Christians arent suppose to judge according to Jesus?

[Behold]

Thank you for sharing Behold.

Thank you for reading it, MatthewG

 

[Augustin56]

And what is evil that needs to be reported? @Augustin56

A family who has abusive father in the household?
A Family who has a son who does drugs in the background?

I mean... there is alot to consider, and I know I done my fair share of evil just by and through thoughts,

such as murdering my mother, hating others, wishing death upon them, and what not.

I have also done my own fair share of drugs, and abuse towards others.

1. It was only JEsus who ever changed anything.

Thank God for his mercy and how he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

MatthewG, it's not about "reporting" the evil to anyone else. It's about alerting the person engaged in evil that they are endangering their eternal soul. That is, by definition, an act of charity/love. What is an act of selfishness is to be silent in the face of their evil actions, and allow them to go to hell, because you don't want to "upset" them or have them, perhaps, "not like you." Love is not an emotion, but an act of the will. Love is willing the good of the other, as other, without any strings attached. You want their good, for them. Period.

 

[ChristisGod]

MatthewG, it's not about "reporting" the evil to anyone else. It's about alerting the person engaged in evil that they are endangering their eternal soul. That is, by definition, an act of charity/love. What is an act of selfishness is to be silent in the face of their evil actions, and allow the to go to hell, because you don't want to "upset" them or have them, perhaps, "not like you." Love is not an emotion, but an act of the will. Love is willing the good of the other, as other, without any strings attached. You want their good, for them. Period.

Amen

 

[MatthewG]

MatthewG, it's not about "reporting" the evil to anyone else. It's about alerting the person engaged in evil that they are endangering their eternal soul. That is, by definition, an act of charity/love. What is an act of selfishness is to be silent in the face of their evil actions, and allow them to go to hell, because you don't want to "upset" them or have them, perhaps, "not like you." Love is not an emotion, but an act of the will. Love is willing the good of the other, as other, without any strings attached. You want their good, for them. Period.

Its all about the subjecitve life you live and what you see and experience …

You can tell someone not to
Smoke meth but they can choose to do it anyway….


Good luck imma stay off here for awhile

 

[amigo de christo]

Ditto

Some folks here have made the SOCIAL gospel their gospel . As for the lambs we are sticking to what JESUS and the apostels taught .
IN ALL THINGS no matter what . A church left uncorrected is a church that will be leavened up to the full .
Satan knows that and its why he panders to emotions of men gone wrong so correction will be stopped
within churches and seen as being judgmental , and thus SIN TAKES OVER THE WHOLE CAMP . We gotta stick
to JESUS teachings and later the apostels . Too many are heeding this man humanity produced social gospel
of what it thinks is love . And that has destroyed many a soul and many a church .
IF we want the church healthy and edified , THEN PREACH all , ALLL biblical sound doctrine and follow THAT pattern .

 

[MatthewG]

Some people dont want you to but into their business either…

So it has to be spirit lead…

@Augustin56


Idc what anyone has to say about that


Obvious to seek out the best for people is an choice of the heart but you cant force or interject them to stop….

Just cause the bible say this or that


It got to be by the spirit and shairng the word with them

 

[MatthewG]

Everyone got some type of idolzzzz


Food, sex, rocknroll…

Best clean it out… ay who are we to judge when all i do the same things soemtimes.


The bible can be an idol as well,

Doctrines,

Tradtions of men.

 

[MatthewG]

May the spirit guide when the time is right to help a person out of a ditch,



Ay

 

[MatthewG]

See ya. Some
Other times my guys.

Always fun to be here for awhile.

But sowmtimes it can make ya sick

This my idol sowmtimes

 

[amigo de christo]

Most people get this "judging" thing wrong because they take things out of proper context, or worse, try to twist it to rationalize some sin. In my long experience, those who keep harping on the "judge not, lest ye be judged" are doing something wrong and don't want anyone to say anything about it.

The judging thing is about judging the culpability of souls. We aren't to do that. No one can do that but God.

We are, however, to be "fruit inspectors," i.e., to judge actions. And we are our brother's (and sister's) keepers, concerned about their souls.

See Ezekial 3:18-21.

