Christian Nationalism

[Ziggy]

But this is a straw man based on a false exegesis of scripture. No one is saying we don’t fight back, because Christians are to fight back. How we do so is largely based on context. But the primary method we’ve been given is relying on God through prayer:

Eph 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
Eph 6:13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
Eph 6:15 and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.
Eph 6:16 In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one;
Eph 6:17 and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,
Eph 6:18 praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,

That is what you and a few others continually ignore, preferring your interpretations driven by fear and a lack of trust in God.

 

[markalan]

I thank God for the men & women (whether Christian or non Christian) in the police & military who are willing to do whatever it takes to allow us to be safe in our homes. They are the ministers of God (Romans 13:4).

 

[Wrangler]

It says s lot when someone claims to believe in Jesus but refused to believe he meant what he said.

I wonder if it is reasonable to infer from these words from Jesus Matthew 6:33
Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.

That "everything" could include the blessings of a society that is safe for his followers? It's too bad that Jesus just died a few months ago and we are forced to:

1. theoretically speculate,
2. only have OT accounts of God's people forging their own nations and
3. don't have thousands of years of precedent of Christian nations expanding and prospering more than any other in human history where God's Providence and blessings are overwhelmingly seen in every aspect of the soulful, fleshy, worldly, carnal life in these God given bodies, huh?

Maybe total pacifism, vulnerable to every evil and detachment from practical living, sabbathing 7-days per week is the life Christ meant for us when he said John 10:10 I came so that they may have life, and may have it abundantly? Yea, that's it!

 

[Wrangler]

total pacifism, vulnerable to every evil and detachment from practical living, sabbathing 7-days per week is the life Christ meant for us

Seriously, the overly-spiritualized types are totally ungrateful! Stiff necked veering into tribulation of their own making as what you sow is what you reap. Whereas Christ didn't wash his dirty hands, these overly-spiritualized think of themselves as too good, too pious to get their hands dirty in doing what is necessary for practical living.

I once asked if Christians are better off being ruled by Atheists and Satanists for that is the inevitable result of their ideology and one wonders why they even follow Christ if that is the practical effect here and now? Because I follow Christ, I support Christ-like people and as others do the same, that naturally leads to a Christian Nation - no matter what form seems best for us, e.g., kingdom, republic, commonwealth, etc.

 

[Wrangler]

Regarding Christian nationalism, I haven't any idea what that's supposed to mean. I'm against a state church and believe in separation of church and state.

What kind of Appeal to Ignorance is this? You are an exceptionally academic writer but in this thread, you have "no idea" what the topic is even about?

Compare it to an adjective nation, such as a democratic nation. A Christian Nation is a Nation whose founded on Biblical principles, and whose culture is Christ-centric, like America, Russia, England, Italy, Switzerland, Spain, Germany and as @Armour of God told me recently, Portugal, etc.

It takes 5-seconds to educate yourself. From AI:

Core Arguments From Supporters​

Historical Claims: Proponents assert that the United States was intentionally founded as a Christian nation, and preserving this identity is essential for maintaining the country's original character. According to writings in publications like First Things and The American Mind, supporters believe embedding Christian symbols, prayers, and traditions in public life honors this historical foundation.

Moral Cohesion: Supporters contend that Christian values provide a necessary moral compass for public policy and legislation. As noted in research from Rice University's Boniuk Institute and Oxford Academic's Sociology of Religion, studies find that support for Christian nationalism correlates strongly with three moral foundations: loyalty (to nation and community), sanctity (of Christian traditions and symbols), and liberty (freedom to express faith publicly).

Social Unity: Proponents argue that shared Christian identity fosters patriotism and national unity. A First Things article suggests this helps counteract declining civic pride among younger generations and resists what they view as "anti-American ideologies" in education and media.

Religious Protection: Many supporters claim that privileging Christianity in public life protects religious freedom by affirming the majority faith and safeguarding against the perceived marginalization of Christian voices in an increasingly pluralistic society.

