Christianity is NOT Derived From Judaism

[Soyeong]

What don't you understand about Apostle Paul declaring that God gave Abraham The Gospel Faith BY PROMISE first, before the giving of the law?

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace, which is in accordance with Jesus being sent in fulfillment of the promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which is the Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the promise (Galatians 3:8), and which he spread to those in Haran in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:1-5).

In Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bing to him all that He has promised. In Genesis 26:4-5, God will multiply Abraham's children as the stars in the heaven, to His children He will give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth shall be blessed because he heard God's voice and guarded His charge, commandments, statutes, and laws. In Deuteronomy 30:16, if the children of Abraham will love God with all of their hearts by walking in His way in obedience to His commandments, statutes, and laws, then they will live and multiply and God will bless them in the land that they go to possess. So the promise was made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of his household to do that in accordance with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace, and because they did that in obedience to the Torah.

In Psalm 119:1-3, the Torah is how the children of Abraham know how to blessed by walking in God's way, and in John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doers of the same works as him, so the way that the children of Abraham are multiplied and are a blessing to the nations in accordance with inheriting the promise through faith is by turning the nations from their wickedness and by teaching them to do the same works as Abraham by walking in His way in obedience to the Torah in accordance with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace.

 

[amigo de christo]

These Pre-Date the second Temple.
They also Pre-Date the first Temple.
They also Pre-Date Abraham

Christianity Pre-Dates Judaism, because CHRIST means MESSIAH and MESSIAH was Prophesied FIRST by GOD

and if any wants to see this let them open bible and begin in genesis .
AND SEE what GOD clothed man with . For without the shedding of blood there is NO REMISSION for sins .
Ever wonder why EVEN the first born abel Was a bringing sacfices of sheep unto GOD .
ALL points to THE CHRIST of GOD , UNTO GOD as the only savoir and redeemer of humanity .
And if they reject HIS CHRIST , they REJECT THE ONE TRUE GOD . And much weeping will be heard by
all who rejected THE CHRIST of GOD on judg ment day . BUT much praises with loads of thanksgivings
and crowns being tossed at the FEET of CHRIST by SHEEP on JESUS DAY .
cause we sheep KNOW it was SOLEY BY HIM we were saved and redeemed and reconciled to GOD and have eternal life .
FOR HE is THE TRUTH , THE WAY and THE LIFE and none can come to the FATHER but BY HIM .
Now to the trenches david f or we have much work to do in this last hour upon earth .

 

[Lambano]

You and anyone else pushing the judeo-Christian Narrative is ignorant or a liar.

No. If you're worshipping the Jewish God and following a Jewish Messiah and reading the Hebrew scriptures and practicing sacraments derived from Jewish rituals, your religion is derived from Judaism. That's an historical fact, and there is no way around it.

Are you too proud to admit you're related to "those people"? You're treating the Jews the same way they treated their cousins the Samaritans. Jesus showed you a better way. Now stop it. Repent!

 

[Lambano]

Afraid not. Judaism was a corruption that began by the crept in unawares among the tribe of Judah mainly, like the Kenites, one of the nations of Canaan that became Israel's scribes.

None of that matters. If you're worshipping the Jewish God and following a Jewish Messiah and reading the Hebrew scriptures and practicing sacraments derived from Jewish rituals, your religion is derived from Judaism. That is a historical fact, and nothing changes it.

Do you think you're too good to associate with those sinners and tax collectors like the Jews? You're doing just what they did. Jesus showed you a better way. Now stop it. Repent of your pride and your prejudices!

 

[Marvelloustime]

and if any wants to see this let them open bible and begin in genesis .
AND SEE what GOD clothed man with . For without the shedding of blood there is NO REMISSION for sins .
Ever wonder why EVEN the first born abel Was a bringing sacfices of sheep unto GOD .
ALL points to THE CHRIST of GOD , UNTO GOD as the only savoir and redeemer of humanity .
And if they reject HIS CHRIST , they REJECT THE ONE TRUE GOD . And much weeping will be heard by
all who rejected THE CHRIST of GOD on judg ment day . BUT much praises with loads of thanksgivings
and crowns being tossed at the FEET of CHRIST by SHEEP on JESUS DAY .
cause we sheep KNOW it was SOLEY BY HIM we were saved and redeemed and reconciled to GOD and have eternal life .
FOR HE is THE TRUTH , THE WAY and THE LIFE and none can come to the FATHER but BY HIM .
Now to the trenches david f or we have much work to do in this last hour upon earth .

@amigo de christo

 

[Davy]

I understand that.
The Abrahamic Promises took up a couple months in college.
What do you think they are?

