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Sorry but I am not conversant with idea that a baby is an it.
He didn't say baby. He said fetus. It doesn't become a baby for many weeks after conception.
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Sorry but I am not conversant with idea that a baby is an it.
The question is what is your acceptance criteria? I appeal to you as a reasonable and educated person. As the Bible says @ Isaiah 1:18, "Let us reason together."
Recently, I've been studying the controversial historical figure, General Douglas MacArthur. In answering the question should he have been fired for insubordination, one must develop or establish a pass/fail criteria. Answering one way or the other with no foundation, refusing to acknowledge facts contrary to your unfounded answer and then not even express what your pass/fail criteria is, is not a mature, deliberate assessment of the inquiry before you.
In my study of MacArthur, I learned a lot about him prior to this event, which occurred very late in his life. (He was about 71 when it happened). Like most things in life, his story is rich in context. How did you arrive at your conclusion (what is your pass/fail criteria) is a reasonable question. Given that we disagree - and presuming we are reasonable people - there is either a discrepancy about the facts or the standard by which those facts are judged. Right now, your post just seem petulant and I'm giving you the chance to bolster the validity of your denial.
Thanks for your straight forward answer.around the 8th week of pregnancy is where the brain has begun to develop.
Doesn't that contradict above?I don't personally get too hung up on the specific time
I agree those who are incapable of making reason based decision, including those in a coma, do not have rights by definition. It seems to me you are skipping over a fundamental truth. The "developing organism" IS a living human being.I simply and rationally accept that for a number of weeks after conception all you really have is a developing organism with no brain or nervous system and therefore not a human being with rights.
I could accept that as a compromise. I know the pro-abortion crowed cannot tolerate any restrictions on baby killing.It's a very personal choice to make and it should always be her choice up to that cut off point of around 8 weeks.
Is a pile of dough a loaf of bread?Sorry but I am not conversant with idea that a baby is an it.
Those are just your Taliban-like tendencies talking where they seek to preserve the Islamic State. This is not the Christian State, this is America. The Constitution makes no reference to God, get over it. John Adams equated morality with religion which he equated to “just being good”, not organized religion. Even the establishment clause creates a clear separation between church and state.I realize you are stubbornly holding to a false believe. Again, I ask what set of facts would convince you that America is a Christian nation? What would have to happen for you to acknowledge the culture of America, the people and its government are Christian?
Nope. It simply means it might be 8 weeks to 12 weeks or around about then. I'm not too bothered which it is.Thanks for your straight forward answer.
Doesn't that contradict above?
Your "fundamental truth" is sadly not a truth at all. It's actually a falsehood of fundamentalists !I agree those who are incapable of making reason based decision, including those in a coma, do not have rights by definition. It seems to me you are skipping over a fundamental truth. The "developing organism" IS a living human being.
- Living human being without rights
- Human being with rights.
Again what we are talking about is not "people" and so your point is meaningless. Removing an organism from your body is like removing an appendix and there's no reason why someone should not choose to do so.However, there is something very wrong, very sick about a society who feels it appropriate to kill people in reaction to facing an inconvenience, undesired consequences of their choices.
Again, I ask what set of facts would convince you that America is a Christian nation? What would have to happen for you to acknowledge the culture of America, the people and its government are Christian?
OK. So, your acceptance criteria is ONLY if the Constitution makes reference to God are we a Christian nation. Great! Cause guess what? The Constitution references God, not just once but TWICE.The Constitution makes no reference to God, get over it.
This is your invented standard to rationalize sacrificing children to Baal.A human being needs a brain.
Will never be? You are self-deceived. Babies do develop a brain and the capacity to choose. They just need time. This is different than your desperate claim that they are dehumanized and are incapable of ever having a brain. You are just playing word games.A fertilised egg, a zygote, a blastocyst, an organism with no brain, IS NOT A BABY or a human being nor ever will be.
Again, you are denying test tube babies exist.You would do well to be honest about this for outside of that early stage of pregnancy, once there is actually a baby in the womb I have sympathy with the anti-abortion cause.
There you go again, sadly dehumanizing people who have a temporary disability.Again what we are talking about is not "people" and so your point is meaningless.
No it's science and medical fact. Have you ever met a human being without a brain?!!This is your invented standard to rationalize sacrificing children to Baal.
<sigh> A person without a brain is not a different species. Your claim of it being science and a medical fact is plain wrong. You just keep making up your own standard. From humanNo it's science and medical fact.
Frequently, especially online. Maybe they are bots.Have you ever met a human being without a brain?!!
You're getting confused again.Will never be? You are self-deceived. Babies do develop a brain and the capacity to choose.
I've never stated they are incapable of ever having a brain. What a strange thing to claim!They just need time. This is different than your desperate claim that they are dehumanized and are incapable of ever having a brain.
You are just playing word games.
If we call the baby a fertilised egg, a zygote, a blastocyst it is still a living human with human DNA.
Again, you are denying test tube babies exist.
Word games. The baby is human from the start. It does not become human. It becomes a human with a brain.There is no "baby" without a brain. There is only an organism.