If I say to the wicked, You shall surely die—and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade the wicked from their evil conduct in order to save their lives—then they shall die for their sin, but I will hold you responsible for their blood. If, however, you warn the wicked and they still do not turn from their wickedness and evil conduct, they shall die for their sin, but you shall save your life. But if the just turn away from their right conduct and do evil when I place a stumbling block before them, then they shall die. Since you did not warn them about their sin, they shall still die, and the just deeds that they performed will not be remembered on their behalf. I will, however, hold you responsible for their blood.

Sticking one's head in the sand in the face of someone we know doing evil or living evil has consequences. Harping on "Judge not" stuff will get you in trouble, unless you're talking about judging someone's soul vs someone's actions.

My friend , you hit it spot on right . Those who continually holler and preach this judge not
DO so for that very reason . They are in sin and dont want to hear about it , to be reminded about it
to be corrected about it . That is why so many fell in love with the judge not motto .
Which you rightly stated they have taken OUT of text big time .

 

[amigo de christo]

MatthewG, it's not about "reporting" the evil to anyone else. It's about alerting the person engaged in evil that they are endangering their eternal soul. That is, by definition, an act of charity/love. What is an act of selfishness is to be silent in the face of their evil actions, and allow them to go to hell, because you don't want to "upset" them or have them, perhaps, "not like you." Love is not an emotion, but an act of the will. Love is willing the good of the other, as other, without any strings attached. You want their good, for them. Period.

again , spot on right . Love is about doing all for the good , for the welfare of the other .
And as GOD corrects and chastens those he loves , SO TOO do the peoples correct those in error . We desire GOOD
for them . Love is not what many think it is at all . Agape love is something many have no idea .
Rather this sensual love from the world and of the world has taken root and IT contradicts GOD , TRUTH
and it sure aint LOVE . Charity rejoices in TRUTH . Not in sin , not in lies . IN TRUTH .
And paul , WHO had the love of GOD shed upon his heart reminded the very churches about this .
Love corrects . Love sure would correct . Notice many have no problem saying GOD is love
or CHRIST is love , and yet they sure dont follow THAT example at all .
Look at how often JESUS corrected , How often GOD corrected , how often the apostels corrected .
Their love wont correct anything . Rather it says JUDGE NOT to the few who do try and correct the church or erring memebers .

 

[Augustin56]

Its all about the subjecitve life you live and what you see and experience …

You can tell someone not to
Smoke meth but they can choose to do it anyway….


Good luck imma stay off here for awhile

Oh, it's not about forcing anyone to do or not do anything. It is about informing them about right and wrong. Once they are informed, your responsibility to God is over. It helps to be clever about how you inform them. Doing so charitably usually works better. But, in any case, something within us human beings happens when we hear objective truth. It resonates. Yes, some people still want to reject it, but it's there, accompanied by God's grace.

I have also found it more successful to pray for the person ahead of time, if can. Without a strong prayer life and connection to God, your efforts will not have the same effect. As the old saying goes, we go to God about man, before going to man about God. We have to have our spiritual house in order before trying to help others. Nimo dat quod non habet. That's Latin for, "We cannot give what we do not have." The faith is usually imparted rather than forced.

I recall the story of Malcolm Muggeridge, a famous British journalist, who had studied the faith thoroughly, but could never come to conversion. Then, one day, he was assigned to interview a then not-so-well known little nun, Mother Teresa of Calcutta. He only spoke with her about 10-15 minutes, and BAM! He converted! Why? Because she imparted the faith she had within her, to him! She had so emptied herself of self, that she became filled with Jesus.

 

[MatthewG]

well i need to get myself out there more in christ name and not just for myself but to inform and allow
Peope coMe by and lsiten



Im just down and irritated at the moment so, eh… people sowmtiems.


What cna you do though?

Give up on God?

Sure but thsts too easy.

Could pray like moses for your life to be taken, but alas your life is given to be taken an be iseful.


God bless, and if anything praise God for those he uses to bring tidings of good news

May the spirit guide

Amen @Augustin56

 

[MatthewG]

its a joy to read others the bible, but you also gotta teach it too,


Cause faith can get you into the gates


But idk how close to God we can get only to grow in spirit and love, and hope so, unless Paul is wrong about the outer resurrection.


Which is a resurrection better than just the nromal one.

 

[MatthewG]

Oh, it's not about forcing anyone to do or not do anything. It is about informing them about right and wrong. Once they are informed, your responsibility to God is over. It helps to be clever about how you inform them. Doing so charitably usually works better. But, in any case, something within us human beings happens when we hear objective truth. It resonates. Yes, some people still want to reject it, but it's there, accompanied by God's grace.

