Christian Nationalism

[MatthewG]

Ahhh, now that you mentioned Nebuchadnezzar, Babylon the Great is in process of bursting onto the scene.

I read some comment about how this one person in this congress or whatever somewhere wants people ot burn alive, but idk if that was a real post or an ai post.

It wasn’t in America — it was some other country. I just wasn’t sure if the post was real or something AI‑generated.

Either way, it shows how different people’s hearts can be. Some folks genuinely want others to suffer or die, and that reveals the condition of their heart. It’s no different from an abusive spouse who eventually kills their partner or tries to hire someone to do it.

That’s the reality of the world we live in: people with evil hearts that need to be transformed. But you can’t force that change on anyone. They have to seek God themselves before anything real starts happening.

The flesh can’t fix itself. Only God can change a person from the inside out.

 

[markalan]

All I know is that I do love the country I live in, and I’m thankful for the president. I also believe Romans 13 is right about letting the government handle its responsibilities, as long as it doesn’t interfere with a person’s ability to worship God.

Back in the days of Nebuchadnezzar, they would literally throw people into fire for not obeying the king. Thankfully, we don’t live in times like that anymore. There are extremists out there on both sides — some who push nationalism too far, and others who would gladly punish people for their beliefs — but those groups don’t represent everyone.

As for me, I don’t believe any earthly nation is “Christian.” The only Christian nation is the heavenly one — the kingdom of God. That’s where my loyalty ultimately is.

That’s just my stance in the end.

A large part of the reason we love our country is because of the Christian influence in society.

 

[MatthewG]

Ahhh, now that you mentioned Nebuchadnezzar, Babylon the Great is in process of bursting onto the scene.

That’s basically what happened with Nebuchadnezzar. God brought him to ruin until he finally acknowledged that the Lord was real and that His authority was above every kingdom. Once he humbled himself, his sanity and position were restored. It’s a good reminder that even powerful people can be brought low until they recognize who truly rules.

A large part of the reason we love our country is because of the Christian influence in society.

Mark, I didn’t care about Jesus or God at all until I was 26. Before that, I honestly hated anything to do with them. And I still don’t care much for churches. A lot of people attend church, but that doesn’t automatically make them Christian.

I love my country simply because it’s one of the best places I could have grown up in — not because of anything religious tied to it.

Meeting with Yeshua was my greatest influence - actually reading the bible and learning and growing in him and learning about God...

 

[quietthinker]

I read some comment about how this one person in this congress or whatever somewhere wants people ot burn alive, but idk if that was a real post or an ai post.

It wasn’t in America — it was some other country. I just wasn’t sure if the post was real or something AI‑generated.

Either way, it shows how different people’s hearts can be. Some folks genuinely want others to suffer or die, and that reveals the condition of their heart. It’s no different from an abusive spouse who eventually kills their partner or tries to hire someone to do it.

That’s the reality of the world we live in: people with evil hearts that need to be transformed. But you can’t force that change on anyone. They have to seek God themselves before anything real starts happening.

The flesh can’t fix itself. Only God can change a person from the inside out.

I guess leaving 'other or some people' to the gossip rags ....so the intended influence keeps the insidious bending in process. Might that be Babylon the Great coming in the back door?

 

[MatthewG]

I guess leaving 'other or some people' to the gossip rags ....so the intended influence keeps the insidious bending in process. Might that be Babylon the Great coming in the back door?

I’m not really connecting it to Babylon or anything like that. I’m just talking from my own life and how I came to believe. I try to stay away from gossip, fear‑based stuff, or dramatic interpretations. I’m just sharing my perspective, nothing more.


I honestly don’t care for most of the people on YouTube when it comes to talking about God, conspiracies, or all that wild stuff that makes no sense to me.

But when I was 26, I finally started seeking God because I knew my own heart was messed up. I did listen to a few people on YouTube back then, but what they said actually pushed me to look deeper into who Jesus really was — because the “God” they were presenting wasn’t the God I found to be true.

They also kept saying Jesus was coming back, but there had already been so many failed predictions from people claiming the same thing. Because of that, I shifted my focus and came to believe He actually already returned, just like He said He would.

 

[markalan]

Mark, I didn’t care about Jesus or God at all until I was 26. Before that, I honestly hated anything to do with them. And I still don’t care much for churches. A lot of people attend church, but that doesn’t automatically make them Christian.

