Christians are not under the New Covenant

[Moriah's Song]

Mat 15:8-9...'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'"

A person who may not have the ability to speak does not have to kneel, pray to a statue with rosary beads, or kiss the feet of a stone statue to be "worshiping" Mary or even a beautiful tapestry of a woman considered to be of "the biblical Mary"; it is what is in the heart and what their actions say. As the saying goes, "actions speak louder than words."

23 synonyms for "venerate"

• cherish
• esteem
• exalt
• hallow
• idolize
• admire
• adore
• apotheosize
• appreciate
• deify
• honor
• love
• regard
• respect
• reverence
• treasure
• value
• worship
• be in awe of
• hold in awe
• look up to
• put on a pedestal
• think highly of

 

[Illuminator]

I'm sorry, I was mistaken about that. I was under the impression that you had claimed that, based on other posters' comments. I should have checked more carefully.

However, you did say, "All love honor reverence or devotion given to Mary is given to God who created her, ...", and Deuteronomy 6:13 says "fear Yahweh your God", where the Hebrew word yare' that's translated as fear can also mean revere or reverence, and Jesus' quote of it is translated as worship. So you came close to saying worship Mary.

Yea, right. And every time a Protestant addresses his pastor as "reverend", he is worshipping his pastor, if you like to play silly word games. One stupid conclusion is as good as another.

 

[Moriah's Song]

if you like to play silly word games. One stupid conclusion is as good as another.

You are out of line. Just because someone does not agree with you it does not mean you have to call a persons post "stupid."

 

[face2face]

I’m not an expert on Israel or the OT

 

[face2face]

Based on your posts so far, you are not an expert on the NT either.

Ha Ha Ha.... made my day!

 

[keithr]

Yea, right. And every time a Protestant addresses his pastor as "reverend", he is worshipping his pastor, if you like to play silly word games. One stupid conclusion is as good as another.

I was just trying to be humorous - hence the winking smiley.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Further Quotes from Vatican Documents show the Papacy's belief in Papal Infallibility:
Source: John Treat, The Catholic faith, or, Doctrines of the Church of Rome contrary to Scripture (1888) : 536.

Just recently, in 2004, Bishop Patrick Dunn of Auckland said this:

"It seems that Pope John Paul II now presides over the universal Church from his place upon Christ's cross.iv​

The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this:

"But to believe that our Lord God the Pope the establisher of said decretal, and of this, could not decree, as he did decree, should be accounted heretical (emphasis added).v
​

In 1996 he also gave his ascent to calling the Pope "Lord" and "Christ on earth":
"we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for "the Lord Pope",the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called "sweet Christ on earth", the apostolic obedience and the sentire cum Ecclesia of Saint Ignatius Loyola, and the joyful profession of faith made by Saint Teresa of Avila: "I am a daughter of the Church" (emphases added).xi
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As a protestant, I have been to 4 churches and none of them wanted to be called "reverend." All four used the respectful term "pastor" because that is what they do for their congregation; they pastor (like a shepherd) is commanded by scripture.

That is a major difference between what the RCC calls the Pope (as in the above) than the protestant useage of the word "pastor."

It is true though that there are those who wish to have a superior title but they still do not consider themselves to be the "Christ on earth."

 

[theefaith]

Mat 15:8-9...'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'"

A person who may not have the ability to speak does not have to kneel, pray to a statue with rosary beads, or kiss the feet of a stone statue to be "worshiping" Mary or even a beautiful tapestry of a woman considered to be of "the biblical Mary"; it is what is in the heart and what their actions say. As the saying goes, "actions speak louder than words."

23 synonyms for "venerate"

• cherish
• esteem
• exalt
• hallow
• idolize
• admire
• adore
• apotheosize
• appreciate
• deify
• honor
• love
• regard
• respect
• reverence
• treasure
• value
• worship
• be in awe of
• hold in awe
• look up to
• put on a pedestal
• think highly of

Oh I agree!

we don’t do those things!

or any of these

• adore
• apotheosize
• deify
• worship

 

[Illuminator]

Further Quotes from Vatican Documents show the Papacy's belief in Papal Infallibility:
Source: John Treat, The Catholic faith, or, Doctrines of the Church of Rome contrary to Scripture (1888) : 536.

Just recently, in 2004, Bishop Patrick Dunn of Auckland said this:

"It seems that Pope John Paul II now presides over the universal Church from his place upon Christ's cross.iv​

The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this:

"But to believe that our Lord God the Pope the establisher of said decretal, and of this, could not decree, as he did decree, should be accounted heretical (emphasis added).v
​

In 1996 he also gave his ascent to calling the Pope "Lord" and "Christ on earth":
"we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for "the Lord Pope",the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called "sweet Christ on earth", the apostolic obedience and the sentire cum Ecclesia of Saint Ignatius Loyola, and the joyful profession of faith made by Saint Teresa of Avila: "I am a daughter of the Church" (emphases added).xi
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As a protestant, I have been to 4 churches and none of them wanted to be called "reverend." All four used the respectful term "pastor" because that is what they do for their congregation; they pastor (like a shepherd) is commanded by scripture.

