Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Christ4Me]

No. They were led to water baptism by the Holy Ghost.

We don't bury folks alive.

If you are not doing that by water baptism in burying them alive, why would you apply that to the baptism with the Holy Ghost for every one that comes to & believes in Him are born of the Spirit & thus saved as promised by Jesus's own words over and over again? John 3:7-18

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Which ones?

communion and baptism.

 

[post]

I see many Christians attacking the Jewish beliefs for rejecting Christ but the reality is, that Christians that do not obey Acts 2:38 are as disobedient as the Jews that rejected Peter in the first century.

There is no difference to God.

We are either part of the 1st century church via Acts 2:38 obedience or we are not via disobedience to Acts 2:38.

If we disobey it, we are not of the 3000 at Pentecost, but we are as the Sanhedrin and it's "followers of God".

There is no grey area with God. Peter provided no grey area to the murderers of Jesus, nor to us in the modern world.

I am amazed at the voluntary blindness I see towards the solution to the sinners of Acts these days.

It would be a cold day in hell when most modern Christians would get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins as Peter commanded them in Acts 2:38.

Peter has been shunned by the Christian community right before the return of Christ, in these days.

Blindness in part has not just happened to Israel as per Romans 11, but to Christians also.

i have never met an unbaptized Christian so...

 

[Truther]

i have never met an unbaptized Christian so...

There are millions of them

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

There are millions of them

and how would you know this??

 

[Truther]

and how would you know this??

They teach baptism is unnecessary these days. Where you been?

 

[Truther]

communion and baptism.

Baptism is a NT command, not an ordinance. Communion is an option

 

[Truther]

and how would you know this??

I listen to them preach.

 

[Truther]

If you are not doing that by water baptism in burying them alive, why would you apply that to the baptism with the Holy Ghost for every one that comes to & believes in Him are born of the Spirit & thus saved as promised by Jesus's own words over and over again? John 3:7-18

The baptism of the Holy Ghost does not remit sins. Only water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ remits sins. If somebody receives the Holy Ghost, it is given for them to get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. The born-again process is not complete unless someone is baptized for the remission of their sins.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

They teach baptism is unnecessary these days. Where you been?

unlike you, in a church where we do child baptizing rather often.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Baptism is a NT command, not an ordinance. Communion is an option

well, as usual, you’re wrong. Im putting you in the same category as robert derrick, heretical. I gotta say, you have to try to be this bad at theology. It shows that you dont goto church. At this point, you actually getting some theology right would be the surprise.

 

[Truther]

unlike you, in a church where we do child baptizing rather often.

The Roman Catholic Church baptizes but the Protestants have run away from water baptism in the last few decades.

 

[Truther]

well, as usual, you’re wrong. Im putting you in the same category as robert derrick, heretical. I gotta say, you have to try to be this bad at theology. It shows that you dont goto church. At this point, you actually getting some theology right would be the surprise.

Is Acts 2:38 bad theology too? I just got out of church about an hour ago.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

2 ordinances.
WCF chpt 27, part 4.
“There be only two sacraments ordained by Christ our Lord in the Gospel; that is to say, baptism, and the Supper of the Lord: neither of which may be dispensed by any, but by a minister of the Word lawfully ordained.”

 

[Christ4Me]

The baptism of the Holy Ghost does not remit sins. Only water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ remits sins. If somebody receives the Holy Ghost, it is given for them to get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. The born-again process is not complete unless someone is baptized for the remission of their sins.

I'd said and quoted Peter's words in Acts 10:43 to the Gentiles that believing in Him is how one receives the remission of sins and thereby the promise of the Holy Ghost at their salvation.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

But the Gentiles were saved before water baptism so water baptism is not the means for the remission of sins, but repenting from unbelief by believing in Jesus Christ is for both parties; the Jews & the Greek.

Water baptism is an ordinance for new believers in taking the first step in being His disciples in following Him. It cannot be for salvation.

In Acts 8:12-17, these "potential believers" believed in the "things" Philip was preaching about but were following him around out of fanfare to see all the miracles supposedly seen by the people as coming from him. They were not coming to & believing in Jesus Christ but to Philip to see miracles. That was why they had not received the promise of the Holy Spirit even though they were water baptized in Jesus's name.\

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

So water baptism did not bring remission of sins for these sinners when they were only potential believers in Jesus Christ.

Nothing in the context says the Gentiles were saved prior to being water baptized for remission of sins.