I love my country simply because it’s one of the best places I could have grown up in — not because of anything religious tied to it.

Meeting with Yeshua was my greatest influence - actually reading the bible and learning and growing in him and learning about God..

When we look more deeply we can see the formative Christian influence on society ... especially when we contrast it to a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia ... or a Communist country like China.

Even people who do not engage with overt Christianity still enjoy the benefits of the Christian values that permeate our culture.

I do agree wholeheartedly that attending church doesn't automatically make anyone a Christian ... it must be a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

 

[Taken]

They tend to be, yes. They also tend to be the types that reject evolution and science.


I really don't understand this obsession evangelicals have with abortion. Meanwhile, they're completely silent on the weekend drive by shootings in places like Chicago that have a real impact on human beings that have already been born.

Obsession … is implied to establish a Negative from the go.

Passion … is implied to establish a Positive from the get go.

What does it matter to you, what individuals Desire and choose to invest their time in doing that has zero effect on your choices?

If you want people to have a passionate concern about Drive-BY shootings… Why?
You do as you please to take on, get involved with that Cause, and don’t worry about what Others Choose.

 

[MatthewG]

When we look more deeply we can see the formative Christian influence on society ... especially when we contrast it to a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia ... or a Communist country like China.

Even people who do not engage with overt Christianity still enjoy the benefits of the Christian values that permeate our culture.

I do agree wholeheartedly that attending church doesn't automatically make anyone a Christian ... it must be a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Mark,

To me, God’s presence is in all people. Whether someone chooses to walk in relationship with Him is their own decision, but yes — I hear what you’re saying.

I fully agree that a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Hindu, or anyone else who is genuinely seeking God from the heart is seen by God. Labels don’t tell the whole story. God looks at the heart, not the title someone carries.

We can’t see a person’s heart, and we don’t know everything they’ve lived through or what they’ve said or done. Only God sees that clearly.

 

[Taken]

The "whole" are complicit in the murders by shrugging their shoulders every time a child is murdered with a firearm.

Disagree.

 

[MatthewG]

Obsession … is implied to establish a Negative from the go.

Passion … is implied to establish a Positive from the get go.

What does it matter to you, what individuals Desire and choose to invest their time in doing that has zero effect on your choices?

If you want people to have a passionate concern about Drive-BY shootings… Why?
You do as you please to take on, get involved with that Cause, and don’t worry about what Others Choose.

That’s right, Taken. I agree with you. I think it’s perfectly fine to just let people be and let them invest their time in whatever they choose, as long as it’s not harming anyone. Everyone has their own passions, and that’s their business. I don’t feel the need to control what others care about.

 

[MatthewG]

The "whole" are complicit in the murders by shrugging their shoulders every time a child is murdered with a firearm.

Riven, I get what you’re saying, but I don’t see it that way. Most people aren’t shrugging their shoulders or celebrating anything like that. A lot of folks just feel powerless or unsure what the right answer even is. Blaming “the whole” doesn’t really help anything or change hearts.

People respond differently to tragedy, and not everyone processes it the same way. I think most people genuinely don’t want to see anyone harmed — especially children. But real change in society starts with individuals, not with pointing fingers at everyone as a group.

 

[Taken]

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I believe the unborn and little children deserve special protection ... Jesus demonstrated a special care of children (Mat 18):

Agree…Parents duty.

It seems you are saying that it is ok for the anti-gun movement to force compliance but not for Christians to support laws that reflect traditional Biblical values.

Agree with your assessment.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Brakelite]

When did this change?

I can't give a specific date, but it was a slow falling away from true faith in Jesus.

When the Holy Spirit in response left the church deplete of power, the church sought the assistance of the state to make up the deficit. This isn't new however. That's precisely how the Catholic Church came to power in the 6th through to the late middle ages.

“3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ”
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV


The very sad aspect to the current situation is that it isn't the Catholic Church as the dominant power now seeking state support, but ironically the Protestant church who in their heyday were the only objectors to the union of church and state from the 14th/15th century on.

Now, the Protestant power is that metaphorical "false prophet" who is now forming the image to the beast, that Catholic union of the dark ages.

“4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast....
....7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. ”
Revelation 13:1-8 KJV

The false prophet... American apostate Protestantism... will empower the Catholic Church to restoration on a global scale.