I have also found it more successful to pray for the person ahead of time, if can. Without a strong prayer life and connection to God, your efforts will not have the same effect. As the old saying goes, we go to God about man, before going to man about God. We have to have our spiritual house in order before trying to help others. Nimo dat quod non habet. That's Latin for, "We cannot give what we do not have." The faith is usually imparted rather than forced.

I recall the story of Malcolm Muggeridge, a famous British journalist, who had studied the faith thoroughly, but could never come to conversion. Then, one day, he was assigned to interview a then not-so-well known little nun, Mother Teresa of Calcutta. He only spoke with her about 10-15 minutes, and BAM! He converted! Why? Because she imparted the faith she had within her, to him! She had so emptied herself of self, that she became filled with Jesus.

Well

Maybe

 

[Jack]

Christians are certainly to defend the Bible against Liberals and Kingdom Hall Bible twisters!

2 Timothy 4
2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

 

[dev553344]

Can you elaborate, on what you are quoting, @Rockerduck?

Is Jesus wrong, when he says to not judge others?

That passage he quoted reflects judging things not people. Yes we are not to judge lest we be found as hypocrites and without mercy.

 

[dev553344]

I often I find that when I judge or discern someone that I see the same "type" of sin in my own behaviors. So I find it to be true that when I judge I am also judged by God. I think it is best not to judge people as Jesus instructs. But we should judge their behaviors and see if we are also committing those behaviors. We can judge that which is evil and that which is good.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

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False. Look at verse 5. It says first remove the log (sins, errors faults) out of your own eye (life) and THEN you can go and cast out the speck out of your brother's eye. Remember 2 Tim. 3:16-17
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
Reproof and correction can only be done when we see and identify sin or faults in others - that requires judgment. The Holy Spirit directly and through anointed Pastors, trains us in righteousness by showing us what is wrong in our lives. Sometimes we fail to see our own faults, we like to think more highly of ourselves and readily excuse our own sinful behavior. But when we see someone else do the same thing, we attack them. That is what the Bible calls a hypocrite. So we need outside correction from mature Christians. Still some fail to look at themselves, refuse correction from others, insist they are right and rationalize through it, while in denial and excusing themselves. We call people like that above reproach. It's pride that remains, the lack of transparency, the lack of humility to say, opps, I was wrong and thank you for your correction. We see a lot of that on this forum.
So Jesus does give us permission to judge, after we look in the mirror and clean up our own lives first. Obviously, this should not be attempted by new believers , who typically get puffed up and start pointing their holy fingers at everyone before they do a complete and honest self examinatiin of their sins and stop them. We are to die to sin. That doesn't happen instantly. We are spiritually cleansed instantly; but then there is still sin that dwells in the members of our the fleshly old self that lifts it's ugly head up and backsides into old ways, ways that the person did not really agree to give up. Initially the believer bargained with Jesus, gave up a part of their sin; but really did not surrender all. That's called compromise. Later you realize you have to give up all. Many aren't fully on board, committed to change, they prefer to ease into it gradually ... "Nah, I still need to have this and do that ..." They don't realize it's sin and make excuses, " I'm not hurting anyone" ... "that's really sin is it, come one?" People have secret sins, yet show up in Church with a big holy smile, speak Christianese all day long and when no one is watching, pornography or gambling, gossiping, hating, even stealing. There was an accountant of our Mega-Church who after years, finally confessed to stealing $5k/month. She took the tithes in, hundreds of thousands so who's gonna miss a few grand she thought. Temptation was too much. Policemen confiscant millions or drug money, how tempting is that to grab some for yourself? No one is looking they think and can get away with it.
God is looking. A fellow police officer sees it. Shouldn't he convict that person, and turn him in? Yes.
This job of judging others, which is likened to iron that sharpens iron, is more for the Pastor, the elders, mature Christians who are transparent, humble and also willing to receive correction. They have gone through much self discipleship. They are a living sacrifice. They relinquished all their old ways, not just some of them.
How could anyone point out sin in anyone's life, speak of it, discuss it, correct it, unless we are allowed to judge?

 

[Wrangler]

Is Jesus wrong, when he says to not judge others?

Horrible translation. You'd be so better off reading a translation written since you were born.