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BARNEY BRIGHT
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Christ is God
I disagree that Christ is God. All those who believe the doctrine that Jesus is God are disbelieving that it was the Only Begotten Son of God that the True God sent to mankind as a ransom sacrifice.
Christ isn't God, John 17:3 shows us that Jesus isn't God but the one who sent him is the Only True God. The scriptures show us that the person who's name is YHWH is the creator and source of all life is the Only True God. John 20:17 shows us that Jesus has a Father and God who is also Jesus Apostles and disciples Father and God. 1John 4:9 shows us that even before the Only Begotten Son of God became human this Scripture states that he is said to be the Only Begotten Son of God. So Jesus didn't become the Only Begotten Son of God when he became human but when the Only Begotten Son of God was in heaven with his Father before becoming human he is stated to be the Only Begotten Son of God. So when John 1:14 states that the Word became flesh(human) it was the Only Begotten Son of God who is the Word who became flesh(human).
John 3:16 has always taught that those who get eternal life are those that believe that YHWH God gave his Only Begotten Son, so that all who exercise faith in him won't be destroyed but instead would get everlasting life.
All who don't exercise faith that God sent his Only Begotten Son to the world of mankind as a ransom sacrifice will not get eternal life.
I disagree that Christ is God. All those who believe the doctrine that Jesus is God are disbelieving that it was the Only Begotten Son of God that the True God sent to mankind as a ransom sacrifice.
Christ isn't God, John 17:3 shows us that Jesus isn't God but the one who sent him is the Only True God. The scriptures show us that the person who's name is YHWH is the creator and source of all life is the Only True God. John 20:17 shows us that Jesus has a Father and God who is also Jesus Apostles and disciples Father and God. 1John 4:9 shows us that even before the Only Begotten Son of God became human this Scripture states that he is said to be the Only Begotten Son of God. So Jesus didn't become the Only Begotten Son of God when he became human but when the Only Begotten Son of God was in heaven with his Father before becoming human he is stated to be the Only Begotten Son of God. So when John 1:14 states that the Word became flesh(human) it was the Only Begotten Son of God who is the Word who became flesh(human).
John 3:16 has always taught that those who get eternal life are those that believe that YHWH God gave his Only Begotten Son, so that all who exercise faith in him won't be destroyed but instead would get everlasting life.
All who don't exercise faith that God sent his Only Begotten Son to the world of mankind as a ransom sacrifice will not get eternal life.
Robert Gwin
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Transliteration: christos
- Phonetic: khris-tos’
- Definition: christ = anointed
1. christ was the messiah, the son of God
2. anointed
- Origin: from G5548 see G3323 messias and H4899 messiah
