever gotten started.

I have found that all translations are offering the exact same teachings but with minor exceptions. Some translations include "this" and some exclude "that." Even translations are in conflict with themselves, such as the three gospels compared to the gospel that John wrote. There are clear errors that just don't make sense. Like Paul says, new moons and festivals, it's all just a bunch of garble that has nothing to do with the Work of Christ. This is why we don't see Paul spending much time speaking about the Tribulation. Instead, he spends his time dealing with the Gospel of Christ and the Mysterious Plan behind it. Why? Because if we don't understand the Gospel, which is the Plan and Work of Christ, Jesus may very likely say, "Get away from me, for I never knew you." That means that He hadn't lifted the Curse of the Sin Nature from their Hearts, and that means those people couldn't possibly be saved, for no "work" of man can self-justify.

Therefore, the Core message of the Bible remains intact, regardless of the translation. Even the Jewish Tanakh beautiful supports the Doctrine of Circumcision, and in fact, the way the Jews translate their own languages, who are masters (btw), translate the Old Testament properly where no "Christian" translator has or did. I trust those who know and speak the language from the vantage point of history, that they will do a better job than those who were not a part of that culture. The Tanakh, or the beautiful translation that I have, read much like the NLT and CSB. It is easy to read and flows like melted butter! It is awesome! In fact, I highly recommend that the next time you begin to read the entire Bible in a timeline, chronological fashion, begin your read with the Tanakh. You will love it!

Pease to you . . .

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

It's like when Jesus was blasting the Sadducees and Pharisees and Scribes and Lawyers, calling them out, exposing them as the offenders for the Body's sake. The Body is Israel by Name. What walked among the body was nothing more than serpents and thieves.

watch the podiatrist shaving off the calluses..
plucking out the eyes and cutting off the feet...

Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

Luk 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.

Luk 11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

Luk 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Interesting... there are no Woe's to the Sadducees, however we are told to beware of their doctrines.
If you find one.. I may have missed it. But I don't see a woe to the Saducees..

But John blasted both:
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Thank You
Hugs

Zigs . . . I don't think we're getting anywhere in our conversations. Well, I know that I'm not. We're just spinning in circles, and I can't do that.

 

[Ziggy]

Haha . . . I like that.

Think about this . . .though. My former wife was Japanese and English was a second language. There is just no way that it is reasonable to suggest (as a former Baptist "preacher") that if a person doesn't have the KJV, they'll never understand the Truth of God's Holy Word. I told him, to his face, that to expect her to understand Old English, let alone any English, is unfair. She struggled in our conversations mightily, and that was very problematic for our relationship. If I were to speak to her in KJV phrasings, our relationship wouldn't have ever gotten started.

I have found that all translations are offering the exact same teachings but with minor exceptions. Some translations include "this" and some exclude "that." Even translations are in conflict with themselves, such as the three gospels compared to the gospel that John wrote. There are clear errors that just don't make sense. Like Paul says, new moons and festivals, it's all just a bunch of garble that has nothing to do with the Work of Christ. This is why we don't see Paul spending much time speaking about the Tribulation. Instead, he spends his time dealing with the Gospel of Christ and the Mysterious Plan behind it. Why? Because if we don't understand the Gospel, which is the Plan and Work of Christ, Jesus may very likely say, "Get away from me, for I never knew you." That means that He hadn't lifted the Curse of the Sin Nature from their Hearts, and that means those people couldn't possibly be saved, for no "work" of man can self-justify.

Therefore, the Core message of the Bible remains intact, regardless of the translation. Even the Jewish Tanakh beautiful supports the Doctrine of Circumcision, and in fact, the way the Jews translate their own languages, who are masters (btw), translate the Old Testament properly where no "Christian" translator has or did. I trust those who know and speak the language from the vantage point of history, that they will do a better job than those who were not a part of that culture. The Tanakh, or the beautiful translation that I have, read much like the NLT and CSB. It is easy to read and flows like melted butter! It is awesome! In fact, I highly recommend that the next time you begin to read the entire Bible in a timeline, chronological fashion, begin your read with the Tanakh. You will love it!

Pease to you . . .

I often find myself refering to the NLT for an easier wording of a verse or even just a word.
If you don't understand what your reading how can you understand the meaning?

I had this situation in the boats of Chittim. I had to use a few different versions to fully comprehend the meaning.
I like my KJV but I am also thankful that others took the time to translate in not only versions.. but think about the many different languages.
Angels they are.. lot of time and effort (work) to bring the Gospel to the world.

