Christian Nationalism

[Ziggy]

Wise words.

I would make the observation that, what puts at risk the camp and all who serve in the name of God and his sovereignty are the Traitors ensconced among us.

Those who condemn the servants who stand ready to oppose any enemy. Those foreign and of the enemies legions. As well as the ones who claim to be one with us but,as Jesus observed of them,inside themselves are ravenous wolves . Opposed to withstanding those committed to our extinction and in as much insist we should concede and accept it while on our knees.

Jesus said,such are worse than an unbeliever.
God is the same yesterday,today,and forever. He does not change.

Imagine a world where Sodom and Gomorrah were allowed to continue and spread their domain across God's Earth.

Wait!
They have.

Imagine a world where members of terrorist pagan faith occupied Christian lands and slaughter those faithful to Christ.

Wait!

They are!

And we're suppose to love that? And them that do that?
And hand Boko Haram our next baby,after they behead the first daughter?

WWJD?

He tells us in the Old Testament. God did not change with the coming of the New.

A lot of the shepherds are sleeping thats for sure.

Eze 34:7
Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
Eze 34:8
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
Eze 34:9
Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
Eze 34:10
Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

And they wonder why Deborah had to lead the way.

 

[Gray_Joy]

 

[Gray_Joy]

A lot of the shepherds are sleeping thats for sure.

Eze 34:7
Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
Eze 34:8
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
Eze 34:9
Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
Eze 34:10
Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

Amen .

And they wonder why Deborah had to lead the way.

God's choice. God's warrior.

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[Ziggy]

We are the Storm.

 

[Gray_Joy]

We are the Storm.

Amen. Stand ready.

The little battle ready frog.

 

[Ziggy]

Amen. Stand ready.

The little battle ready frog.

That is Pepe

8 years ago:

It's a meme. And they took Pepe to Court, LOL
You can't make this up.

Reeee

 

[Gray_Joy]

That is Pepe

8 years ago:

It's a meme. And they took Pepe to Court, LOL
You can't make this up.

Reeee

A cartoon frog is a hate symbol.A green white nationalist! Etc....

It's official. We've lost our collective minds.

Satan's been busy.

 

[Ziggy]

Exo 8:2
And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs:
Exo 8:3
And the river shall bring forth frogs abundantly, which shall go up and come into thine house, and into thy bedchamber, and upon thy bed, and into the house of thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thine ovens, and into thy kneadingtroughs:
Exo 8:5
And the LORD spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch forth thine hand with thy rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up upon the land of Egypt.

It was just a meme, until it wasn't.

Hugs

 

[Justified]

I think the word "obsessed" is an exaggeration in the current world setting. Christianity is losing power, not gaining it.

Christianity should be an influence for good, and this can be exhibited at the personal level, the church level, and the political level.

The term "Christian nationalism" is being used as a pejorative in some sectors of society in an attempt to discredit those who seek to implement government policies that reflect traditional Biblical values.

There is a growing array of ideologies that seek to exert influence on government and society, to the point of compulsory compliance. Failing to support what the Bible tells us is right, is to fail in in our responsibility as Christians, whatever sphere we are involved with.

Christian nationalism, however one explains it or whatever one wants it to mean, is an oxymoron.

 

[markalan]

Christian nationalism, however one explains it or whatever one wants it to mean, is an oxymoron.

It is the ungodly media who are defining "Christian nationalism" as any Christian influence on how society functions.
Don't let the ungodly tell you what words mean.

Mat 5:14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.

 

[markalan]

2. Allen Jackson Ministries — “Christian Nationalism: What You Need to Know”​

A shorter, polished sermon‑style message presenting Christian nationalism as a moral and spiritual issue. Jackson frames it as a call for Christians to influence culture and government according to biblical values.

"a call for Christians to influence culture and government according to biblical values" ... sounds good to me!

Some Christians have retreated so far from engaging with society that they frown on another Christian taking a place on a school board and voting against lgbt+ books in the elementary classroom,

 

[markalan]

There is a lot of loaded language in there . . .

There is a lot of evasion in there

 

[Pavel Mosko]

When did this change? The "church" is just the world wrapped in churchy clothing.