- TDNT entry: 17:13,1
- Part(s) of speech: Adjective
- Strong’s: From G5548; anointed that is the messiah an epithet of Jesus: - christ.
Total KJV Occurrences: 557
• again, 1
Rom_10:7
• by, 1
Eph_2:5
• christ, 546
Mat_1:1; Mat_1:16; Mat_1:17; Mat_1:18; Mat_2:4; Mat_11:2; Mat_16:16; Mat_16:20; Mat_26:63; Mat_26:68; Mat_27:17; Mat_27:22; Mar_1:1; Mar_8:29; Mar_14:61; Mar_15:32; Luk_2:11; Luk_2:26; Luk_4:41(2); Luk_9:20; Luk_22:67; Luk_23:2; Luk_23:35; Luk_23:39; Joh_1:17; Joh_1:20; Joh_1:25; Joh_1:41; Joh_3:28; Joh_4:25; Joh_4:29; Joh_4:42; Joh_6:69; Joh_7:26; Joh_7:27; Joh_7:31; Joh_7:41(2); Joh_7:42; Joh_9:22; Joh_10:24; Joh_11:27; Joh_12:34; Joh_20:31; Act_2:30; Act_2:31; Act_2:36; Act_2:38; Act_3:6; Act_3:18; Act_3:20; Act_4:10; Act_4:26; Act_5:42; Act_8:5; Act_8:12; Act_8:37; Act_9:20; Act_9:22; Act_9:34; Act_10:36; Act_11:17; Act_15:11; Act_15:26; Act_16:18; Act_16:31; Act_17:3(2); Act_18:5; Act_18:28; Act_19:4; Act_20:21; Act_24:24; Act_26:23; Act_28:31; Rom_1:1; Rom_1:3; Rom_1:6; Rom_1:7; Rom_1:8; Rom_1:16; Rom_2:16; Rom_3:22; Rom_3:24; Rom_5:1; Rom_5:6; Rom_5:8; Rom_5:11; Rom_5:15; Rom_5:17; Rom_5:21; Rom_6:3; Rom_6:4; Rom_6:8; Rom_6:9; Rom_6:11; Rom_6:23; Rom_7:4; Rom_7:25; Rom_8:1; Rom_8:2; Rom_8:9; Rom_8:10; Rom_8:11; Rom_8:17; Rom_8:34; Rom_8:35; Rom_8:39; Rom_9:1; Rom_9:3; Rom_9:5; Rom_10:4; Rom_12:5; Rom_13:14; Rom_14:9; Rom_14:10; Rom_14:15; Rom_14:18; Rom_15:3; Rom_15:5; Rom_15:6; Rom_15:7; Rom_15:8; Rom_15:16; Rom_15:17; Rom_15:18; Rom_15:19; Rom_15:20; Rom_15:29; Rom_16:3; Rom_16:5; Rom_16:7; Rom_16:9; Rom_16:10; Rom_16:16; Rom_16:18; Rom_16:20; Rom_16:24; Rom_16:25; Rom_16:27; 1Co_1:1; 1Co_1:2(2); 1Co_1:3; 1Co_1:4; 1Co_1:6; 1Co_1:7; 1Co_1:8; 1Co_1:9; 1Co_1:10; 1Co_1:12; 1Co_1:13; 1Co_1:17(2); 1Co_1:23; 1Co_1:24; 1Co_1:30; 1Co_2:2; 1Co_2:16; 1Co_3:1; 1Co_3:11; 1Co_3:23(2); 1Co_4:1; 1Co_4:10; 1Co_4:15(2); 1Co_4:17; 1Co_5:4(2); 1Co_5:7; 1Co_6:15(2); 1Co_7:22; 1Co_8:6; 1Co_8:11; 1Co_8:12; 1Co_9:1; 1Co_9:12; 1Co_9:18; 1Co_9:21; 1Co_10:4; 1Co_10:9; 1Co_10:16(2); 1Co_11:1; 1Co_11:3(2); 1Co_12:12; 1Co_12:27; 1Co_15:3; 1Co_15:12; 1Co_15:13; 1Co_15:14; 1Co_15:15; 1Co_15:16; 1Co_15:17; 1Co_15:18; 1Co_15:19; 1Co_15:20; 1Co_15:22; 1Co_15:23(2); 1Co_15:31; 1Co_15:57; 1Co_16:22; 1Co_16:23; 1Co_16:24; 2Co_1:1; 2Co_1:2; 2Co_1:3; 2Co_1:5(2); 2Co_1:19; 2Co_1:21; 2Co_2:10; 2Co_2:12; 2Co_2:14; 2Co_2:15; 2Co_2:17; 2Co_3:3; 2Co_3:4; 2Co_3:14; 2Co_4:4; 2Co_4:5; 2Co_4:6; 2Co_5:10; 2Co_5:14; 2Co_5:16; 2Co_5:17; 2Co_5:18; 2Co_5:19; 2Co_5:20; 2Co_6:15; 2Co_8:9; 2Co_8:23; 2Co_9:13; 2Co_10:1; 2Co_10:5; 2Co_10:7(3); 2Co_10:14; 2Co_11:2; 2Co_11:3; 2Co_11:10; 2Co_11:13; 2Co_11:31; 2Co_12:2; 2Co_12:9; 2Co_12:19; 2Co_13:3; 2Co_13:5; 2Co_13:14; Gal_1:1; Gal_1:3; Gal_1:6; Gal_1:7; Gal_1:10; Gal_1:12; Gal_1:22; Gal_2:4; Gal_2:16(3); Gal_2:17(2); Gal_2:20(2); Gal_2:21; Gal_3:1; Gal_3:13; Gal_3:14; Gal_3:16; Gal_3:17; Gal_3:22; Gal_3:24; Gal_3:26; Gal_3:27(2); Gal_3:28; Gal_3:29; Gal_4:7; Gal_4:14; Gal_5:1; Gal_5:2; Gal_5:4; Gal_5:6; Gal_5:24; Gal_6:2; Gal_6:12; Gal_6:14; Gal_6:15; Gal_6:18; Eph_1:1(2); Eph_1:2; Eph_1:3(2); Eph_1:5; Eph_1:10; Eph_1:12; Eph_1:17; Eph_1:20; Eph_2:6; Eph_2:7; Eph_2:10; Eph_2:12; Eph_2:13(2