Christians are not under the New Covenant

[Ronald Nolette]

Did I not quote Col. 1:20? I guess it takes another verse....

Luk 2:14.."Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men with whom he is pleased!"

Col 1:20...and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.​

So you believe in universal salvation then? A dispensationalist who takes a literal hermeneutic knows that Jesus did not reconcile every single person to himself. We look at the language!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Your only two constantly repeated over-and-over-and-over-and-over-again OT prophets of Ezekiel and Jeremiah reveals that those are all you have to use for dispensationalism.

Well as Jeremiah 31:31-34 is the entire New Covenant declared by God, yes, I constantly repeat it and ask you to show me when the covenant as declared by God which is only found in Jeremiah 31:31-34 has been fulfilled.

You have provided lots of verses and commentators making declarations, but you have yet to take Jeremiah 31 and actually show when those words of the New covenant were fulfilled as written. You have spiritualized them, allegorized them and even danced around them but you have to show verse by verse where in Scripture they were fulfilled. Here they are again:

Jeremiah 31:31-34
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

See verses 31 and 32 are saying He will make a new covenant with Jewish people and the reason why.

Verses 33 and 34 are the content of what will happen when the covenant goes into effect.

What I want to know form you is why words like every, all, least to the greatest ( an idiom), do not mean what we all normally understand them to mean. You keep going back to Pentecost and say that fulfills this.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This kind of talk only reflects on you not me.

You have no idea what "avenues of my life" I use but it is certainly not the avenue you take in interpreting scripture that's for sure.

No I don't, but I do know you read things in a literal fashoin and listen to things in a literal fashion. I don't think you try to retranslate the newspaper or news broadcasts.

so for the quote above- I should not take your words as meaning wha tthey "normally-usually" mean? So in reality then no one knows what you are trying to say then if that is what you really believe.

If you reject literalism, why do you take my words at their normal usual meanings then?

 

[Moriah's Song]

but I would like to apologize to you and all on this thread.

I called you ignorant and a first grader because of your lack of knowledge as to what a dispensational hermeneutic actually believes.

verifying if it is true or not- that is simply vomiting out something!

Your apologies are meaningless evidently based on what you continue to post.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus Himself said in Scripture He will sit on Davids throne and HE IS NOW SITTING ON DAVID'S THRONE IN HEAVEN!!!

So show from Scripture where Davids throne has been transferred to heaven, and I will believe you are merely reporting and not editorializing

 

[Moriah's Song]

So you believe in universal salvation then? A dispensationalist who takes a literal hermeneutic knows that Jesus did not reconcile every single person to himself. We look at the language!

You consistently misquote scripture after scripture line Luke and Colossians to the point it is useless to try and discuss anything with you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Holy Spirit indwells all those born again, their sins are forgiven, and the fruit of the Holy Spirit manifests in them, and they have a personal relationship with God because the trinity is in them, Romans 8:9-11, and Gods law dwells in their heart, so His laws are written in their heart, which Jesus and Paul make clear is found in love, which fulfills all the law - al of which fulfills the new covenant promises.

I agree! but that is not what the new covenant says. It says that from the time the covenant goes in to effect, no Jew will have to teach another Jew to know the Lord for all Jews will know the Lord from the least to the greatest!

That is what is written.

 

[Moriah's Song]

So show from Scripture where Davids throne has been transferred to heaven, and I will believe you are merely reporting and not editorializing

Solomon fulfilled God's promise to keep the line of David moving along until the Messiah appeared to take seat on the Davidic throne in heaven.

2Ch 6:10...Now the LORD has fulfilled his promise which he made; for I [Solomon] have risen in the place of David my father, and sit on the throne of Israel, as the LORD promised, and I have built the house for the name of the LORD, the God of Israel.​

Jeremiah also reminds the readers that David's throne will continue on.

Jer 33:17..."For thus says the LORD: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel,​

The Christ came from the line of David and was entitled to sit on David's throne.

Mat 1:17...So all the generations from Abraham to David were fourteen generations, and from David to the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon to the Christ fourteen generations.​

This promise was an OT prophecy that guaranteed its fulfillment in Christ.

Luk 1:32...He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to [Jesus] the throne of his father David,​

Mat 2:2..."Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the East, and have come to worship him."​

Mat 27:29...and plaiting a crown of thorns they put it on his head, and put a reed in his right hand. And kneeling before him they mocked him, saying, "Hail, King of the Jews!"​

Heb 2:9...But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for every one.​

2Ti 2:8...Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descended from David, as preached in my gospel,​

Rev 3:21...He who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I myself conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.​

Rev 19:16...On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords.​

Rev 22:16..."I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star."

The offspring of David is Jesus sitting of the throne of David as prophesied.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Your apologies are meaningless evidently based on what you continue to post.

So be it. You seem to read my mind so that is that. I did what I knew I must. You are free to accept or reject it.

But remember you are the one standing here and accused me of preaching another Jesus thus saying I am unsaved.
YOu also are the one who through either not knowing or deliberately misrepresenting what dispensational hermeneutics are lied about what I teach and believe!

