Christianity boils down to believing in the end, there's no other way around it

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I will start by saying that all belief systems are there because we do not know. When you know something, belief becomes unnecessary. You only believe something because you don't know.

I've spoken with many Christians and have done a lot of reading. I'll come across articles by apologetics titled along the lines of '10 signs of proof that God exists' or 'evidence of Jesus' resurrection'.

Now my question is, if there is SO much 'overwhelming evidence' and so much 'proof', why is belief still necessary? Christians clearly consider themselves to be believers in the very end, not knowers. That means they truly don't know, they are simply believing.

I don't believe in believing. I either know or admit I don't know at all. Beliefs are always going to be open to scrutiny and doubt, it is so much work trying to hold onto a belief. The way I see it is that if you just admit you do not know, then that's humility. That's innocence.
The problem is that those who say they know something to be true, there will always be those who say they know that's not true.
For instance, I know God exist, we have evidence all around us that he exists but you will find those who say they know that's not true.
 

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Secular history reading does challenge christian faith, the facts under the sun is repeating unbelief's and beliefs being by the same power does confuse terms called good and evil, both created by Imaginations that are the oldest facts that seem fiction but aren't, Eccl 3:15 is beyond flesh christians ability to except dreams seen and repeated in every centuries, the hints like new age 2000 years ago is flesh belief called dust from missing the meaning of skull Hill since creation started.
Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”
Flesh doubts that under the Christian flesh built churches and temples.
 

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I will start by saying that all belief systems are there because we do not know. When you know something, belief becomes unnecessary. You only believe something because you don't know.

I've spoken with many Christians and have done a lot of reading. I'll come across articles by apologetics titled along the lines of '10 signs of proof that God exists' or 'evidence of Jesus' resurrection'.

Now my question is, if there is SO much 'overwhelming evidence' and so much 'proof', why is belief still necessary? Christians clearly consider themselves to be believers in the very end, not knowers. That means they truly don't know, they are simply believing.

I don't believe in believing. I either know or admit I don't know at all. Beliefs are always going to be open to scrutiny and doubt, it is so much work trying to hold onto a belief. The way I see it is that if you just admit you do not know, then that's humility. That's innocence.
That is what faith is, believing without seeing. The bible says faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen....and without faith, it is impossible to please God.
 

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:Amen:me too...He is so good!


Thank you for the emojis you've added, I just found...lol
Maybe that will be something added but only positive ones. Let the angry ppl write it out in offense. For WE WILL ALL GIVE ACCOUNT TO GOD OF OUR WORDS !
 

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Secular history reading does challenge christian faith..

And their secular challenges fall flat every time, I've been running rings round them on the boards for 20 years..:)
How about it Rock?
"C'mon it's true, nobody's ever gone twelve rounds with Dropship"

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That is what faith is, believing without seeing. The bible says faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen....and without faith, it is impossible to please God.

I was about the say about the say-- we hope for things unseen for what is hoped for that is seen? That is the Christian faith--to hope. I also often use the phrase "I know by faith"; many times by the grace of God my faith is so strong that I *know* these things to be true; but not by my physical senses but by the faith that God has given me.

I will start by saying that all belief systems are there because we do not know. When you know something, belief becomes unnecessary. You only believe something because you don't know.

I've spoken with many Christians and have done a lot of reading. I'll come across articles by apologetics titled along the lines of '10 signs of proof that God exists' or 'evidence of Jesus' resurrection'.

Now my question is, if there is SO much 'overwhelming evidence' and so much 'proof', why is belief still necessary? Christians clearly consider themselves to be believers in the very end, not knowers. That means they truly don't know, they are simply believing.

I don't believe in believing. I either know or admit I don't know at all. Beliefs are always going to be open to scrutiny and doubt, it is so much work trying to hold onto a belief. The way I see it is that if you just admit you do not know, then that's humility. That's innocence.

I felt much the same as you did, animal, until I met my Savior and Lord Jesus in the Gospels. He gave me the spiritual life necessary to believe. Without which, I couldn't believe anything unless I had physical evidence of it (am still very distrustful of things and people). I was not seeking him either. So, there's a chance yet that he may draw you into his kingdom--you can't prevent his Sovereign hand from doing so. Once you spiritually "see" Him, it is impossible to not believe; He is that irresistible.
 

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I was about the say about the say-- we hope for things unseen for what is hoped for that is seen? That is the Christian faith--to hope. I also often use the phrase "I know by faith"; many times by the grace of God my faith is so strong that I *know* these things to be true; but not by my physical senses but by the faith that God has given me.