); Eph_2:20; Eph_3:1; Eph_3:4; Eph_3:6; Eph_3:8; Eph_3:9; Eph_3:11; Eph_3:14; Eph_3:17; Eph_3:19; Eph_3:21; Eph_4:7; Eph_4:12; Eph_4:13; Eph_4:15; Eph_4:20; Eph_5:2; Eph_5:5; Eph_5:14; Eph_5:20; Eph_5:23; Eph_5:24; Eph_5:25; Eph_5:32; Eph_6:5; Eph_6:6; Eph_6:23; Eph_6:24; Php_1:1(2); Php_1:2; Php_1:6; Php_1:8; Php_1:10; Php_1:11; Php_1:13; Php_1:15; Php_1:16; Php_1:18; Php_1:19; Php_1:20; Php_1:21; Php_1:23; Php_1:26; Php_1:27; Php_1:29; Php_2:1; Php_2:5; Php_2:11; Php_2:16; Php_2:21; Php_2:30; Php_3:3; Php_3:7; Php_3:8(2); Php_3:9; Php_3:12; Php_3:14; Php_3:18; Php_3:20; Php_4:7; Php_4:13; Php_4:19; Php_4:21; Php_4:23; Col_1:1; Col_1:2(2); Col_1:3; Col_1:4; Col_1:7; Col_1:24; Col_1:27; Col_1:28; Col_2:2; Col_2:5; Col_2:6; Col_2:8; Col_2:11; Col_2:17; Col_2:20; Col_3:1(2); Col_3:3; Col_3:4; Col_3:11; Col_3:13; Col_3:16; Col_3:24; Col_4:3; Col_4:12; 1Th_1:1(2); 1Th_1:3; 1Th_2:6; 1Th_2:14; 1Th_2:19; 1Th_3:2; 1Th_3:11; 1Th_3:13; 1Th_4:16; 1Th_5:9; 1Th_5:18; 1Th_5:23; 1Th_5:28; 2Th_1:1; 2Th_1:2; 2Th_1:8; 2Th_1:12(2); 2Th_2:1; 2Th_2:2; 2Th_2:14; 2Th_2:16;
My apology for the scripture references, but then, no, I am not sorry.
You sit with a problem then...
“Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, and the story of His life, death, and resurrection is the only Good News the world will ever hear.” Billy Graham
“Either Jesus is the Son of God ; or a madman or worse. But His being just a great teacher? He’s not left that open to us.” C.S. Lewis
“The deity of Christ is the key doctrine of the scriptures. Reject it, and the Bible becomes a jumble of words without any unifying theme. Accept it, and the Bible becomes an intelligible and ordered revelation of God in the person of Jesus Christ.” J. Oswald Sanders
“Only by being both deity and humanity could Jesus Christ bridge the gap between where God is.” — David Jeremiah
“To see what God is like, we must look at Jesus. He perfectly represents God to men in a form which they can see and know and understand.” — William Barclay
“Touching His human nature, Jesus is no longer present with us. Touching his Divine nature, He is never absent from us.” — R.C. Sproul
“God’s nature is revealed most perfectly in the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, as recorded in the New Testament of the Bible, who was sent by God to reveal the divine nature, summarized in ‘God is Love.’” — George F. R. Ellis
What does the Bible say about Jesus being God?
1. John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.”
2. Philippians 2:5-6 “You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.”
3. John 17:21 “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
4. John 1:18 “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.“
5. Colossians 2:9-10 “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.“
Jesus claimed to be God verses
6. John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.“
7. John 5:18 “This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.“
Jesus is the Word verses
8. John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.“
9. John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.“
Jesus Christ is the only way into Heaven.