Cultural Preservation: Supporters express concern about cultural decay and moral relativism, arguing that Christian frameworks help maintain traditional social structures and protect influence for conventional Christianity as church membership declines.

 

[Lizbeth]

@Lizbeth My daughter went with these people "willingly" under the pretense that they were going to keep her safe. Her pregnancy was by force. The m*fia/cult wanted a child through her and one man in particular. But another man wanted her and impregnated her ...thus, they threatened her, and all of us ....threatened to kill ber in various ways. She was approached by two men and a woman who offered "safety" ....which turned out to be just a set-up. They (the cult) ended up stealing her daughter (my granddaughter) a year later. My granddaughter is turning 14 soon. We don't know for sure where she is.

Anyway.... I apologize for veering so far off topic.

Bless you sister.......I am so sorry for all the horrible things you and your family have endured. One day the Lord will put a stop to all the evil in this sad and wicked world. And I believe He will one day make it up to those who suffer so much in this life. It will all seem like just a bad dream, if even remembered at all.

 

[amigo de christo]

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Very true my friend .
LORD lay not this sin to their charge , said a dying steven that had not lifted up sword nor stone
to defend himself , BUT rather had pointed them TO JESUS .
Do thyself no harm for we all are still here .
Said a paul to a jailor who was about to kill himself .
And rather than allowing even this jailor to kill himself and then escape
THEY HALTED IT . for their desire was GOOD for their enemies and not their destruction .
SOMEONE been lying to this crusades supporting generation . And it can be none other than the devil
himself . cause he be the prince of lies .
SO now lets sum it up .
HE WHO LIVES BY THE SWORD shall PERISH by The Sword .
BUT HE who lives by CHRIST , by the WORD of GOD , the SPIRIT Of GOD shall have life eternal
and PREACH JESUS to the lost rather than feeding them a sword .

 

[amigo de christo]

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what many have long forgotten or perhaps never even knew is ..............
THEY are preaching THE WRONG SWORD to their enemies .
HERE is the SWORD that we ought to have b rought to our enemies .
FOR THE WORD OF GOD is SHARPER than ANY two edged sword .
Now he who lives by THAT SWORD , by THAT WORD , would have preached HIS WORD
and had done the things HE said to do and done NOT the things HE said NOT TO DO .

 

[amigo de christo]

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I see some keep saying to you , HEY you dont LIKE the GOD in that bible .
Rather odd indeed .
Because lastly GOD did send and has spoken unto us by the SON .
THAT SON had many things to say and to teach .
Yet many seem to desire to omit and twist things HE did say and teach .
Many desire a kingdom on earth and their desires are in the cares and pleasures of life , of this world .
Kinda odd that these so called nationalists
who seem do darn sure they are following in the so called footsteps
of the men who even brought us the consitution ,
SURE SEEM TO NOT REALIZE what many of them had fled
and WHY they were so adamant about the govt NOT creating any religoin .
For since the days of the RCC and her merger with politics
IT HAS ALWAYS LED to blood against those who would NOT conform to its religoin .
And that is a fact and its about to be a well known fact in the days ahead .
AS soon even they , the merged religoins of the earth
will all be co helpers to the largest crusade against any and all that did not conform
to the image of their political god and its kingdom and its will and its plan for peace n safety .
And oh yeah when many true sheep , WHO WOULD NOT bend the knee to such a wicked plan for peace ,
do resist , THEY will be rounded up and even put to death and those who do so
will believe THEY DO THE WILL OF GOD . aint a thing new under this ol sun .

 

[amigo de christo]

Bless you sister.......I am so sorry for all the horrible things you and your family have endured. One day the Lord will put a stop to all the evil in this sad and wicked world. And I believe He will one day make it up to those who suffer so much in this life. It will all seem like just a bad dream, if even remembered at all.

what even these nationalists do not realize is
they too are being programed into the same one world religoin of ec umiencal inclusivism .
And you wanna hear something .
THESE nationalists whose hopes be in Trump
who cliam daily we defend the consitution .
THEY have no idea WHY the so called men who even wrote it
had ensured that govt WILL NEVER and must NEVER create a religion .
THEY have no idea these men and their faimlies before them had FLED
europe due to SUCH A THING .
And they have no idea they about to bring even the same SWORD against
the true sheep WHO DID NOT and WOULD NOT conform to their inclusive one world CHURCH and its RELIGON
for peace .

