Carnal Christians Are Saved Believers

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ScottA

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Not sure how to correct a church when they do not want to hear it other than to withdraw.
Unfortunately for those churches, by that same measure that they measure, they have limited the terms regarding themselves. :(

But as you have said, though they may withdraw, God has not, nor has He left them without.

Praise God!
 

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The unbelievers are condemned already.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The saved believer will be judged by what they built on that foundation and any works of the flesh be on it that defiles the temple of God, if they do not look to Him for help in departing from iniquity, then by that iniquity that denies Him, He will deny them, but he will finish His work in those left behind in burning off of that foundation all that offends so they will be partakers of His holiness, their physical bodies destroyed but their spirits is with the Lord still.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

This unrepentant church will be judged by their works with death when cast, as in left behind, into the coming great tribulation.


Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.


24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

In spite of being denied by Him to attend the marriage Supper in Heaven, He still abides for why their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven after they die when left behind.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.


So let that terror be on the conscience of saved believers that they best look to Jesus Christ for help in laying aside every weight &sin daily thus walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son in abiding in Him & His words to be ready to go and willing to go when He comes as the Bridegroom or else be left behind as saved, but denied being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection for not being ready at the rapture event.


The same way that believers are saved Chris. Neither are saved or condemned at this time. The preaching work is still going on, and it is not being done to gather the believers, rather the unbelievers. You will know beyond a reasonable doubt when Mat 24:14 is fulfilled.
 

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The same way that believers are saved Chris. Neither are saved or condemned at this time.

Scripture below disagrees with you, Robert.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus is telling the truth about the difference between the two.

The preaching work is still going on, and it is not being done to gather the believers, rather the unbelievers. You will know beyond a reasonable doubt when Mat 24:14 is fulfilled.

Those who have believed the preaching of the cross like Paul and other believers have done, are saved, Robert.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Thank you for your reply.
 

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Scripture below disagrees with you, Robert.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus is telling the truth about the difference between the two.



Those who have believed the preaching of the cross like Paul and other believers have done, are saved, Robert.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Thank you for your reply.

The Bible does not contradict itself Chris, the anointed gain life upon death at this time, the remainder of Christians will come to life when the pass the test at the end of the millennial reign of Christ. The point of the verses you posted concerning salvation is that some will be saved.
 

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The Bible does not contradict itself Chris, the anointed gain life upon death at this time, the remainder of Christians will come to life when the pass the test at the end of the millennial reign of Christ. The point of the verses you posted concerning salvation is that some will be saved.

If you are referring to when our redemption draws near, that does not negate that we are saved now whereby we can call God Father now.

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Ephsians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Yes, we are waiting for when He comes to receive us and made us perfect by Him, but we ae saved now so we can tell others the Good News.