Thank You
Hugs

 

[Guestman]

quote them here what you remember can you say me it

The Mosaic Law covenant consisted of more than 600 laws, including the priestly statutes. But what was the foundation upon which it rested ? Jesus answered that question by telling the Pharisees who asked what the greatest commandment was: "You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets".(Matt 22:34-40; Note: Jehovah is God's personal name)

Thus, loving Jehovah with all a person has and their neighbor as themselves is what underpins all of God's arrangements, including what is spoken of in the Christian Greek Scriptures, commonly, but inaccurately referred to as "the New Testament", for at Galatians 6:2, the apostle Paul wrote : "Go on carrying the burdens of one another (or show neighborly love), and in this way you will fulfill the law of the Christ".(this "law of the Christ" is seen at John 13:34, whereby Jesus says to his eleven faithful disciples, that includes all who are Christian: "I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another".)

The Mosaic Law established the need for a ransomer, exposing everyone who tried to keep the Law as sinners, and of which "blood of goats and of bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who have been defiled sanctifies for the cleansing of the flesh" only, for "the Law made nothing perfect".(Heb 7:19; 9:13; Note: the word sin is from the Hebrew word chattath [Greek hamartano] that means to "miss" or miss in measuring up fully to Jehovah's holy standards, see Lev 19:2)

In giving the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus further established that love for others must be an intrinsic part of us (which so many that profess Christianity fail in this regard, such as backing the political system [called the "wild beast" at Rev 13:1, 2] that is "owned and operated" by Satan the Devil that tears other apart, supporting or going off to war against other "Christians" and slaughtering them; see Jesus words at Luke 6:46 that says: "Why, then, do you call me ‘Lord ! Lord !’ but do not do the things I say ?").

At Matthew 5, Jesus says: "You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens.......For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have ? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing ? And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing ? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing ? You must accordingly be perfect (in love), as your heavenly Father is perfect (in love)".(Matt 5:43-48)

Hence, the apostle Paul wrote to the Roman Christians: "Do not owe anything to anyone except to love one another; for whoever loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law. For the law code, “You must not commit adultery, you must not murder, you must not steal, you must not covet,” and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this saying: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; therefore, love is the law’s fulfillment".(Rom 13:8-10)

So, by loving Jehovah God with all one's heart and their neighbor as themselves, a person fulfills all that Jehovah requires, which by the way, is far from what most who profess Christianity do, for Jesus said to the man who asked how many would be saved: "Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in (the door to life) but will not be able".(Luke 13:24)

The churches of Christendom "water down" what the Bible teaches, telling that all a person has to do is "believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved". But this does not "jive" with what Jesus said: "If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Really, what good will it do a man if he gains the whole world but loses his life ? Or what will a man give in exchange for his life ? For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior".(Matt 16:24-27)

 

[kcnalp]

Those who preach the Law of Moses avoid this like plague.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 (NKJV)
6 "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

 

[Ziggy]

Those who preach the Law of Moses avoid this like plague.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 (NKJV)
6 "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. ( your hand shall be first against him, to put him to death)
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. (and afterward the hand of all the people)

Grace and Mercy...
Same scenerio, different medicine.

If they had obeyed the commandment to not murder. Surely they should have considered or inquired why such a thing would be permissable to begin with.
They both have the same end result except one is physical is which the party that done wrong has nowhere to turn for repentence or forgiveness. He is dead, no reconciliation possible.
In the new.. there is always hope that one's brother will have a change of heart and seek forgiveness.

If they had had mercy and forgiveness.. they never would have become murderers.. using the commandments to justify their own
sin in their hearts, their own unwillingness to be merciful.

Was these laws put there to test or measure their ability to love?
Would God give conflicting commandments in the same breath?

Learn to do good and not evil. Choose you this day..
There are laws that state to love your neighbour standing side by side with those that say stone your neighbour.
What were the 2 mountains one for cursing had these tribes and the other for blessings had those tribes..

Deu 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

Deu 11:29 And it shall come to pass, when the LORD thy God hath brought thee in unto the land whither thou goest to possess it, that thou shalt put the blessing upon mount Gerizim, and the curse upon mount Ebal.

Ebal = "stone" or "bare mountain"

Mat 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

 

[Truther]

Haha . . . I like that.

Think about this . . .though. My former wife was Japanese and English was a second language. There is just no way that it is reasonable to suggest (as a former Baptist "preacher") that if a person doesn't have the KJV, they'll never understand the Truth of God's Holy Word. I told him, to his face, that to expect her to understand Old English, let alone any English, is unfair. She struggled in our conversations mightily, and that was very problematic for our relationship. If I were to speak to her in KJV phrasings, our relationship wouldn't have ever gotten started.