 

[amigo de christo]

Bless you sister.......I am so sorry for all the horrible things you and your family have endured. One day the Lord will put a stop to all the evil in this sad and wicked world. And I believe He will one day make it up to those who suffer so much in this life. It will all seem like just a bad dream, if even remembered at all.

Ever wonder WHY the clause GOVT SHALL NOT ESTALBISH any religoin
nor prohibit the free exercise of such .
WAS EVEN WRITTEN .
Lets go back to the earliest days of ROME .
WHEN the RCC merged in with constantine
and used for POLTICAL gain by constantine .
WHAT would come out of that . PERSECUTION against even the sheep
and against all that would not conform to its political religoin of the merger o state and church .
ANd persecutions would arise on and of throughout the years .
THEN we had a great time of persecution that would arise during what is known
and now called the protesetant reformation .
WHEN a king or queen sat the throne who was catholic , IT Was persecution agaisnt the protestant
THINK BLOODY MARY sister .
THEN when a prostestant sat the throne it was all out persecution against the catholic . THINK queen elizabeth .
And so on would this go .
THAT IS WHY MANY FLED such a place
and THAT IS WHY they would later write , NO GOVT shall establish ANY RELIGON .
WELL here it comes sister . cause the very world govt
has already made such a one . THINK ECUMEINCAL INCLUSIVISM and its plan for peace .
And what even thse so called nationslist know not at all is
THEY have been LED RIGHT INTO IT as well . SOON the inclusive god will have handed all
power unto the beast and by means of a powerful AI LED , image speaking , that controls
buying and selling , will come to all out power.
AND THEN all who do its bidding will truly beleive , as others before them did ,
TIME for the crusades , TIME to rid this earth of all who would not conform
AND OH YEAH they gonna believe just like them popes and later even them prostetants did ,
THAT THEY ARE SIMPLY DOING THE WILL OF GOD when they put their enemies TO DEATH .
You eveer heard there is not really any new thing under the sun . OH YEAH sister
its about to hit a peak hour .

 

[Ziggy]

ct 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

I have this habit of listening to Washington Journal on C-Span every morning for 3 hours.
People get to call in and give their opinion on whatever topic of the day or Open Forum.
The division between Love of Country and those who despise this Country is as stark as night and day.
The, I am content vs, the give me more.
The last couple of days people been calling in from those who are here visiting America for the FIFA and 250th Celebration of Our Country.
They Love it. They are enjoying themselves. Visiting the Landmarks like Mt. Rushmore, the Grand Canyon, Mountain climbing.
Enjoying the people, enjoying the food. Enjoying each other.

This is America.

And then we have the HATERS. These are not here to visit, or even take part in our Love for Country and each other.
We freed slaves and they call us racists. We provide taxes for those who need help. And they get angry when we call out fraud.
We create laws that say if you have been incarcerated for non-violent crimes or have done you're time and have not been given relief, You get a second chance. It's called the First Step Act. Because some people enjoy holding others prisoner beyond measure.

We can't change the sins of our fathers, and throughout the years we have striven to right the wrongs.
Civil Rights to codify that all men are created equal under God.
We provide housing for those who can't build. We provide healthcare for those who are sick.
We have laws for immigration so people seeking refuge from war torn countries or fear of persecution in their own country, to come here and become an American.

We the People pay taxes for all these things. And then come the wolves who take those taxes and use them on themselves instead of the people who need them. They send our taxes that we pay for the people in our country that are suffering to other countries and they don't provide for others that they promise they will do. They launder it and steal it and spend it, and people around the world are still hungry, still sick, still persecuted in their own countries.
It's not that we don't care, we do. But we don't control those taxes, or even donations and charity that we gather for other nations around the world. They get pirated and stolen on the way. By corrupt and greedy people who we voted in to have the oversight of our goodwill.

