Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Truther]

Folks who say Scripture blew it, are of course, blowing it.

But most of the time it is readers blowing interpretation of Scripture.

My knowledge of the Acts 2:38 people, is that they are Oneness, as you say, in that the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son, and there is only One person in the Godhead. And so, you come to Acts 2:38, and therefore make it the necessary blueprint of recital at baptism in order to be saved.

1. Oneness is false doctrine:

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one. (John 17)

If the Father is the Son, and the Son is the Father, then for us to be one even as They are One, then I would have to be you, and you would have to be me, etc...

There would be no distinction of persons and souls in the body of Christ, even as there is supposedly no distinction of Persons in the Godhead.

And so, Scriptural oneness is that of perfect unity, not of being one and the same person.

2. Acts 2:38 is one among several Scriptures teaching baptism in Christ: baptizing in the name of the Lord, in the name of the Lord Jesus, in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

The last one is where you apply Oneness, and so insist the name of all three is Jesus Christ.

Which may indeed be true, since like Father, like Son, and so the Father giving His personal name to His onlybegotten and beloved Son.

3. But Baptism does not necessarily save, nor is it necessary to be saved.

Without faith, baptism, even as circumcision, is of none effect, and by faith we are saved through grace with confession of the Lord Jesus.

Baptism is a 1st principle of the doctrine of Christ, for them that believe and are saved by grace through confession of faith.

We are not saved by grace through faith and baptism.

4. Therefore, them that refuse to be outwardly baptised acknowledge their own unbelief and shame of Christ, but to judge salvation in others by whether they are baptized upon a certain formula of recited words is false accusation, being contrary to all Scripture of God about necessary faith:

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Likewise, vain repetition at baptism.

Scripture doesn't record anything said, when Stephen baptized the Ethiopian. If a formula of words must be exactly repeated, in order for baptism to be honored by God, then Scripture would most certainly repeat the formula itself.

'In the name of the Lord' first and foremost means with His authority, even if His name is not spoken at the time:

And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

We are to do all things in the name of the Lord, by faith of the Lord Jesus, not by speaking His name whenever we do something, or wherever we go. That would be vain repetition indeed.

And so, those who refuse baptism, acknowledge unbelief and shame, but those not baptized to a particular formula are saved by confession of faith in Jesus, whether before or during baptism in water.

I am a different kind of oneness. A first century kind. Before the RCC got involved.
My kind of oneness teaches God inside the man Christ Jesus, unifying them as one.
Neither oneness or trinity agree with this.
I also teach Jesus was made God by default after his God raised him from the dead.
This is called the Col 2:9 effect on him.
We saw God through Jesus on earth, and still see God through the omnipresent man Christ Jesus today

 

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I also teach Jesus was made God by default after his God raised him from the dead.
This is called the Col 2:9 effect on him.

this is nothing more than the 2nd century heresy of adoptionism, also known as "the low view of Christ"

no one 'becomes god' -- that's pantheistic garbage.
from everlasting to everlasting, He is God.

 

[post]

Christians and Jews are anti baptism? That sounds like an MSM headline to pull in clicks.

he boasts of being a false teacher for many years.
he's been wrong since way back; we're supposed to admire that.

 

[Truther]

this is nothing more than the 2nd century heresy of adoptionism, also known as "the low view of Christ"

no one 'becomes god' -- that's pantheistic garbage.
from everlasting to everlasting, He is God.

Adoption is not what we’re talking about. Jesus was not adopted. He was fully indwelled of all of what God consists of, bodily. You need to really try to understand Colossians 2:9, per Paul’s perspective.

You are a Roman Catholic in your idea that God became Jesus.

 

[Truther]

this is nothing more than the 2nd century heresy of adoptionism, also known as "the low view of Christ"

no one 'becomes god' -- that's pantheistic garbage.
from everlasting to everlasting, He is God.

Even when God was microscopic in the ovaries of Mary? Oh that’s right, you don’t like to think about that.

 

[Truther]

he boasts of being a false teacher for many years.
he's been wrong since way back; we're supposed to admire that.

The thing to admire is that I am willing to say that I was hooked in presupposition like you are. I shook the hook which you cannot. At least I can admit it. You are still a Roman Catholic type teaching, incarnationist.

 

[Truther]

Post, Do you believe that all of God is inside Jesus? If not, how much of God is inside Jesus as Paul taught per Colossians 2:9?

 

[post]

Even when God was microscopic in the ovaries of Mary? Oh that’s right, you don’t like to think about that.

no, you just *think* i don't.

your supposed trump card is called "The Holy Thing" ((Luke 1:35))


you should embrace your apostasy. then you would at least be an honest man.

 

[post]

Post, Do you believe that all of God is inside Jesus? If not, how much of God is inside Jesus as Paul taught per Colossians 2:9?

Christ is God, as the scripture testifies.

God is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, and from everlasting to everlasting He is God.


instead of pretending you aren't an antichrist false teacher denying that Christ came in the flesh, you ought to embrace and glory in it.
you would then be at least counted an honest man, instead of duplicitous.
just think, you could say you've got this new theology ((which isn't new)), you understand some hidden secret religion.
like the gnostic heretic that you are.
why be fake?

 

[post]

The thing to admire is that I am willing to say that I was hooked in presupposition like you are. I shook the hook which you cannot. At least I can admit it. You are still a Roman Catholic type teaching, incarnationist.

seriously who cares that you've been leading people astray for years with your lies.
do you think i expected something different?

what, blame the RCC for everything? your little religion of misplaced hatred?
you think that's some kind of 'new insight' or special revelation?
something to boast about?

dude. like a thousand years old.
what's next, "jesuit blah blah" to make yourself sound intelligent?

lawl.