I felt much the same as you did, animal, until I met my Savior and Lord Jesus in the Gospels. He gave me the spiritual life necessary to believe. Without which, I couldn't believe anything unless I had physical evidence of it (am still very distrustful of things and people). I was not seeking him either. So, there's a chance yet that he may draw you into his kingdom--you can't prevent his Sovereign hand from doing so. Once you spiritually "see" Him, it is impossible to not believe; He is that irresistible.

@dhh712 What you say reminds me of 2 Corinthians 4.16-18:

"16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

I'm also reminded of the words of Horatius Bonar, about remembrance of the Lord Jesus:

"Here, O my Lord, I see Thee face to face;
Here faith can touch and handle things unseen;
Here would I grasp with firmer hand Thy grace,
And all my weariness upon Thee lean."
 
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@Animal2692 -
I will start by saying that all belief systems are there because we do not know. When you know something, belief becomes unnecessary. You only believe something because you don't know.
...other times, belief systems exist because we actually do know' Not all knowledge is truth.
 

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Now my question is, if there is SO much 'overwhelming evidence' and so much 'proof', why is belief still necessary?

Going to heaven, is solely based on believing something, specific.
Not going to heaven, is solely based on not believing something, specific.

God offers something indescribable to this world, to everyone, that is referred to as '"So Great a Salvation". John 3:16 & 2 Corinthians 5:19

3 Things make it "so Great......a Salvation."

1.) The Cost. The Cost of God's Salvation , cost Him His Son's Life, = the Cost of gaining Eternal Salvation for us was Torture and Death for JESUS.

2.) Salvation proves just how much God loves you and me. CHRIST died for us to prove it. = God First LOVED US.

3.) That God offers this Salvation as a Gift.... A FREE GifT....."The GIFT of Salvation".....that we dont deserve and can never earn.
 

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There is a difference between "believing" and having something stirred in your soul......that will tell the clear difference of who or what your god is.
 

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I don't believe in believing.

Let me ask you a few questions....

Does Truth Exist?
If it does, (and it does), would you be willing to believe in Truth?

Would TRUTH be something you could value, and believe in and trust?

If so, let me show you, real TRUTH, Perfect Truth, and Eternal Truth.

A.) It's Jesus.

Jesus said....."i am THE Truth"......not "a" truth, or 'some"...

But "THE Truth."
He then proved it by being raised from the Dead, after dying on the Cross our sin.

The only real truth you will find in this world, is what i just told you.

Its Jesus.

How do you personally find that out?
By finding out,...... just like i did, and just like all real believers find out when they turn their heart and their faith to Jesus.
 

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Behold, you can lead a horse to water. but you cant make it drink.....you are just beating a dead horse....people just don't respond to the "Believe and be saved" doctrine anymore....you must stir up their soul....you must show them something that hasn't been hammered in a million times before.....otherwise the wine becomes old and stale. Seek out god and ask for new methods of spreading your belief/message. A new way of delivery. You might have more positive feedback and help others truly.
 

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Behold, you can lead a horse to water. but you cant make it drink.....you are just beating a dead horse....people just don't respond to the "Believe and be saved" doctrine anymore...

Sure they do.
Thousands responded to the offer of Salvation, today, yesterday and tomorrow.

God does not require us to entertain someone into heaven...
All we need to do, and should do is share the Good news with them... John 3:16. & 2 Corinthians 5:19

Why?

Because Jesus said...>"if I be lifted up, (on the Cross) i will draw all people to me"... And so, that is what we are doing when we tell them about the Cross and what Jesus has done for them, that proves GOD's LOVE for them.
And everyone, wants to be loved. Needs love......Hopes for love... and GOD has provided His for them.
That is what im doing when i tell someone about the Cross. Im just offering them the LOVE of GOD, and everyone wants it.
They really do.....They really do.

Paul teaches this sharing of God's love.. being received ... as "Faith comes by hearing"... = Hearing the Truth, hearing the Gospel.

AceWestfall08.....God does the saving, and the believers are to do the sharing of the Love of God who is Jesus on the Cross.

Its The Holy Spirit who takes the sharing of the Cross directly into the heart of a hearer or reader (same thing)..., and "DRAWS THEM" to God's Love, which is God's Salvation.
 

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Yes, we speak the Gospel, the truth, and the Lord must stir the heart. We can only lead them to the water, it is God who must make them drink. God commands us to share the good news. What is done with his word is up to him.
 
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Yes, we speak the Gospel, the truth, and the Lord must stir the heart. We can only lead them to the water, it is God who must make them drink. God commands us to share the good news. What is done with his word is up to him.

God leaves the effort to us, and we leave the results to God.
 
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