So those who have Hatred for America blame us for the wrongs that other people do.
And for a long time we have turned the other cheek, taking blame when the blame we do deserve in a free world is electing people who don't represent who we are.
That is like hiring a shepherd over the sheep and the Shepherds are the Wolves.
That is our fault.

But America is a Christian Nation. I don't care what the world thinks or believes.

Mat 25:37
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38
When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39
Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Have we been tarnished, have we become careless, have we been jaded?
Over time hearts become hard and ears become dull because I think most Christians feel helpless instead of empowered to take back what God has given us. so that we can get back to doing those things we used to do.

This country has many levels of compassion and disdain.
There are good and evil within it's walls. And we have allowed this.
This Country is not made up of any one people, but a people who have come together as one.
And so when I read the Letters to the seven churches in Revelation. This Country has all 7 in it.

The first is Ephesus:
Rev 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Rev 2:3
And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Rev 2:4
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 2:6
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

The deeds of the Nicolaitans involved idolatrous compromise, sexual immorality, and the distortion of Christian liberty into license, all of which Jesus explicitly condemned.​

Many in this Country are in this church.
We have built up and others have torn down.

But those that have new eyes and come to America see what we see, and know what we know.

Either we rebuild and remove those things which hinder us, or we will be removed.

For those who hate the idea of America as a Christian Nation,
you're not wanted here.

And when you're gone we can get back to doing those things that please the Lord, the things which we began to do with sincerity in our hearts.

Hugs

 

[Wrangler]

But America is a Christian Nation. I don't care what the world thinks or believes.

There has been a US Chaplains office since the Founding and every Chaplain who held that office for over 200 has been a Christian.

 

[Lizbeth]

@Lizbeth My daughter went with these people "willingly" under the pretense that they were going to keep her safe. Her pregnancy was by force. The m*fia/cult wanted a child through her and one man in particular. But another man wanted her and impregnated her ...thus, they threatened her, and all of us ....threatened to kill ber in various ways. She was approached by two men and a woman who offered "safety" ....which turned out to be just a set-up. They (the cult) ended up stealing her daughter (my granddaughter) a year later. My granddaughter is turning 14 soon. We don't know for sure where she is.

Anyway.... I apologize for veering so far off topic.

And to think that all this heinous evil goes on in supposed "Christian" nations that "Christian" Nationalists want to "support", sister. This whole world is under the sway of the wicked one as the bible says......that is why it is appointed unto wrath. It is not for us to "support" it. when God does not.

Everything to do with this world is a mixture of good and evil, you can't really try to just "support" the "good" part of it without also inadvertently supporting the "evil". Especially when it comes to politics. Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil......good and evil are bound up together in this world....the "good" part is just the bait that deceives the unwary. I believe God's wisdom is that we are to rescue souls OUT of this world and INTO God's eternal kingdom before the wrath comes, not to make it our goal to "change" the world.. As it was in the days of Noah....that is what Noah did. In building and adding to the church we are building the ark. Few find it....the relative few who were foreknown and foreordained by God. The rest , a majority, are appointed to wrath, sadly.

 

[Lizbeth]

Ever wonder WHY the clause GOVT SHALL NOT ESTALBISH any religoin
nor prohibit the free exercise of such .
WAS EVEN WRITTEN .
Lets go back to the earliest days of ROME .
WHEN the RCC merged in with constantine
and used for POLTICAL gain by constantine .
WHAT would come out of that . PERSECUTION against even the sheep
and against all that would not conform to its political religoin of the merger o state and church .
ANd persecutions would arise on and of throughout the years .
THEN we had a great time of persecution that would arise during what is known
and now called the protesetant reformation .
WHEN a king or queen sat the throne who was catholic , IT Was persecution agaisnt the protestant
THINK BLOODY MARY sister .
THEN when a prostestant sat the throne it was all out persecution against the catholic . THINK queen elizabeth .
And so on would this go .
THAT IS WHY MANY FLED such a place
and THAT IS WHY they would later write , NO GOVT shall establish ANY RELIGON .
WELL here it comes sister . cause the very world govt
has already made such a one . THINK ECUMEINCAL INCLUSIVISM and its plan for peace .
And what even thse so called nationslist know not at all is
THEY have been LED RIGHT INTO IT as well . SOON the inclusive god will have handed all
power unto the beast and by means of a powerful AI LED , image speaking , that controls
buying and selling , will come to all out power.
AND THEN all who do its bidding will truly beleive , as others before them did ,
TIME for the crusades , TIME to rid this earth of all who would not conform
AND OH YEAH they gonna believe just like them popes and later even them prostetants did ,
THAT THEY ARE SIMPLY DOING THE WILL OF GOD when they put their enemies TO DEATH .
You eveer heard there is not really any new thing under the sun . OH YEAH sister
its about to hit a peak hour .