---Acts 11 Peter says the Gentiles would be saved by "words" and those saving words included the command to be water baptized which is the "like manner way" (Acts 15:11) Jew and Gentile are saved. The Jews in Acts 2 were water baptized, not baptized with the Holy Spirit so baptism with the Holy Spirit is not the "like manner way" Jews in Acts 2 and Gentiles Acts 10 were saved.

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---the Jews tho't salvation was only for them, not the Gentiles, since the Jews were the descendants of Abraham. The reason God 1) gave Peter a vision and 2) baptized the Gentiles with the HS and they spoke in tongues was to prove to the Jew salvation was also for the "clean" Gentiles. Acts 11:1 Peter was criticized by the Jews in Jerusalem for going to the Gentiles. Peter retells those Jews the events that took place in Acts 10 including the vision and the Gentles having the HS fall upon them. The result of God doing these two things convinced the Jews salvation was to go to the Gentiles..."When they (Jews in Jerusalem) heard these things (vision & baptism w/HS), they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." (Acts 11:18). So baptism with the HS had nothing to do with the personal salvation of Cornelius but baptism with the HS was God proving to the Jew salvation was also for the Gentile.

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---in Acts 11 when Peter was explaining to the Jews in Jerusalem why he went to the Gentiles "Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them," (Acts 11:4). Hence Peter told the events of Acts 10 to the Jews in Jerusalem "by order" as those events happened. In Acts 11:14-15 Peter then says "Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning." Peter says in v15 as he BEGAN to speak those saving words of v14 the HS fell upon them. So Cornelius had not even heard those saving words yet when the HS fell upon him. So again, baptism with the HS had nothing to do with the personal salvation of Cornelius, it was water baptism by which he would be saved, it was water baptism commanded to him, not baptism with the HS. Water baptism remits sins, baptism with the HS does not for it did not save Cornelius nor were the Jews in Acts 2 baptized with the HS but water baptism.

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---Water baptism has been commanded to man so man is culpable for failing to obey that command. Baptism with the HS is not command so it cannot be obeyed. Only God administers baptism with the HS therefore if one as not been baptized with the HS that would be God's culpability. Yet God has no culpability because baptism with the HS does not remit sin.....that baptism has been obsolete for some 2000 years. So the verse you cite from Romans 8:9 has NOTHING to do with baptism with the HS. Ephesians 4:4-5 there is ONE baptism in effect today and that is water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins that last till the end of the world (Matthew 28:19-20).

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--- "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" (2 Thessalonians 1:8)
Some observations about this verse:

--those who "obey not" will be in flaming fire, therefore salvation REQUIRES obedience to be saved, not faith only
--to be saved (not be in flaming fire) one must obey the gospel of Christ.

But one must first know what the gospel is before that can obey it.
--Paul said the gospel he preached was the death burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)

Since one must obey the gospel and the gospel is the death burial and resurrection of Christ, then how does one go about obeying those historical events?

Romans 6:3-7 when one is water baptized the old man of sin DIES, one is "BURIED" in a watery grave from which one is "RAISED UP FROM". So there is a death, burial and resurrection that takes place when one is water baptized, hence water baptism is HOW one goes about obeying the gospel of Christ per 2 Thessalonians 1:8. There is not a death, burial or resurrection that takes place with any Spirit baptism or with a 'sinner's prayer' or with faith only so these things are NOT how obeying the gospel is done.

 

[user]

No. I apply Acts 10:43 as it is plainly written for how we receive the remission of sins and that is by believing in Him and so discernment is needed about Acts 2:38 and I see by His grace & by His help, Peter said repent for the Jews that had crucified Jesus in UNBELIEF therefore it is by repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how they too had received the remission of sins.

And Mark 16:16 is referring to the baptism with the Holy Ghost that comes whenever any one believes in Him. You did note how it is by not believing is how they are not saved?

Acts 19:1-6 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

 

[post]

There are millions of them

hmm

like unbaptized altogether, or 'have been baptized but not properly baptized using the authentic methods!!' ?

& what's your definition of 'Christian' -- maybe mine is not as loose as yours?

 

[Christ4Me]

Acts 19:1-6 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

They were disciples of John the Baptist's and not believers in Jesus Christ. if they were believers in Jesus Christ, they would have been baptized in Jesus's name but they were not. That is why Paul told them that Jesus was the One John was preaching about. Then they believed in Him for why they got water baptized in His name.

 

[Christ4Me]

Nothing in the context says the Gentiles were saved prior to being water baptized for remission of sins.

Other than being born again of the Spirit which is the same as being saved. And that was before water baptism.