Apostle Paul mentions both ideas in Galatians 3, God's Promise by Faith, which is about The Gospel first given through Abraham, and also God's promises to Abraham and the seed, which Paul made a distinction.

Gal 3:14
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

That is the Promise by Faith that I have been talking about. It is The Gospel Faith, and those in Christ Jesus today have believed that SAME Promise by Faith that Abraham believed. This is why Paul said those of Faith have become the children of Abraham, because Abraham was given and believed in that "promise of the Spirit through faith". That Promise is distinct from the other promises God gave Abraham and the seed, so I'm not going to go there, because it mean leaving the subject of The Gospel first preached to Abraham as the main Promise Paul spoke of in Galatians 3.

 

[Grailhunter]

Apostle Paul mentions both ideas in Galatians 3, God's Promise by Faith, which is about The Gospel first given through Abraham, and also God's promises to Abraham and the seed, which Paul made a distinction.

Gal 3:14
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

That is the Promise by Faith that I have been talking about. It is The Gospel Faith, and those in Christ Jesus today have believed that SAME Promise by Faith that Abraham believed. This is why Paul said those of Faith have become the children of Abraham, because Abraham was given and believed in that "promise of the Spirit through faith". That Promise is distinct from the other promises God gave Abraham and the seed, so I'm not going to go there, because it mean leaving the subject of The Gospel first preached to Abraham as the main Promise Paul spoke of in Galatians 3.

Again and again....
I was talking about the fact that the word promise does not occur in the Old Testament.
There was never a question that those in the New Testament considered what Yahweh said to Abraham were promises.
Now do you know what the said "Abrahamic promise" were?

 

[Davy]

What do you call the religion that is based on following the Torah?

The old covenant.

The idea of 'religion' is man's terminology. When Apostle Paul used it that was to point to men's working, not God's.

 

[Davy]

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace, ....

That thinking is error.

The Promise by Faith, The Gospel, is by FAITH only, and not by the law (Torah, or first five books of Moses). The Promise by Faith was first given through Abraham; Torah was given 430 years later through Moses. Thus there is a major difference between the old covenant, and The New Covenant Jesus Christ...

Heb 8:10
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put My laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people:
KJV

The Blessing of Abraham given also to the Gentiles, by Faith, is about God putting His laws into our hearts and minds by His Promise of The Spirit, i.e., The Holy Spirit. That is what Lord Jesus Christ accomplished on His cross, offering all that believe the remission of sins unto everlasting life. This Torah could not do, nor ever do, as Apostle Paul so declares...

Gal 3:2-5
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth He it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
KJV

Gal 3:11-14
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

Gal 3:21-22
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
KJV

 

[Davy]

None of that matters. If you're worshipping the Jewish God and following a Jewish Messiah and reading the Hebrew scriptures and practicing sacraments derived from Jewish rituals, your religion is derived from Judaism. That is a historical fact, and nothing changes it.

Do you think you're too good to associate with those sinners and tax collectors like the Jews? You're doing just what they did. Jesus showed you a better way. Now stop it. Repent of your pride and your prejudices!

You've gone off the table with that. What I have been doing is pointing to the ORIGIN of where MEN'S DOCTRINES ORIGINATE, and that includes among my Christian brethren. And how I understand that is because GOD wrote about it in HIS WORD, thus He wants us to KNOW ABOUT IT.

Jude 3-4
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

That warning wasn't written so those in Christ can sit on their laurels and just pray Christ's enemies won't work against them. No, for God warned His faithful in His Word about it so as to make His faithful AWARE, and prevent that creeping in among HIS congregation.

Judg 2:1-3
2 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, "I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break My covenant with you.
2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed My voice: why have ye done this?
3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
KJV

Judg 2:11-13
11 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim:
12 And they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, Which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the LORD to anger.
13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.
KJV

Judg 2:20-22
20 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and He said, "Because that this people hath transgressed My covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto My voice;
21 I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations which Joshua left when he died:
22 That through them I may prove Israel, whether they will keep the way of the LORD to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not."
KJV

 

[Davy]

Again and again....
I was talking about the fact that the word promise does not occur in the Old Testament.
There was never a question that those in the New Testament considered what Yahweh said to Abraham were promises.
Now do you know what the said "Abrahamic promise" were?

Like I said, I am not going to go into the 'other' blessings that God gave to Abraham by promise. And yes, of course I know what those are too, and probably some things about them as to where they went when they left Jerusalem ending with Zedekiah, king of Judah, that you don't... know.

 

[Grailhunter]

Like I said, I am not going to go into the 'other' blessings that God gave to Abraham by promise. And yes, of course I know what those are too, and probably some things about them as to where they went when they left Jerusalem ending with Zedekiah, king of Judah, that you don't... know.

What do you think I do not know? LOL