Christ as the firstborn

[Insight]

Sorry Vengle its 12:20am and I must head for bed.

I feel my posts are going wayward :)

Goodnight

God willing we shall sharpen one another tomorrow and hopefully the day star will rise in the morning, toward the east, if not in our hearts.

Insight

 

[Vengle]

good night :)

I see that we have some handicap in that I tend to type and post a piece at a time. I guess i am trying to use this like as a chat and it does not work so well that way.

We then end up commenting before we have received the complete thought from each other.

that is why i brought the idea up concerning the flag we could manually raise and lower signally a halt or a go-ahead to each other.

Oh well. :lol:

 

[Nomad]

I really hate to interrupt this little love-fest, but I'm going to continue with my Jesus is Yahweh daily devotional.

Isa 40:3 A voice cries: "In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

This prophesy says very clearly that Yahweh was that one coming. All four Gospels apply it to the coming of Jesus.

Mat 3:1 In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea,
Mat 3:2 "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Mat 3:3 For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah when he said, "The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the Lord; make his paths straight.'"

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Mar 1:2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, "Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way,
Mar 1:3 the voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight,'"

Luk 3:2 . . .during the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John the son of Zechariah in the wilderness.
Luk 3:3 And he went into all the region around the Jordan, proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Luk 3:4 As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, "The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Joh 1:19 And this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?"
Joh 1:20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the Christ."
Joh 1:21 And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No."
Joh 1:22 So they said to him, "Who are you? We need to give an answer to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?"
Joh 1:23 He said, "I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, 'Make straight the way of the Lord,' as the prophet Isaiah said."

 

[Vengle]

I really hate to interrupt this little love-fest, but I'm going to continue with my Jesus is Yahweh daily devotional.

Isa 40:3 A voice cries: "In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

This prophesy says very clearly that Yahweh was that one coming. All four Gospels apply it to the coming of Jesus.

You are mixing scripture up with regard to the prophet greater than Moses. I won't go into that here but will discuss that later if you desire to.

For now I want to comment on you interpretation of Isaiah 40:3

You said, "This prophesy says very clearly that Yahweh was that one coming."

Actually it says that "the way of the LORD" was what was coming.

And Jesus himself said, John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Keep coming back. You just might finally grasp hold of truth.

 

[Vengle]

In so far as the prophet greater than Moses i will give you a bone to gnaw on until I get around to posting more detail for you.

John the baptizer corresponds to Aaron but it is definitely Jesus that is the prophet greater than Moses.

I will not leave you hang forever. :)

 

[Vengle]

Just another little point ahead of time for you to ponder.

What was Moses main functions with regard to Israel?

He led the captives out of Egypt to freedom.

Jesus led the captives on high to freedom.

Moses interceded to plead with God for mercy upon Israel in their waywardness.

Jesus intercedes for us with God for our sins.

One little spoonful at a time you will understand.

Even the way in which the temple was set up shows this. Moses was the only one allowed to approach God. In the temple the high priest was the only one allowed to approach God. And we know beyond a doubt that the high priest is Jesus.

Remember back around (before and after) my post #187 how I related Revelation 22:9 to Jesus?

You can do that yourself if you are willing to just be honest about what you read.

Revelation 22:9 "Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."

But do not think we are nearly done with all of the evidence, for there is much more.

 

[Nomad]

Actually it says that "the way of the LORD" was what was coming.

And Jesus himself said, John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Actually it says no such thing. Look again.

Isa 40:3 A voice cries: "In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

The first part of the verse says, "prepare the way of the LORD." So are we to believe that John was saying "prepare Jesus?" That is sheer and utter nonsense. If that were not enough, the second half of the verse is parallel in meaning to the first half.

"make straight in the desert a highway for our God."

The "way" of the LORD and the "highway" of our God are one and the same. They refer to the "path" of Yahweh. The absurdity that you attempted to create here only serves to demonstrate that you're not interested in what the text actually says, just how to get around it. That wasn't even close to a plausible "interpretation" Vengle.

 

[Vengle]

Actually it says no such thing. Look again.

Isa 40:3 A voice cries: "In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

The first part of the verse says, "prepare the way of the LORD." So are we to believe that John was saying "prepare Jesus?" That is sheer and utter nonsense. If that were not enough, the second half of the verse is parallel in meaning to the first half.

"make straight in the desert a highway for our God."

The "way" of the LORD and the "highway" of our God are one and the same. They refer to the "path" of Yahweh. The absurdity that you attempted to create here only serves to demonstrate that you're not interested in what the text actually says, just how to get around it. That wasn't even close to a plausible "interpretation" Vengle.

My ,my, such arrogance.

What is the way that we are to prepare in our self?

It is the way that Jesus shows us.

That is just too simple for you to understand.

If you take on Christ and become Christ like, what are you doing?

if Christ is not that highway to the LORD you tell me what is?

 

[Insight]

Vengle

This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. (Acts 18:25-26)

If one desires to give daily devotions one should read with more care.

"THE WAY OF WISDOM" (Prov 4:11):
"the Way" ( Acts 9:2; 19:9; 22:4; 24:22)
"the Way to be saved" (Acts 16:17),
"the Way of the Lord" (Acts 18:25),
"the Way to the tree of life" (Gen 3:24; cf Joh 14:5,6).
"Way" is called the "Way of WISDOM".
One true "Wisdom", and that is the "Word" of God, and there is one true "Word", and that is Christ
"the Word made flesh" (John 1:14).
And so the "Way of Wisdom" is, simply put,
The "Way of Christ".