“12 And he (the false prophet/ American Protestantism) exerciseth all the power of the first beast (The papacy) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, (coerced worship and/or submission to despite the constitution) whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, (a false latter rain/ revival?)
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image (union of church and state) to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, (through its legislative assembly) and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (“They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service." John14:2)


16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark (of ecclesiastical authority of the beast/Catholic Church) in their right hand, (voluntary submission to papal authority without conscientious agreement) or in their foreheads (conscientious agreement in mind and heart to that authority): 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. ”
Revelation 13:12-17 KJV

The true gospel and the reception of the seal of God is the antidote to the mark. The seal of God is the same as the name of God in the forehead; having God's name written there is having His character formed within, the image of Christ.

“1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. ”
Revelation 14:1, 12 KJV

 

[Taken]

What's more important? Some religious law about teaching the bible in school, or making sure that children cab attend school without being brutally murdered by some nut job with a firearm?

This is basic stuff that every other developed western country has been able to figure out, much like healthcare, except the United States. Because this country is full of stupid people that would rather argue over abortion rights while their own children can't even feel safe while attending school.

Teaching all students in all (thousands of American Schools ) Americas Founding on
Biblical Standards, Principles and Fixed Objectives… What those Standards, Principles, Fixed Objectives ARE and SOURCE…
Or Fixate on 24-7 on the “opinions of so called news” regarding an the anomaly of School shootings?

I favor the former, rather than 24-7 repetitive giving Of “celebrity / fame status” to shooters who are pretty much guaranteed such status for their underhanded heinous behavior.

 

[MatthewG]

When did this change? The "church" is just the world wrapped in churchy clothing.

"Christianity Thrives when it challenges Empire. It becomes corrupted when it tries to become one."

"Christianity began with no army, no political party, no courts, no national flag, and no emperor "protecting" it.
Just a crucified Savior and a handful of ordinary people convinced that loving their enemies, caring for the forgotten, sharing what they had, and refusing to worship Caesar could change the world.
And somehow, it did.
The Church grew while it was culturally powerless because its power looked completely different from Rome’s.
Rome conquered people.
Christians served them.
Rome celebrated status.
Christians called slaves and rulers brothers and sisters.
Rome abandoned the sick and unwanted.
Christians carried them home.
Then Christianity gained access to the palace.
Constantine legalized and favored the faith. Within decades, Christianity became the official religion of the empire.
Suddenly, the persecuted Church had political influence.
Then political privilege.
Then political power.
And eventually, in some places, the followers of Jesus began persecuting others.
From religious wars and inquisitions to forced conversions, colonial conquests, and defenses of slavery, Christian history contains some deeply embarrassing chapters.
Not because Jesus failed.
Because Christians repeatedly traded His way for Caesar’s.
We took a faith built on carrying a cross and used it to decorate thrones.
That should make us pause today.
When Christianity becomes obsessed with controlling government, defeating cultural enemies, enforcing conformity, and keeping “our people” in power, we should recognize the pattern.
We have seen this movie before.
And somehow we keep buying tickets to a Christianity that looks nothing like Jesus.
Jesus never asked to become the mascot of an empire.
He called us to become servants in His Kingdom.
Christianity thrives when it offers the world an alternative to domination... not when it baptizes domination and calls it Christlike.
The Church is most powerful
when it looks like Jesus.
And Jesus conquered the world
from a cross.
Not a throne."
#ChristianNationalism

Nancy, I don’t think there was one single moment where everything changed. It wasn’t like the church flipped a switch — it was a slow drift over time. Any time people stop seeking God from the heart and start chasing influence, numbers, comfort, or political power, the church naturally starts looking more like the world.

That’s happened in different ways across history. Sometimes it was tied to governments, sometimes to culture, sometimes to people just going through the motions without actually knowing God. But the core issue has always been the same: when people stop walking with Jesus personally, the church loses its spiritual power and becomes just another institution.

There have always been genuine believers in every generation, but there’s also always been a mixture of people who carry the name “Christian” without the heart behind it. That’s not new — it’s been happening since the first century. The label doesn’t guarantee the relationship.

So for me, the “change” isn’t tied to a date or an empire. It happens whenever people trade relationship with God for something that looks religious on the outside but has no life on the inside.

 

[Wrangler]

The failed war with Iran is the most glaring example of their stupidity.

The most successful military campaign in human history labeled failed. What gaslighting!