"Christianity Thrives when it challenges Empire. It becomes corrupted when it tries to become one."

"Christianity began with no army, no political party, no courts, no national flag, and no emperor "protecting" it.
Just a crucified Savior and a handful of ordinary people convinced that loving their enemies, caring for the forgotten, sharing what they had, and refusing to worship Caesar could change the world.
And somehow, it did.
The Church grew while it was culturally powerless because its power looked completely different from Rome’s.
Rome conquered people.
Christians served them.
Rome celebrated status.
Christians called slaves and rulers brothers and sisters.
Rome abandoned the sick and unwanted.
Christians carried them home.
Then Christianity gained access to the palace.
Constantine legalized and favored the faith. Within decades, Christianity became the official religion of the empire.
Suddenly, the persecuted Church had political influence.
Then political privilege.
Then political power.
And eventually, in some places, the followers of Jesus began persecuting others.
From religious wars and inquisitions to forced conversions, colonial conquests, and defenses of slavery, Christian history contains some deeply embarrassing chapters.
Not because Jesus failed.
Because Christians repeatedly traded His way for Caesar’s.
We took a faith built on carrying a cross and used it to decorate thrones.
That should make us pause today.
When Christianity becomes obsessed with controlling government, defeating cultural enemies, enforcing conformity, and keeping “our people” in power, we should recognize the pattern.
We have seen this movie before.
And somehow we keep buying tickets to a Christianity that looks nothing like Jesus.
Jesus never asked to become the mascot of an empire.
He called us to become servants in His Kingdom.
Christianity thrives when it offers the world an alternative to domination... not when it baptizes domination and calls it Christlike.
The Church is most powerful
when it looks like Jesus.
And Jesus conquered the world
from a cross.
Not a throne."
#ChristianNationalism

I got a different perspective I actually believe in Christian Nationalism in some form of moderation. Because the counterculture narrative that I have heard itself is actually against the Bible. God set up ancient Israel for a reason to be a "Light to the Nations". Besides this you also got the notion from the book of Proverb "Train up a child in the way they should go and they will not depart from it.". This is the exact phenomena that happens to King and rulers when they converted from paganism but on a much larger scale for their subjects. Also like the parable of the Talents, those rulers also were given opportunities to use the things God gave them, namely their Kingdoms, riches and assets for his glory as good stewards. Besides this you got the saying of Nature abhors a vacuum, and the same goes with God starting with the book of Genesis onward. God in the book of Genesis started the act of creation by brining order into the world, and that is also the mission of Christian rules whenever possible to bring order and peace. The last point I make, because I have argued with Christian Anarchists online for nearly 1/4 century and the actual Biblical case for Christian Anarchy is very weak, resting on a few proof texts and ignoring everything else in the Bible.

 

[Riven]

Christian nationalism, however one explains it or whatever one wants it to mean, is an oxymoron.

My thoughts exactly. Plus, the average Christian nationalist sounds like an utter moron that knows absolutely nothing about the rest of the world.

 

[markalan]

I got a different perspective I actually believe in Christian Nationalism in some form of moderation. Because the counterculture narrative that I have heard itself is actually against the Bible. God set up ancient Israel for a reason to be a "Light to the Nations". Besides this you also got the notion from the book of Proverb "Train up a child in the way they should go and they will not depart from it.". This is the exact phenomena that happens to King and rulers when they converted from paganism but on a much larger scale. Also like the parable of the Talents, those rulers also were given opportunities to use the things God gave them, namely theirr Kingdoms, riches and assets for his glory as good stewards. Besides this you got the saying of Nature abhors a vacuum, and the same goes with God starting with the book of Genesis onward. God in the book of Genesis started the act of creation by brining order into the world, and that is also the mission of Christian rules whenever possible to bring order and peace. The last point I make, because I have argued with Christian Anarchists online for nearly 1/4 century and the actual Biblical case for Christian Anarchy is very weak, resting on a few proof texts and ignoring everything else in the Bible.

I know very little about "Christian anarchists" ... does it include not obeying the law of the country when it conflicts with God's laws?
Here in Australia, the law threatens a pastor with jail if he prays for someone who has requested prayer to suppress or change lgbt feelings. I believe many will disobey that law.

