Behold
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Of course you can.
This is why the 1st Commandment exists.
See, if you could not do that, it would not Exist.
It can be done.
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Christianity requires fear, guilt, and conformity
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Of course you can.
This is why the 1st Commandment exists.
See, if you could not do that, it would not Exist.
It can be done.
BarneyFife
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Behold
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Of course, you are right. Salvation is, indeed, by works of the law.
Originally you said that we can't love God .
I said we certainly can.
Now you have posted something that is not related.
ok then.
BarneyFife
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What I said is that we cannot, of ourselves, give the heart to God. Just as God made the coats of skins to cover the Edenic pair's nakedness, and as Jesus stands at the door and knocks at our hearts—not the other way around, and as God giveth repentance to Israel, etc., etc.
But, hey, if an insatiable urge to correct others that I would never attribute to you compels you to persist in a legalistic form of grace I know you would never espouse...
I promise not to get into a twist about it.
Behold
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Are you John Calvin?
What you are saying is that God causes us to Love Him, and give our life to Him, because we are a hand puppet and have no free will to love God of our own accord.
Is that what you are saying, posting, thinking?
BarneyFife
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Curses! Foiled again! You got me. I'm just a big, fat TULIP peddler!! Ask @Johann. He knows about me.
Johann
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Think there is a mistake here Barn'-I believe in freewill-so show me my post where I have said-"no such thing as freewill"
Thanks
Johann.
BarneyFife
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I'm sure we can clear it up quite satisfactorily.
I know you do, Brother; I do too (although I'm not too crazy about the label), and I know you're not real big on sarcasm, but I thought that was what we were doin", so...
Don't you remember me giving you that paper challenging predeterminism when you first got here?
Johann
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When I first joined here-I flooded this Forum with the teachings of Calvin-remember?I'm sure we can clear it up quite satisfactorily.
I know you do, Brother; I do too (although I'm not too crazy about the label), and I know you're not real big on sarcasm, but I thought that was what we were doin", so...
Don't you remember me giving you that paper challenging predeterminism when you first got here?
Well-I don't anymore, not on T.U.L.I.P.
John Calvin ascribed "free will" to all people in the sense that they act "voluntarily, and not by compulsion." He elaborated his position by allowing "that man has choice and that it is self-determined" and that his actions stem from "his own voluntary choosing."
Kindly send me a link that you gave me challenging predeterminism Barn.
Johann.
BarneyFife
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Like it was yersterday. You kicked up quite a scuffle, Rocky.
And you're welcome!
I'll try to track it down. I don't remember if it was through a forum thread or PM (the latter, I think), but I'm pretty sure I have it buried somewhere on an external hard disk.
If I can't find it I'll just send you a link to an article I used to refresh me on most of the material. It's slightly intra-denominational, so it might be a bit odd to you, though.
BarneyFife
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Behold
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Lets hope not.
Ive a recent story about that...
A few days ago, im on a "new" forum. And i can tell right away after joining that its a Hyper Calvinism Cross Denying Spiritual Death Camp.
Many Threads started by the mods and administrators that are "no or semi- free will".. 'Limited atonement"..."Pre-destined this". "Pre-destined that"..
You know... "rampant infectious John Calvinism"..
So, i posted on This Forum some advanced = "anti-Calvinism"...
I simply told them that :
God is not a Calvinist
Jesus is not a Calvinist
Paul is not a Calvinist
The Mods and Administrators came running..
They told me. :
"you are attacking CHRISTIANITY"...
= "Attacking Christianity"
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Johann
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Thank you kindly my brother Barn.
Seems I cause a stir wherever I go-here, and where I am.
Love you Barn
Johann.
BarneyFife
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What're we gonna do with ya?
On second thought, maybe we better fix me first. I think I'm worse off.
Love you, Rock!
Love you, Rock!
Being from Philly and being an Italian, Rocky holds a special place in my heart!
I think I should clarify what I meant by the above. I was born and raised in Philadelphia and lived there for the first 24 years of my life. Then moved to 10 blocks from the beach in Jersey and then Upstate, NY before coming to Florida.
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BarneyFife
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Johann
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Lol!!
Lol! You still remember! I like Rocky.What're we gonna do with ya?
On second thought, maybe we better fix me first. I think I'm worse off.
Love you, Rock!
Johann
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