 

[Lizbeth]

Jer 36:2
Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day.
Jer 36:3
It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.
Jer 36:4
Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the LORD, which he had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book.
Jer 36:21
So the king sent Jehudi to fetch the roll: and he took it out of Elishama the scribe's chamber. And Jehudi read it in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.
Jer 36:22
Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him.
Jer 36:23
And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.
Jer 36:27
Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, after that the king had burned the roll, and the words which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 36:28
Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.
Jer 36:32
Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.

If there never was an Old, there would never be a New.
But that doesn't mean that God changes His ways, He changes ours.

Mat 13:52
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

He certainly has changed the priesthood and therefore the law that we are to follow. If we are still following a carnal commandment, we are not following Christ and His new covenant.

Heb 7:11-19

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

 

[Lizbeth]

So, God made a covenant with Israel, and Israel broke it.

God made a New Covenant with those who would Follow Him, Not those who turned their backs on Him.

So many "christians" cut the Word of God in half, they like this easy manna, but they can't handle the meat.

1Co 3:2
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Jhn 4:34
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Jhn 17:4
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev 16:17
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

You truly have a choice.
You either believe the Bible and the Word of God or you don't.

You don't get to choose which half of it applies, it is ALL God's word.

Pro 30:5
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Luk 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Psa 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

I can hardly believe my ears that any born again believer would call the milk that the old covenant Israelites were feeding on, meat. Even the milk that new Christian believers drink as the basic fundamentals of the faith is higher (more spiritual) than what the Israelites had.

The physical battles that Israel engaged in are only allegories/parables speaking to the spiritual battle/warfare that the church is engaged in. Our weapons are not carnal like the Israelites' were. The Living Word, Jesus, speaks to us in parables. And if anyone has ears to hear, once again, even David was not able to build God's house with blood on His hands. That is not how Christ is building His kingdom.

 

[amigo de christo]

When did this change? The "church" is just the world wrapped in churchy clothing.

"Christianity Thrives when it challenges Empire. It becomes corrupted when it tries to become one."

"Christianity began with no army, no political party, no courts, no national flag, and no emperor "protecting" it.
Just a crucified Savior and a handful of ordinary people convinced that loving their enemies, caring for the forgotten, sharing what they had, and refusing to worship Caesar could change the world.
And somehow, it did.
The Church grew while it was culturally powerless because its power looked completely different from Rome’s.
Rome conquered people.
Christians served them.
Rome celebrated status.
Christians called slaves and rulers brothers and sisters.
Rome abandoned the sick and unwanted.
Christians carried them home.
Then Christianity gained access to the palace.
Constantine legalized and favored the faith. Within decades, Christianity became the official religion of the empire.
Suddenly, the persecuted Church had political influence.
Then political privilege.
Then political power.
And eventually, in some places, the followers of Jesus began persecuting others.
From religious wars and inquisitions to forced conversions, colonial conquests, and defenses of slavery, Christian history contains some deeply embarrassing chapters.
Not because Jesus failed.
Because Christians repeatedly traded His way for Caesar’s.
We took a faith built on carrying a cross and used it to decorate thrones.
That should make us pause today.
When Christianity becomes obsessed with controlling government, defeating cultural enemies, enforcing conformity, and keeping “our people” in power, we should recognize the pattern.
We have seen this movie before.
And somehow we keep buying tickets to a Christianity that looks nothing like Jesus.
Jesus never asked to become the mascot of an empire.
He called us to become servants in His Kingdom.
Christianity thrives when it offers the world an alternative to domination... not when it baptizes domination and calls it Christlike.
The Church is most powerful
when it looks like Jesus.
And Jesus conquered the world
from a cross.
Not a throne."
#ChristianNationalism

Only those whose hopes , cares and pleasures be in life and thus in the earthen
will recreate another jesus who will give them their desire .
And beleive me , seeing we did not and cannot create GOD or HIS CHRIST
, WELL that one CANNOT SAVE US . People will buy and spend their money on that which is NAUGHT .
But sheep will BUY ONLY THE TRUTH and sell HER NOT .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Only those whose hopes , cares and pleasures be in life and thus in the earthen
will recreate another jesus who will give them their desire .
And beleive me , seeing we did not and cannot create GOD or HIS CHRIST
, WELL that one CANNOT SAVE US . People will buy and spend their money on that which is NAUGHT .
But sheep will BUY ONLY THE TRUTH and sell HER NOT .

@amigo de christo