I guess that maybe because you reject literalism, you may not even know what I ma saying here. Am I meaning what I say or am I using allegories?

ONe thing you already know. I discuss intensely and passionately. I tend to not beat around the bush and go directly. I also do not mince words! If someone lies, I will say they lie!

In this day and age, that is not politically correct, but I care not a whit! We started civil, but if you bothered to go back you will see you were the first to throw the muck! Do not lie before God and pretend you are innocent. god you and I all know that is false. I am just blunt! and I don't try to read minds to see what may or may not offend peoples delicateness.

But after a time of your rudeness I used the principles found in Prov. 26:4-5

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You consistently misquote scripture after scripture line Luke and Colossians to the point it is useless to try and discuss anything with you.

Well do you believe Jesus reconciled all things to Himself or not? I did not make a declaration I asked you a question to find out from you!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

he offspring of David is Jesus sitting of the throne of David as prophesied.

Not one verse you posted shows Jesus sitting on Davids throne. That is your assumption.

But if you want I will gladly post teh dozens of passages that show Jesus reigns on earth for 1,000 years and that the throne of David is on earth in Jerusalem.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Not one verse you posted shows Jesus sitting on Davids throne. That is your assumption.

WELL SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!!

Don't waste my time. Your heart is hardened, your eyes have blindfolds on them and your ears are deafened.

 

[keithr]

WELL SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!!

Don't waste my time. Your heart is hardened, your eyes have blindfolds on them and your ears are deafened.

Please can we have more brotherly love? :) We are all imperfect, but we are all trying to learn the truth of God's word. If we disagree with other interpretations then we should try and explain why in a calm and friendly manner. Let's try and practice a more friendly way of communicating with our potential eternal brothers! I know it can be frustrating at times when others don't agree with us, but we don't have to turn nasty about it!

James 1:19-20 (WEB):

(19) So, then, my beloved brothers, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger;
(20) for the anger of man doesn’t produce the righteousness of God.​

1 John (WEB):

3:10) In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn’t do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn’t love his brother.​

4:20) If a man says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who doesn’t love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
4:21) This commandment we have from him, that he who loves God should also love his brother.​

 

[theefaith]

No, dispensationalism was not "REBORN" in the 19th century....it was "created" in the early 1800's. If you check out the better commentators prior to the 1800's you will not find the theory of "two distinct people of God" anywhere.

Jn 10;16 one shepherd one flock
One mediator there is no mediator of the mosaic covenant

Heb 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[keithr]

Jn 10;16 one shepherd one flock
One mediator there is no mediator of the mosaic covenant

Galatians 3:19 (WEB):

(19) Then why is there the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise has been made. It was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.​

Moses was the mediator of the Law Covenant.

 

[theefaith]

Do you have any evidence to support your antisemitic statements?

why is it antiemetic?

semitism is an ethnic thing not religious

Jews cannot hide behind that one anymore

Matt 23

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

they not only deny him but killed him

and daily commit blasphemy against him and his one true Catholic Church

All Jews, Muslims, heretics, apostates, and schismatics are outside the new covenant church!

 

[keithr]

why is it antiemetic?

semitism is an ethnic thing not religious

You wrote:

the Freemasons created the red menace of communism!

the Jews created the Freemasons!

Anti-Semitic means "prejudiced or hostile towards the Jews". You claimed, without any supporting evidence (and I could not find any), that the Jews created the Freemasons (which has been accused of Satanism - whether correct or not) and thereby the "menace of communism". They were anti-Jewish statements, and libelous.

 

[theefaith]

Galatians 3:19 (WEB):

(19) Then why is there the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise has been made. It was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.​

Moses was the mediator of the Law Covenant.

fulfilled in christ

 

[Ronald Nolette]

WELL SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!!

Don't waste my time. Your heart is hardened, your eyes have blindfolds on them and your ears are deafened.

Can't defend your position so you throw out ad-hominems. A very old tactic. Just like you have ssaid I don't know you- you are completely clueless about me. Instead of asking me questions, you have just made presumptious conclusions and so far you are batting near 0.

But if you show me anywhere in teh bible when the New Covenant as God wrote it has been fulfilled I have been willing to look. But not as you think or some commentator thinks, but as God declared the results of the covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Verse 31- with all Jews! by Jews I mean all twelve tribes. Not just giving them first preference or a representative. That is NOT what god said!

Verse32- It is different than the Old Covenant He made with the Jewish people as a nation. No Gentile nations were included in the Old Covenant.

Verse33- Shows the actual covenant- God WILL put His laws in Jews hearts (all Jews) and once again they will be His people and He will be their God. YOu yourself made a point they are not Gods people now.

Verse34- All Jews then will know the Lord! No one will need teaching for ALL will know Him and their sins will be forgiven.

Show me how it has been fuflilled as written and we can draw this to a close.

 

[theefaith]

Galatians 3:19 (WEB):

(19) Then why is there the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise has been made. It was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.​

Moses was the mediator of the Law Covenant.

moses was not anymore

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediatorbetween God and men, the man Christ Jesus;