I have found that all translations are offering the exact same teachings but with minor exceptions. Some translations include "this" and some exclude "that." Even translations are in conflict with themselves, such as the three gospels compared to the gospel that John wrote. There are clear errors that just don't make sense. Like Paul says, new moons and festivals, it's all just a bunch of garble that has nothing to do with the Work of Christ. This is why we don't see Paul spending much time speaking about the Tribulation. Instead, he spends his time dealing with the Gospel of Christ and the Mysterious Plan behind it. Why? Because if we don't understand the Gospel, which is the Plan and Work of Christ, Jesus may very likely say, "Get away from me, for I never knew you." That means that He hadn't lifted the Curse of the Sin Nature from their Hearts, and that means those people couldn't possibly be saved, for no "work" of man can self-justify.

Therefore, the Core message of the Bible remains intact, regardless of the translation. Even the Jewish Tanakh beautiful supports the Doctrine of Circumcision, and in fact, the way the Jews translate their own languages, who are masters (btw), translate the Old Testament properly where no "Christian" translator has or did. I trust those who know and speak the language from the vantage point of history, that they will do a better job than those who were not a part of that culture. The Tanakh, or the beautiful translation that I have, read much like the NLT and CSB. It is easy to read and flows like melted butter! It is awesome! In fact, I highly recommend that the next time you begin to read the entire Bible in a timeline, chronological fashion, begin your read with the Tanakh. You will love it!

Pease to you . . .

Thanks.

I am saying the standard(plumbline) for all translations of foreign languages is the KJV. If someone cannot read it, they need a language translation that closest resembles it's English meanings.

The modern translations are a free for all of different meanings, all competing for the top spot.

 

[Ziggy]

I just seen this...

Deu 12:10 But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
Deu 12:11 Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
Deu 12:12 And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your menservants, and your maidservants, and the Levite that is within your gates; forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you.

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Jhn 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

The law was received under the Levitical priesthood.... under the law...

just thinking..

I never spent much time in the Levitical laws... too much bloodshed..
hmm

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Thanks.

I am saying the standard(plumbline) for all translations of foreign languages is the KJV. If someone cannot read it, they need a language translation that closest resembles it's English meanings.

The modern translations are a free for all of different meanings, all competing for the top spot.

I'm sorry to see that you feel this way. Within my intense studies, I find that the Core Message remains the same. The details of minutia may differ, but the Core of the Gospel does not change. All translations, that I have put my hands upon, are beautiful. And if these translations are no good, how much "less good" is our discussion? And if these translations are no good, then perhaps we shouldn't write about the Word of God at all. We should all stop writing books, papers, and even teaching.

 

[Truther]

I'm sorry to see that you feel this way. Within my intense studies, I find that the Core Message remains the same. The details of minutia may differ, but the Core of the Gospel does not change. All translations, that I have put my hands upon, are beautiful. And if these translations are no good, how much "less good" is our discussion? And if these translations are no good, then perhaps we shouldn't write about the Word of God at all. We should all stop writing books, papers, and even teaching.

Now you see what I think these days.

All we need is to read the KJV to ourselves and each other without going bonkers with extra Biblical explanations.

This would then create a 1st century doctrine with Acts 2 rising to the surface for everyone.

We would all find ourselves in the unity of the faith WITH the 1st century Acts church(and each other by default).

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Now you see what I think these days.

All we need is to read the KJV to ourselves and each other without going bonkers with extra Biblical explanations.

This would then create a 1st century doctrine with Acts 2 rising to the surface for everyone.

We would all find ourselves in the unity of the faith WITH the 1st century Acts church(and each other by default).

I hear you. I guess that all I have left to say is . . . that if it weren't for the NLT, I would have never discovered the Truth within the KJV. That's my experience and I'm most thankful and grateful. Without it, I would have never discovered the core of the entire Bible . . .

Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - 9 For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.

 

[Truther]

I hear you. I guess that all I have left to say is . . . that if it weren't for the NLT, I would have never discovered the Truth within the KJV. That's my experience and I'm most thankful and grateful. Without it, I would have never discovered the core of the entire Bible . . .

Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - 9 For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.

The book of Mormon leads people towards Christ, but that does not justify it's use.

This is a stepping stone process to arrive at the total truth.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

The book of Mormon leads people towards Christ, but that does not justify it's use.

This is a stepping stone process to arrive at the total truth.

Ok

 

[kcnalp]

I'm sorry to see that you feel this way. Within my intense studies, I find that the Core Message remains the same. The details of minutia may differ, but the Core of the Gospel does not change. All translations, that I have put my hands upon, are beautiful. And if these translations are no good, how much "less good" is our discussion? And if these translations are no good, then perhaps we shouldn't write about the Word of God at all. We should all stop writing books, papers, and even teaching.

I agree. The KJV fanatics have no basis whatsoever for their bias. I have 38 English translations.

 

[Ziggy]

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,)

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The laws of the Levitical Priesthood are Gone. That is what was removed.


1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Love God, Love your neighbour.
Fulfills the Law.
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