10. 1 John 5:20 “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.“
11. Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
I am He
12. John 8:57-58 “The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”
13. John 8:22-24 “This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?” But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
14. John 13:18-19 “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’ “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.
First and Last: There’s only one God
15. Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”
16. 1 Corinthians 8:6 “Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”
17. Revelation 2:8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.“
18. Revelation 1:17-18 “When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.“
Only God can be worshiped. Jesus was worshiped.
19. Matthew 2:1-2 “After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”
20. Matthew 28:8-9 “So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.“
Jesus is prayed to revealing that He is God
21. Acts 7:59-60 “And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.“
The Trinity: Is Jesus God?
22. Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
23. 2 Corinthians 13:14 “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”
Biblical examples
24. John 20:27-28 “Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
25. 2 Peter 1:1 “Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.“
BARNEY BRIGHT
Well-Known Member
You sit with a problem then...
“Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, and the story of His life, death, and resurrection is the only Good News the world will ever hear.” Billy Graham
“Either Jesus is the Son of God ; or a madman or worse. But His being just a great teacher? He’s not left that open to us.” C.S. Lewis
“The deity of Christ is the key doctrine of the scriptures. Reject it, and the Bible becomes a jumble of words without any unifying theme. Accept it, and the Bible becomes an intelligible and ordered revelation of God in the person of Jesus Christ.” J. Oswald Sanders
“Only by being both deity and humanity could Jesus Christ bridge the gap between where God is.” — David Jeremiah
“To see what God is like, we must look at Jesus. He perfectly represents God to men in a form which they can see and know and understand.” — William Barclay
“Touching His human nature, Jesus is no longer present with us. Touching his Divine nature, He is never absent from us.” — R.C. Sproul
“God’s nature is revealed most perfectly in the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, as recorded in the New Testament of the Bible, who was sent by God to reveal the divine nature, summarized in ‘God is Love.’” — George F. R. Ellis
What does the Bible say about Jesus being God?
1. John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.”
2. Philippians 2:5-6 “You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.”
3. John 17:21 “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
4. John 1:18 “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.“
5. Colossians 2:9-10 “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.“
Jesus claimed to be God verses
6. John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.“
7. John 5:18 “This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.“
Jesus is the Word verses
8. John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.“
9. John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.“
Jesus Christ is the only way into Heaven.
10. 1 John 5:20 “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.“
11. Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
I am He
12. John 8:57-58 “The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”
13. John 8:22-24 “This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?” But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
14. John 13:18-19 “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’ “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.
First and Last: There’s only one God
15. Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”
16. 1 Corinthians 8:6 “Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”
17. Revelation 2:8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.“
18. Revelation 1:17-18 “When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.“
Only God can be worshiped. Jesus was worshiped.
19. Matthew 2:1-2 “After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”
20. Matthew 28:8-9 “So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.“
Jesus is prayed to revealing that He is God
21. Acts 7:59-60 “And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.“
The Trinity: Is Jesus God?
22. Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
23. 2 Corinthians 13:14 “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”
Biblical examples
24. John 20:27-28 “Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
25. 2 Peter 1:1 “Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.“
I've heard all these you texted before. All those who texted these before I've continued to say and say to you that you're denying it was the only begotten Son of God who came in the flesh/became human. God didn't send himself he sent his Only Begotten Son just as the scriptures say he did. You want to deny that as many others do, so be it, that's your choice.
Robert Gwin
Well-Known Member
They weren't necessary Joe, you hit it perfectly. Jesus was the Christ, which means anointed. Who anointed him sir?
Heb_1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Act_10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Isa_61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;...
So Jesus is NOT God?...as to the monogenes...you think Mashiach had a "beginning?"
BARNEY BRIGHT
Well-Known Member
Mashiach means Christ the Lord or YHWH Christ. Peter explains that God had made Jesus “both Lord and Christ.” (Acts 2:36) So since the scriptures show us that God is YHWH and he is the person who made Jesus both Lord and Christ and since Acts 2:36 is what God inspired men to write down that it was God who made Jesus Lord and Christ, that's what I'm going to believe. So Jesus isn't God he is God's Christ.
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Nope, Christ is God manifest in the flesh..Thomas..ho Kurion mou KAI ho Theon mou...two Definite articles, not a confession of surprise but of conviction that Mashiach IS God Barney @Ziggy
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