Yes...and they won't call it a religion, but it actually is.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes...and they won't call it a religion, but it actually is.

very good my dear sister . you are correct as to they will not call it religion .
ANY guesses on what they are calling it and thus decieving tons and t ons of folks .
IF ya said love and cliaming its the love of GOD , B INGO sister .
A religoin , THE ONE WORLD religoin . HOW did it come ab out and what will be it called .
WHY LOVE of course with the reminder GOD IS LOV E , only THEY DONT have any part in THE LOVE OF GOD .
ITS ALL been a sham all along sister .
THE ONE religoin meant ot unite all religoins as well as christendom
WHY its been being called love and tolerance and inclusivity as its UN ITY has been the UNITY of a fat lie all along .
BUT were told HEY this is the will of GOD , HEY we gotta overlook our differences .
WHICH REALLY MEAN SHUT TEH HECK UP ab out SOUND DOCTRINE cause that divides and hey lets all unite under a lie
THEY Got d with a capital D followed with UPED . And why were they so easily duped
and why were they so easily taken into the web of another love from another god and of the darkness .
WHY my near and dear sister , ITS CAUSE THEY ALWAYS LOVED A LIE and had no desire
for to hear ABSOLUTE TRUTH .
And why is that . CAUSE TRUTH EXpoSES their sins that they hold so dearly unto and DO NOT want to forsake .
SO lets create a god in our own image that will give us our sins and a promise of salvation too . T HAT IS RIGHT SISTER .
but sheep dont seem to BITE on that swiss cheese bait they call love .
AND HERE IS WHY .
CAUSE GOD CHANGED a the believers heart , HE drew that beleiver TO THE ONE TRUE JESUS and not some other sin
accepting jesus . AND HE PUT and puts A LOVE FOR HIM , FOR HIS CHRIST and thus FOR HIS WORDS
upon their heart BY THE H OLY GHOST .
I stand in massive doubt of many now s ister . For had one had the SPIRIT OF GOD and OF CHRIST
WHY they h eck would they have loved a lie and not rather TRUTH . And the survey
backed b y the very words of JESUS hismelf and later the aposetls says , CAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVe tHE SPIRIT OF
the HOLY GOD and follow some other god and some other jesus created of men who did tickle that ear to serve that flesh .

 

[Wrangler]

And to think that all this heinous evil goes on in supposed "Christian" nations that "Christian" Nationalists want to "support"

Is that what you think; a reasonable criteria for a nation to advocate for Biblical principles must be 100% sin free?

I remember JFK acknowledging problems in America balanced with at least we don’t have to build a wall to keep our people in.

 

[Wrangler]

There has been a US Chaplains office since the Founding and every Chaplain who held that office for over 200 has been a Christian.

And every American President has been Christian.

 

[amigo de christo]

This referee of the TRUTH calls it like i sees it .
FLAG T HROWN . ILLEGAL use of the word LOVE and cliam it b e of GOD
by this satanic led ecumiencal whore of all whores and her interfaith plan for peace .
PENALTY . sudden destructoin on the day of the LORD by THE LORD
if they repent not of the lie .
Okay game on .

 

[Wrangler]

they let you do it.

Isn’t that consent?