Nomads devotions a full of special pleading and if offered with the greatest of sincerity they would still be s stench in His nostrils.

As a side note - Can you recall how many voice's are in Isa 40? :)

He had been instructed in the way of the Lord. And being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John.

 

[Vengle]

Vengle

This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. (Acts 18:25-26)

If one desires to give daily devotions one should read with more care.

"THE WAY OF WISDOM" (Prov 4:11):
"the Way" ( Acts 9:2; 19:9; 22:4; 24:22)
"the Way to be saved" (Acts 16:17),
"the Way of the Lord" (Acts 18:25),
"the Way to the tree of life" (Gen 3:24; cf Joh 14:5,6).
"Way" is called the "Way of WISDOM".
One true "Wisdom", and that is the "Word" of God, and there is one true "Word", and that is Christ
"the Word made flesh" (John 1:14).
And so the "Way of Wisdom" is, simply put,
The "Way of Christ".

Nomads devotions a full of special pleading and if offered with the greatest of sincerity they would still be s stench in His nostrils.

As a side note - Can you recall how many voice's are in Isa 40? :)

He had been instructed in the way of the Lord. And being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John.

Excellent scriptures pertaining to this.

Just the voice of the Lord actually, isn't it, It calling through his holy spirit?

Kind of like an announcement that he was sending His way into the world?

I had more to comment on that highway to holiness and how no ravenous beast would be there and how this all relates to how we see Paul labor to keep the body of Christ free from contamination by the fleshly carnal things of men. but i do not want to get ahead of you as i often did yesterday.

 

[Insight]

Excellent scriptures pertaining to this.

Just the voice of the Lord actually, isn't it, It calling through his holy spirit?

Kind of like an announcement that he was sending His way into the world?

And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth (single mouth!) of the LORD hath spoken (voice 1) it. The voice said (voice 1) , Cry. And he said (voice 2) , What shall I cry?

Voice 1 cry's!

All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: (Isaiah 40:5-6)

Who is voice 2?

It is prophetic remember.

 

[Insight]

Voice 2 cannot be God, Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ as he did not know what to CRY!

So who?

 

[Vengle]

And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth (single mouth!) of the LORD hath spoken (voice 1) it. The voice said (voice 1) , Cry. And he said (voice 2) , What shall I cry?

Voice 1 cry's!

All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: (Isaiah 40:5-6)

Who is voice 2?

It is prophetic remember.

In verse 3 the medium for God's spirit is John the Baptist.

In verse 5 we see the glory of the LORD is to be revealed.

In verse 6 we begin to hear one speaking as though David

Of course this is really all the voice of God calling through the holy spirit.

So we find Christ saying, John 12:50 "And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

John 12:49 "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."

I need to adjust that a little.

We know the one speaking the words as David is Christ and we see him making certain that all he speaks is what his Father wants him to speak. (as John 12:49-50 shows also)

Jesus there sets a fine example for us.

The result of which is: 4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

OK :) I'm done typing for now for this one comment.

 

[Insight]

The voice (voice 2) crying “In the wilderness” (Luke 3:2,3,4,5,6) the context is Isa 40:5,6

Here John the Baptist could speak (voice 1) to the people’s hearts Isa 40:1-3, Hos 2:14

Note the character of his message “The royal majesty of the heavens has approached” Matt 3:2

Look at the announcer! Matt 3:4 cp Heb 11:37

John the Baptist became the vehicle for voice 1.


“The voice” – Empty of self, he becomes the vehicle for “the voice”. Nb, his insistence on his
nothingness

John 1:22 “What sayest thou of thyself”. His answer – just a “voice” John1:19,20,21. But what a voice!! Read Psa 29

 

[Nomad]

I feel like I'm in a really bad episode of The Twilight Zone. Come on guys, are you serious???

 

[Vengle]

The voice (voice 2) crying “In the wilderness” (Luke 3:2,3,4,5,6) the context is Isa 40:5,6

Here John the Baptist could speak (voice 1) to the people’s hearts Isa 40:1-3, Hos 2:14

Note the character of his message “The royal majesty of the heavens has approached” Matt 3:2

Look at the announcer! Matt 3:4 cp Heb 11:37

John the Baptist became the vehicle for voice 1.


“The voice” – Empty of self, he becomes the vehicle for “the voice”. Nb, his insistence on his
nothingness

John 1:22 “What sayest thou of thyself”. His answer – just a “voice” John1:19,20,21. But what a voice!! Read Psa 29

Yes and the way in Jesus means that peace unto us.

The voice through John is calling them to gather to the entry way to the highway of holiness that is in Jesus.

OK. waiting. This thing is not showing new posts unless I leave the thread and re-enter it.

I feel like I'm in a really bad episode of The Twilight Zone. Come on guys, are you serious???

You might have something there! I think Insight just vanished!

Where are you Insight?

 

[Insight]

Sorry off to my daughters birthday

 

[Vengle]

God bless. Enjoy.

I see it took me three minutes to even realize to leave the thread and return so i could see that you had posted.

I had done so half a dozen times before that. :lol:

What a nuisance having to do that.

probably because i always run my security setting so high.

 

[Nomad]

When it comes to Biblical exegesis, have either one of you ever heard of the word "context?"

 

[Vengle]

When it comes to Biblical exegesis, have either one of you ever heard of the word "context?"

Thank you.

I will keep that in mind. :)

I was just getting ready to elaborate a bit further (if you are interested) while the board lay quiet.

So far I have deliberately only touched upon little things surrounding the context.