Christ is God.
God is the First and the Last.
from everlasting to everlasting.
He is from above - pre-existing as God and having humbled Himself taking the form of a man.
you have vanity, deceit, confusion, pantheism & gnosticism -- not arguments.
embrace it. be an honest man.

 

[post]

Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true,
for I know where I came from and where I am going;
but you do not know where I come from and where I am going.
(John 8:14)​

work out His logic:
how does He say this?
He is God, incarnate.
it's inescapable. you have to deny the truth in order to cling to your petty gnosticism.

and now i will watch you do so:

 

[Truther]

no, you just *think* i don't.

your supposed trump card is called "The Holy Thing" ((Luke 1:35))


you should embrace your apostasy. then you would at least be an honest man.

So you agree with me that the son of God originated as a sperm cell mated with an egg cell?

Or, was he artificially inseminated as a fetus?

 

[Truther]

seriously who cares that you've been leading people astray for years with your lies.
do you think i expected something different?

what, blame the RCC for everything? your little religion of misplaced hatred?
you think that's some kind of 'new insight' or special revelation?
something to boast about?

dude. like a thousand years old.
what's next, "jesuit blah blah" to make yourself sound intelligent?

lawl.

Christ is God.
God is the First and the Last.
from everlasting to everlasting.
He is from above - pre-existing as God and having humbled Himself taking the form of a man.
you have vanity, deceit, confusion, pantheism & gnosticism -- not arguments.
embrace it. be an honest man.

Did God humble himself to the devil and wicked men per Philippians 2?

 

[Truther]

Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true,
for I know where I came from and where I am going;
but you do not know where I come from and where I am going.
(John 8:14)​

work out His logic:
how does He say this?
He is God, incarnate.
it's inescapable. you have to deny the truth in order to cling to your petty gnosticism.

and now i will watch you do so:

Did you know that the first Adam was made in the likeness of the last Adam? Did you know that this is speaking of human form? Did you know that the image of God is human form? Did you know that the man Christ Jesus was there with God from the beginning? Did you know that the man Christ Jesus was crucified before the foundation of the world? Did you know…

 

[robert derrick]

I am a different kind of oneness. A first century kind. Before the RCC got involved.
My kind of oneness teaches God inside the man Christ Jesus, unifying them as one.
Neither oneness or trinity agree with this.
I also teach Jesus was made God by default after his God raised him from the dead.
This is called the Col 2:9 effect on him.
We saw God through Jesus on earth, and still see God through the omnipresent man Christ Jesus today

It's the Pentecostal oneness I am referring to.

They were one in unity from everlasting.

The God of Israel called Jehovah, The Word of God by whom all things were created, and spoke with His people from the mount, then spoke with them on earth, when He became a man born of a woman, and called Jesus. Now, He is the risen God of Israel, the Lamb of God: the man Christ Jesus.

There is no default with the everlasting and true God, Jesus Christ

 

[Truther]

It's the Pentecostal oneness I am referring to.

They were one in unity from everlasting.

The God of Israel called Jehovah, The Word of God by whom all things were created, and spoke with His people from the mount, then spoke with them on earth, when He became a man born of a woman, and called Jesus. Now, He is the risen God of Israel, the Lamb of God: the man Christ Jesus.

There is no default with the everlasting and true God, Jesus Christ

God was born of a woman?

Was she sinless?

Think of the implications of being the son of a sinner.

Right, then Jesus had an Adamic side to his person.

He could have sinned if he wanted to.

Thank God that ”God” did not sin, huh?

 

[robert derrick]

God was born of a woman?

Yes, the God of Israel, who came to provide Himself a burnt offering of sin, to fulfill the prophecy of Abraham to Isaac.

The God of Israel was the Word and the Word was God, and the Word was made flesh.

He called Himself Jehovah to Moses, and now as the risen God of Israel, His name is called Jesus according to the Scripture, which is the name above every name forever.

 

[Truther]

Yes, the God of Israel, who came to provide Himself a burnt offering of sin, to fulfill the prophecy of Abraham to Isaac.

The God of Israel was the Word and the Word was God, and the Word was made flesh.

He called Himself Jehovah to Moses, and now as the risen God of Israel, His name is called Jesus according to the Scripture, which is the name above every name forever.

Was Mary, God’s mother, a sinner?

 

[Truther]

Yes, the God of Israel, who came to provide Himself a burnt offering of sin, to fulfill the prophecy of Abraham to Isaac.

The God of Israel was the Word and the Word was God, and the Word was made flesh.

He called Himself Jehovah to Moses, and now as the risen God of Israel, His name is called Jesus according to the Scripture, which is the name above every name forever.

God was with God in the beginning?

Or, the spoken word of God was with God in the beginning?

 

[robert derrick]

God was with God in the beginning?

Or, the spoken word of God was with God in the beginning?

Jesus is not the 'spoken' Word. He is the Word: God. A Person of the Godhead.

And so both, God the Word was with God, as well as God the Spirit.

Three Persons in the Godhead. All One in perfect unity.

When the Word became flesh born of a woman, then Scripture refers to God the Father and the Son of God.

That new relationship between them will continue forever as God and the Lamb sitting inn the same throne. (Rev 22:1)