 

[markalan]

My thoughts exactly. Plus, the average Christian nationalist sounds like an utter moron that knows absolutely nothing about the rest of the world.

For the sake of clarity, can you provide some examples of actions taken by those you call "Christian nationalists"?

 

[Riven]

For the sake of clarity, can you provide some examples of actions taken by those you call "Christian nationalists"?

The failed war with Iran is the most glaring example of their stupidity. Beyond that, the futile arguments against evolution, the arguments for a young earth, the flat earth arguments, and in general, an anti-science sentiment.

Nowhere in the bible does Christ say to become a Christian nationalist and force your beliefs onto others via the power of the state. Nowhere.

 

[MatthewG]

"a call for Christians to influence culture and government according to biblical values" ... sounds good to me!

Some Christians have retreated so far from engaging with society that they frown on another Christian taking a place on a school board and voting against lgbt+ books in the elementary classroom,

I get what you’re saying, and I’m not against Christians being involved in society. Scripture never told believers to hide from the world. But there’s a difference between influencing culture through Christlike character and trying to control culture through political power.

When Christians step into places like school boards, the goal shouldn’t be to wage a culture war. It should be to reflect Christ — humility, truth, love, and discernment. There are times to stand against things we believe are harmful, but even then, the New Testament never tells us to build the kingdom through legislation. Jesus didn’t do that, and neither did the apostles.

My concern is when “influencing culture” becomes Christian nationalism or when faith gets tangled up with political identity. That’s when people stop seeing the gospel and start seeing a voting bloc.

If a Christian votes against certain books because they genuinely believe it protects children, that’s one thing. But when Christians treat political battles as the heart of the faith, it distracts from what is commanded — to believe on the Son of God and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

Engage? Yes.
But the moment politics becomes the engine of the church instead of the Spirit, we’ve missed the point entirely.

 

[markalan]

The failed war with Iran is the most glaring example of their stupidity. Beyond that, the futile arguments against evolution, the arguments for a young earth, the flat earth arguments, and in general, an anti-science sentiment.

Nowhere in the bible does Christ say to become a Christian nationalist and force your beliefs onto others via the power of the state. Nowhere.

According to the Wikipedia article "Christian nationalism in the United States", CN includes anyone "willing to elect impious heads of state if they support right-wing causes". So all the Republicans who voted for President Trump are Christian nationalists?!

Obviously, the term Christian nationalist is being thrown around recklessly as a pejorative for any Christian who holds a political position one disagrees with.

It seems that from your perspective, anyone who advocates for teaching Intelligent Design in schools is automatically a "Christian nationalist".

Jesus taught that we should be an influence for good in society: “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. (Mat 5:14).

So would you consider a law that restricts late term abortions, and abortions for sex selection, to be "forcing your beliefs on to others"?

 

[markalan]

I get what you’re saying, and I’m not against Christians being involved in society. Scripture never told believers to hide from the world. But there’s a difference between influencing culture through Christlike character and trying to control culture through political power.

When Christians step into places like school boards, the goal shouldn’t be to wage a culture war. It should be to reflect Christ — humility, truth, love, and discernment. There are times to stand against things we believe are harmful, but even then, the New Testament never tells us to build the kingdom through legislation. Jesus didn’t do that, and neither did the apostles.

My concern is when “influencing culture” becomes Christian nationalism or when faith gets tangled up with political identity. That’s when people stop seeing the gospel and start seeing a voting bloc.

If a Christian votes against certain books because they genuinely believe it protects children, that’s one thing. But when Christians treat political battles as the heart of the faith, it distracts from what is commanded — to believe on the Son of God and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

Engage? Yes.
But the moment politics becomes the engine of the church instead of the Spirit, we’ve missed the point entirely.

There is nothing I disagree with in your post ... and yet I am a supporter of ACL (Australian Christian Lobby) whose aim is to influence government legislation to reflect traditional Biblical values. For that I am called a "Christian nationalist" ... and a lot of other things!

For all those I know who are involved with ACL, Jesus Christ is the centre of their lives, as He is the heart of mine.