That is a major difference between what the RCC calls the Pope (as in the above) than the protestant useage of the word "pastor."

It is true though that there are those who wish to have a superior title but they still do not consider themselves to be the "Christ on earth."

good bye.

 

[Illuminator]

POPE AS “GOD” OR “ANTICHRIST”
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Debate: The Anti-Catholic “Pope as God” Argument [1-1-99]
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Popes Claimed to be God? / Pope as Antichrist (vs. Calvin #23) [6-30-09]
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What Year Did Popes Become Antichrist? (vs. John Calvin) [3-11-10]
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Pope St. Pius V Claimed to be God (Say Anti-Catholics) [2-11-11]
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Did a Bishop Say Pope St. John Paul II was God? [2-11-11]

“Pope is God”? Similar Rhetoric from Luther & Bullinger [2-24-11]

 

[amigo de christo]

POPE AS “GOD” OR “ANTICHRIST”
*
Debate: The Anti-Catholic “Pope as God” Argument [1-1-99]
*
Popes Claimed to be God? / Pope as Antichrist (vs. Calvin #23) [6-30-09]
*
What Year Did Popes Become Antichrist? (vs. John Calvin) [3-11-10]
*
Pope St. Pius V Claimed to be God (Say Anti-Catholics) [2-11-11]
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Did a Bishop Say Pope St. John Paul II was God? [2-11-11]

“Pope is God”? Similar Rhetoric from Luther & Bullinger [2-24-11]

IF this pope truly did follow the JESUS CHRIST he claims to , well he would not be hollering
nor believing that all religoins serve the same GOD . He is decieving the peoples badly .
He uses the name of JESUS but he teaches another jesus and another gospel .

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh I agree!

we don’t do those things!

or any of these

• adore
• apotheosize
• deify
• worship

Hello thee faith . What do you have to say about this pope francis . Follow that man , NEVER .

 

[theefaith]

good bye.

Isa 22:21-22 and Matt 16:18-19

 

[theefaith]

Hello thee faith . What do you have to say about this pope francis . Follow that man , NEVER .

If his teaching and practice is the ancient faith and practice of the apostles then yes of not no!

 

[amigo de christo]

If his teaching and practice is the ancient faith and practice of the apostles then yes of not no!

That wasnt what you told me a while back . You know what he believes .
So either you lied to me , or you are scared to speak . either way its not good to do that .
Lambs would warn lambs about danger . But this generation is too worried about trying to find common ground .

 

[Marvelloustime]

IF this pope truly did follow the JESUS CHRIST he claims to , well he would not be hollering
nor believing that all religoins serve the same GOD . He is decieving the peoples badly .
He uses the name of JESUS but he teaches another jesus and another gospel .

That is right, my dear brother. We must warn against pope francis and just pray this man repents and turns to the biblical Lord Jesus. Until he does, stay away from this pope’s teachings. I am getting some fencing done for my back garden shortly. It will have concrete posts. So all welcome to come watch concrete cure instead of listening to this pope francis.

 

[theefaith]

That wasnt what you told me a while back . You know what he believes .
So either you lied to me , or you are scared to speak . either way its not good to do that .
Lambs would warn lambs about danger . But this generation is too worried about trying to find common ground .

I said I have my doubts
But it’s based on his teaching

 

[theefaith]

Mat 15:8-9...'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'"

A person who may not have the ability to speak does not have to kneel, pray to a statue with rosary beads, or kiss the feet of a stone statue to be "worshiping" Mary or even a beautiful tapestry of a woman considered to be of "the biblical Mary"; it is what is in the heart and what their actions say. As the saying goes, "actions speak louder than words."

23 synonyms for "venerate"

• cherish
• esteem
• exalt
• hallow
• idolize
• admire
• adore
• apotheosize
• appreciate
• deify
• honor
• love
• regard
• respect
• reverence
• treasure
• value
• worship
• be in awe of
• hold in awe
• look up to
• put on a pedestal
• think highly of

even the prophet David love Mary!

Psalm 26:8
Lord, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth.

that’s Mary for 9 months the temple of God!

And the temple deserves reverence!

Mary is the singular vessel of devotion!
love and prayer

Isaiah 56:7
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Matthew 21:13
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer…

 

[Moriah's Song]

Some peoples hermenutics iare like tying spaghetti to an achor and dropping it into the ocean and expecting it to hold a cruise ship!

 

[theefaith]

Some peoples hermenutics is like tying spaghetti to an achor and dropping it into the ocean and expecting it to hold a cruise ship!

All scripture is inspired says nothing about hermeneutics!

or context!

You reject Christ and his church and the apostolic tradition founded by Christ the teaching authority of the apostles!

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, andspeak face to face, that our joy may be full.